SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 9

henslaved · 02/27/09, 12:37 PM

This is an undoubtedly simple question requiring only a simple answer, but since it pertains solely to the OP I'll ask it here. When you post Scale Factors I'm presuming that those are 'stat weights' for the varying specs? I ask only because 'Scale' makes me immediately think of 'scaling' with more of each stat.

• Zakalwe · 02/27/09, 12:51 PM

The scale factors indicate how much DPS each point of a given stat provides. So yes, they are used as "stat weights" when picking gear.

Drison · 02/27/09, 1:14 PM

I would really love to see some simcrafts on a 31/0/40 type spec. I just cant believe that our best scaling spell SB having SnF and SM wont be competitive. In a 31/0/40 spec you can get imp CoA imp Corr imp lifetap and SE as well. You can get or avoid emberstorm as well but it may be better to get it as that will boost immo and RoF for better aoe. The biggest weakness of this spec is no pet dmg boosting talents. So the question is can all the personal dmg boosting talents we get off set the lack of pet dmg boosting talents? Also would the succubus be better then the imp in this spec?

Cobalt027 · 02/27/09, 1:44 PM

Please delete. Incorrect link.

Eeks · 02/27/09, 2:58 PM

Hey Zak,

Is there anyway you can post scaling for hit as well?

xaoc. · 02/27/09, 3:00 PM

0/40/31,0/41/30 specs and their variations.

In regards to mana feed, for the felguard it is basically required, but for the imp I don't know. Sometimes it is fine, others it isn't. I guess my only concern right now is Molten Core uptime which is so vital to the damage, is 3/3 MC better than the other options? (ie: 2% more crit, demonic empowerment, mana feed options)

Also torn between the felguard and imp, felguard does more damage but needs more looking after. Still hoping some deep destro will sweep in and outpace, but with decimate that wont be happening.

ps: meta spec decimate soulfires over 20k are fun to watch.

trangoul · 02/27/09, 3:35 PM

Sims are looking nice. In reference to 0/40/31 how does the lifetap glyph stack up against the imp glyph?

And also, in reference to simcraft, is there an expected downloadable update in the near future (I dont have software to recompile) or can anyone send me a PM with the link so I can run some sims with unusual specs to see how they line up and if I find anything that is worthwhile I could post it?

dedmonwakeen · 02/27/09, 4:15 PM

I was holding off on a new release until the more of the other classes got their 3.1 updates...... If that hasn't happened by the end of the weekend, I'll put something out for download.

henslaved · 02/27/09, 4:18 PM

In regards to your 41/30 Sim, this would seem to be superior in my experience.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9626

Would you mind trying it, or has this been suggested?

LockApologist · 02/27/09, 4:41 PM

warlock=Warlock_T8_54_00_17
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

The 54/0/17 spec links to a 52/0/19 spec. Is that intended?

Naforce · 02/27/09, 5:27 PM

A spec like 0/50/21 would not be all bad either. Imp out, a ton of fire damage, very useful for the raid with the +300 or so spell power buff, lots of crits doing a ton of damage, imp doing about 600(or more?) raid buffed dps. Firestone on of course, soul fires whenever decimation procs.

How would that compare to the other specs in simcraft? I may not have glyphed correctly. Also, this specs suggests that you have reached hit cap and are in no need for hit talents.

nuibank · 02/27/09, 5:43 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

A spec like 0/50/21 would not be all bad either. Imp out, a ton of fire damage, very useful for the raid with the +300 or so spell power buff, lots of crits doing a ton of damage, imp doing about 600(or more?) raid buffed dps. Firestone on of course, soul fires whenever decimation procs.

How would that compare to the other specs in simcraft? I may not have glyphed correctly. Also, this specs suggests that you have reached hit cap and are in no need for hit talents.

A raid buffed felguard will do much more damage than an Imp. There is no reason to go that far into demo and skip the felguard.

Drison · 02/27/09, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

A spec like 0/50/21 would not be all bad either. Imp out, a ton of fire damage, very useful for the raid with the +300 or so spell power buff, lots of crits doing a ton of damage, imp doing about 600(or more?) raid buffed dps. Firestone on of course, soul fires whenever decimation procs.

How would that compare to the other specs in simcraft? I may not have glyphed correctly. Also, this specs suggests that you have reached hit cap and are in no need for hit talents.

The felguard will do 1100 dps alone raid buffed so you lose 500dps just for using the imp right off the bat. I believe early sim craft showed meta is better then devastation on live but in 3.1 you get the talent to lower the meta cooldown plus the glyph to make meta last longer i see no reason to take devastation over meta now.

Naforce · 02/27/09, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by Drison

The felguard will do 1100 dps alone raid buffed so you lose 500dps just for using the imp right off the bat. I believe early sim craft showed meta is better then devastation on live but in 3.1 you get the talent to lower the meta cooldown plus the glyph to make meta last longer i see no reason to take devastation over meta now.

The imp does however give you 5% crit rating, and is a more versatile pet since it can attack from range.
Also, speccing FG takes that one very important point away from you. I'm just not sure of how good the metamorphisis actually is, specially the glyph. I highly doubt the glyph's worth compared to the other glyphs.
The 0/56/15 spec should do great dps and function well for the raid, I guess you are correct. The creator of the topic should consider taking 1 point from master summoner and putting it in mana feed, since mana feed is a dps buff whilst master summoner isn't (unless you don't know your pet good enough). This goes for all specs having 2p master summoner and 0p mana feed.

Also, in the detailed breakdown, all specs follow "actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/spell_stone/" pattern. Won't most specs have more use of firestone? Or is the massive amount of haste just plain better then +4% direct damage and the crit rating? I know that haste > crit but the direct damage seems very useful.

nuibank · 02/27/09, 6:06 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

Also, speccing FG takes that one very important point away from you.

In the spec you provided there are a number of places that point could be take from that dont even come close to comparing to the single point benefit of the felguard.