SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 91

Evidicus · 12/02/09, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by Woony

From what i've heard, the imp does outdps the Felguard in Heroics for example, but in a 25 man raid with full meele buffs & debuffs the Felguard does more dps than the imp.

True, provided you manage to keep the Felguard alive. Even with Fel Domination, if you have to summon a new one during the fight the pet buffs you've lost will really hurt your DPS. I haven't heard much about how "pet friendly" Icecrown encounters are yet, but working to keep your Felguard alive means time spent on active pet management. Time spent there is time not spent on casting and moving and focused on your own DPS.

The benefit of the Imp is that he is essentially a fire and forget pet in most situations (relative to a Felguard at least). With the buffs the Imp is getting, he may be worth the tradeoff if it means less distraction for you and you manage to keep him alive for the whole fight.

I think the real concern for a Imp based Demo build is the lack of ISB, which may or may not be an issue if you aren't the only Warlock in your raid or if your Mages haven't realized yet that Scorch is a DPS loss for them.

~Thalia~ · 12/02/09, 9:51 AM

The felguard is mostly fire and forget too on everything but a few fights. The only ones that come to mind where keeping it alive is\was *difficult* are : Sartharion 3D, Yogg-saron P2 (just put him on corruptors and constrictors), Northrend beats (worm phase if your tank pathing force him to stay in the poison). Mimiron HM was a real pain though, but your imp would have suffered too.
That said, I don't know what ICC fights will look like. What hurts Demonology dps the most is not your pet diying, it's fights where you get buffs and your pet don't (Thaddius, Horreb, Hodir, Vezaxx, Twins)

Scrufola · 12/03/09, 8:01 AM

With patch 3.3, according to the current SimulationCraft output, the meta spec will still be about 400-600 dps behind affliction or destruction. But I think the following is interesting:

When I run SimulationCraft (rev 4047 with patch=3.3.0) with optimal raid I get the following DPS.

DPS Ranking:
  40237 100.0%  Raid
  10375  25.8%  Warlock_T9_55_00_16
  10114  25.1%  Warlock_T9_03_13_55
  10104  25.1%  Warlock_T9_00_13_58
   9694  24.1%  Warlock_T9_00_56_15

After removing the Demonic Pact warlock from the run (SimulationCraft defaults to ToW if no Demonic Pact warlock is in the raid) I get the following numbers:

DPS Ranking:
  29482 100.0%  Raid
  10032  34.0%  Warlock_T9_55_00_16
   9765  33.1%  Warlock_T9_03_13_55
   9720  32.9%  Warlock_T9_00_13_58

The damage of destruction warlock with no Demonic Pact warlock in the raid is about the same as the damage of a Demoic Pact itself.

There is no longer a "tax" you pay to boost your raid. You will just boost all other casters for free (but not yourself above what your output would be if you would play destruction).

Edit: I've used patch=3.3.0 in Simulationcraft

Originally Posted by Amonette

Not to mention the mage set is identical to ours on every stat. Can these still be placeholders at this late stage?

The head is not according to mmo-champion:

Dark Coven Hood - Items - Sigrie
Bloodmage Hood - Items - Sigrie

Alkii · 12/03/09, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by Scrufola

The damage of destruction warlock with no Demonic Pact warlock in the raid is about the same as the damage of a Demoic Pact itself.

There is no longer a "tax" you pay to boost your raid. You will just boost all other casters for free (but not yourself above what your output would be if you would play destruction).

I noticed this same thing as well while testing on PTR with both dummies and raids. I noticed Affliction being a little lower than I expected on some of the encounters bringing them all within about 100 DPS of each other. Again, this was only from personal testing and is not to be taken as hard evidence of where Locks stand in 3.3.

I'm not sure if this has been brought up and I can't seem to find it anywhere, but is the SIM taking into account the 5% personal increase from Demonic Pact or am I missing something?

dedmonwakeen · 12/03/09, 9:22 PM

Originally Posted by Alkii

I'm not sure if this has been brought up and I can't seem to find it anywhere, but is the SIM taking into account the 5% personal increase from Demonic Pact or am I missing something?

Yes, but only when patch=3.3.0

Shelak · 12/05/09, 8:01 PM

Originally Posted by lilsteele

@Lordobsidian

Nice result. I discussed the same spec elsewhere yesterday, though I didn't consider taking the next step and drop that point in backlash to get one more point in unholy power.

Anyways, here are my results with the "strong imp spec" (Profiler - Wowhead) for 3.2 and 3.3 mechanics, using simcraft v322.7:

I calculated the scale factors to see if one of the specs will scale better (3.3 mechanics, 10k iterations), but there is no clear trend:

Itemization and loosing the 2pc T9 bonus will probably work in favor of the ISL spec for Icecrown gear.

Hope you find this useful.

How close are those numbers compared to current fights? I´m only close to 7k so I wonder if those numbers above are really archievable.

dedmonwakeen · 12/06/09, 6:26 PM

Any questions/comments related to specific SimC output need to also include a reference to the Warlock profile driving the sim.

In the future I'll make sure that the GUI drops a complete profile. For now, please include an Armory/Wowhead link.

Most questions are in the area of scale factors. If you are uncertain about the results for a couple stats, the easiest thing to do is to plot that stat. (with scale factor gen off to speed things up)

Alternatively, run the sim once without scale factors or plotting to get a simple baseline (use 10k iterations). Then run it a second time, increasing one stat by ~100. The easiest way to do this is to simply put enchant_STATNAME on the cmd line.

Kurrem: In your case, you can plot SP and Haste. Or you can put enchant_haste_rating=100 on the command line and compare the baseline results tab against the +100 haste tab. Look for tick counts and cast counts, etc.

Warlocomotif · 12/06/09, 6:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kurremkarmerruk

Hello,
I have just started using the simcraft software, trying to learn how to use it primarily for obtaining scaling factors. I am using the GUI, so it should be pretty straightforward to set up, but I keep getting scaling factors that tell me that haste is better than spell power. I am pretty sure that cannot be correct, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Here are the scaling factors I'm getting:

Sta Int Spi SP Hit Crit Haste
Scale Factors 0.0000 0.2771 0.8690 1.3900 0.6616 0.7603 1.5915

For the record, I have 387 haste unbuffed, which I don't think is terribly low.

Having any amount of any stat increases the value of the other stats.

For example: You cast 100 spells and you crit 0 of them, which results in "100%" damage. If you get 5% haste then that means you just 5 extra spells. Now lets say you cast 100 spells and crit 20% of them, if you add 5% haste then you'll get 5 extra spell casts, however on average 1 of them will also crit now. Result? The value of haste is 20% higher now because you gained 20% crit.

This is a very over simplified example, in the real world it's not entirely as simple, but the general principle still holds true; the more you have of stat x, the more valueable stat y and z become.

You have quite a lot of spellpower and spirit, and a fairly healthy amount of crit- however you have vvery little haste. Result: Haste becomes very valueable relative to your other stats.

scaffold · 12/06/09, 9:33 PM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

Most questions are in the area of scale factors. If you are uncertain about the results for a couple stats, the easiest thing to do is to plot that stat. (with scale factor gen off to speed things up)

While we are at the topic of plotting - I downloaded the latest GUI simcraft a few days ago and immediately noticed that my haste scaling went from ~1.0 to ~0,7 compared to the release I downloaded a few weeks earlier. Pretty drastic change.
But what's even more puzzling is the haste scaling curve. At -20, 0 and +60 it has exactly the same value. Is it the patchwerk style fight and the rotation side effect? How can a 80 haste gain equal zero DPS increase?

dedmonwakeen · 12/06/09, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by scaffold

While we are at the topic of plotting - I downloaded the latest GUI simcraft a few days ago and immediately noticed that my haste scaling went from ~1.0 to ~0,7 compared to the release I downloaded a few weeks earlier. Pretty drastic change.
But what's even more puzzling is the haste scaling curve. At -20, 0 and +60 it has exactly the same value. Is it the patchwerk style fight and the rotation side effect? How can a 80 haste gain equal zero DPS increase?

The biggest change was to make strict_gcd_queue=1 the default behavior which does not allow queuing when cast_time+queue_lag is less than gcd+gcd_lag. It essentially lowers the haste cap. It was hidden among the release notes (RecentUpdates) and I should have made it more obvious.

The "flat spot" on the haste curve could be due to the fact that the "Latency = Low" option makes for VERY low lag values. Low lag values do not give RNG enough room to smooth out the edge-conditions that occur when managing CD and DoT-refresh conflicts. An undocumented feature is to vary the fight length by a specified percentage: Put vary_combat_length=0.10 in Overrides and the sim will do a spectrum +/- 5% of the given fight length.

Try some experiments and if you still feel SimC is behaving contrary to your intuition, please feel free to open an Issue. (with a link to your profile!)

Evyle · 12/07/09, 3:38 PM

Would it be possible to inclue the stat weights on the front page post as they have been in the past. It would be more accurate for me to run the sim myself, but my free time to read and learn from these message boards is often at work during break (and I can't install anything on to the work computers).

Jaradakar · 12/08/09, 3:35 AM

Originally Posted by Casstor

The 0/56/15_MC build still appears to not be using Quick Decay. Did someone else find that using this glyph over meta did not increase dps?

Originally Posted by Warlocomotif

Most people who tried it found it be a DPS increase, its just not been updated on the first page yet.

So I'm thinking of going back to demo 00/56/15 spec.

What are the most optimal Glyphs for this spec?

Felguard?
Metamorphosis?
Quick Decay?
Life Tap?

Personally I hate the life tap glyph -- forced to LT every 40s just does not feel optimal to me. I'd rather avoid it, if the dps difference is fairly minor.

Hence I'm hoping the answer is Felguard, Meta and Quick Decay.

Mystearica · 12/08/09, 3:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jaradakar

So I'm thinking of going back to demo 00/56/15 spec.

What are the most optimal Glyphs for this spec?

Felguard?
Metamorphosis?
Quick Decay?
Life Tap?

Personally I hate the life tap glyph -- forced to LT every 40s just does not feel optimal to me. I'd rather avoid it, if the dps difference is fairly minor.

Hence I'm hoping the answer is Felguard, Meta and Quick Decay.

If Quick Decay is indeed better than Meta - FG, QD, LT.

You forget that GoLT now works with Demonic Pact, the only reason to be 0/56/15.

~Thalia~ · 12/08/09, 4:15 AM

The issues have been discussed in the demonology thread.

Glyph of quick decay turns out to be slightly superior than glyph of meta, glyph of felguard and glyph of life tap are not to be replaced.

I've been running Demonic empowerement vs Improved demonic tactics 3/3 too, and DE is the winner by a small margin.

Maybe the OP could be updated on these points.

RagingRaven · 12/08/09, 6:42 AM

Originally Posted by ~Thalia~

The issues have been discussed in the demonology thread.

Glyph of quick decay turns out to be slightly superior than glyph of meta, glyph of felguard and glyph of life tap are not to be replaced.

I've been running Demonic empowerement vs Improved demonic tactics 3/3 too, and DE is the winner by a small margin.

Maybe the OP could be updated on these points.

I think it maybe a good idea to update the OP overall, there has been quite a few changes that haven't been updated on the OP yet, like the Glyph of Quick Decay, the "Strong imp spec" and if possible the T10 gear/bonusses.
And as somebody asked before me:

Originally Posted by Evyle

Would it be possible to inclue the stat weights on the front page post as they have been in the past. It would be more accurate for me to run the sim myself, but my free time to read and learn from these message boards is often at work during break (and I can't install anything on to the work computers).

If this is possible I, and I think a lot of other people, would be very gratefull, as it helps in choosing a (new) spec for 3.3 even though it seems they are all so close to eachother now that it will probably come down to personal preference.

P.S.

Originally Posted by Larynda

Whats about "Enchant Weapon - Black Magic"?

"This enchantment now sometimes increases haste rating for the caster rather than inflicting the caster’s target with a
damage-over-time effect. It is also now triggered by landing any harmful spell rather than inflicting damage with a spell.

Is this enchant better then the spellpower enchant?

I think it's still worse than the spellpower enchant seeing as spellpower has a higher value than haste, but I guess it depends on the amount of haste and the amount of times it procs.
Can anybody confirm it is still worse ?

• Zakalwe · 12/08/09, 6:55 AM

The OP has already been updated with Quick Decay, but I've been planning a big update/cleanup as soon as 3.3 hit - so either today or tomorrow, depending on when I can find the time.

Cherri · 12/08/09, 6:55 AM

Its still worse on paper for all warlock specs, but I can't imagine a reason to why not just start the fight with black magic enchanted weapon, wait the proc, then change for SP enchanted weapon.

Innulock · 12/08/09, 7:14 PM

Speaking of Dark Pact, follow me just for a min here

1) low(-er then we are used to) amounts of spirit on IC gear

2) not so good spirit scaling for affliction (which seems to become the new top dps spec, certainly with T10 set boni)

3) imp. felhunter regens a lot of mana, together with raid buffs I guesstimate it to be enough for keeping the felpups mana bar all fresh and blue

Might Dark Pact become a viable (possibly even dps increasing) alternative to LT? I know it costs a talent point in a
spec where a lot of talents that high up in the tree are vital, but you could loose the two points in imp LT right and tbh, I'm not sure how much dps that one point in cataclysm is worth.

Keep in mind that with lower spirit, LT will give less mana + affliction loves haste, which will undoubtably lead to ever increasing mana usage. Low spirit might thus limit the usefullness of haste if you keep using LT.

Obvious downside is the dependence on a living pet, but it's not like you can't life tap anymore when your pet bites the dust. On the other hand there is the lack of hp-loss (i know it's not really a problem for affliction anyway with all the self healing n stuff, but still).

I currently dont have the resources to do some sims, but i hope someone might be interested enough to investigate the Dark Pact alternative.

realCool · 12/09/09, 5:56 AM

Does somebody know the exact value of this "chance"? I suppose it is not 100% so that you could switch Life Tap with Dark Pact entirely?

Mogwai-AW · 12/10/09, 10:34 AM

It seems Glyph of Lifetap got changed for live. It now states:

Use: When you use Life Tap or Dark Pact, you gain 20% of your Spirit as spell power for 40 sec.

There is no chance anymore, it always procs with Dark Pact. My only problem so far has been when I've wanted to DP and the felhunter was out of range.

Jenren22 · 12/10/09, 11:16 AM

But surely you can just use life tap when that's the case? Overall you are still winning on overall mana back and less health lost, but for fights where your pet is out of range you can just use normal life tap. Of course not taking the talent does mean you won't get as much mana back, it depends how much you have to rely on which. If you find you do have to rely on life tap more due to range issues then it may be speccing and using life tap my be worth it in the long run.

thetrueavatar · 12/10/09, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mogwai-AW

It seems Glyph of Lifetap got changed for live. It now states:

There is no chance anymore, it always procs with Dark Pact. My only problem so far has been when I've wanted to DP and the felhunter was out of range.

What's the range of the dark pact ? Usually your pet is next to the boss so I don't see how you could be far from him.
DP is interesting cause we often say to LT while moving but that can be risky. Indeed sometimes we move out of flame on the ground.
If really you are too far then you could simply LT.
I have run simcraft 322-12 with LT Vs DP and it give roughly the same amont of mana gained.
However you'll have to transfer the point from cataclysm to dark pact which result of a very small dps loss(5-10dps).
The advantage however is that it costs only 1 point while Improve LT cost 2. You could swith those 2 points in ids to reduce threat or in fel concentration to avoir interrupt during drain soul phase.

texhex · 12/10/09, 4:19 PM

I'm having a tough time believing these numbers.

In my current gear simcqt results in 00_56_15 out dpsing 00_13_58 by 206 dps.

These where made using the profiles below which are based from my current gear and the default options in simc-330-1-win32 with the exception of Iterations=10,000

00_56_15
Profiler - Wowhead

00_13_58
Profiler - Wowhead

It may be that my gear is currently better suited for the Meta/Ruin spec but in testing in game 00/13/58 is substantially higher.

00_56_15

DPS Ranking:
   8538 100.0%  Raid
   8541  100.0%  Texhex05615

Player: Texhex05615 human warlock demonology 80
  DPS: 8540.7  Error=3.1  Range=544  DPR=25.1  RPS=340.8/294.9  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=18939970
  Core Stats:  strength=309|59(0)  agility=318|67(0)  stamina=1709|1225(1025)  intellect=1374|1145(986)  spirit=608|425(248)  health=24086|19596  mana=24795|21257
  Spell Stats:  power=4066|2623(2623)  hit=13.46%|13.46%(353)  crit=36.58%|30.21%(534)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=40.57%|22.66%(743)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1174|49(0)  hit=10.77%|10.77%(353)  crit=25.58%|15.58%(534)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=60.66%|22.66%(743)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2697|2195(2061)  blockv=155|30(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: felguard/quick_decay/life_tap/curse_of_exhaustion/drain_soul/kilrogg
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard
    snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
    demonic_empowerment/life_tap,trigger=14000,health_percentage>=35,metamorphosis=0
    metamorphosis/immolation/corruption/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90
    curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=28/immolate/soul_fire,decimation=1
    incinerate,molten_core=1/shadow_bolt
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption             Count= 37.7|13.32sec  DPE=  8829| 8%  DPET=  7653  DPR=  16.4  pDPS= 667  Miss=0.54%  TickCount=223  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1497|1393|1778
    curse_of_agony         Count=  1.6|24.75sec  DPE=  8515| 0%  DPET=  7483  DPR=  22.1  pDPS=  26  Miss=0.52%  TickCount=19  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=714|700|716
    curse_of_doom          Count=  7.3|60.68sec  DPE= 20031| 3%  DPET= 17091  DPR=  34.7  pDPS= 292  Miss=0.56%  TickCount=7  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=20145|19366|23558
    immolate               Count= 20.1|25.20sec  DPE= 14140| 7%  DPET= 11931  DPR=  21.6  pDPS= 569  Miss=0.57%  Hit=1875|1748|2206  Crit= 3922| 3652| 4610|44.5%  TickCount=156  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1468|1359|1741
    immolation             Count=  4.1|126.93sec  DPE= 23746| 2%  DPET= 19512  DPR=   9.6  pDPS= 194  Miss=0.58%  TickCount=60  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1610|1560|1671
    incinerate             Count= 46.9| 7.07sec  DPE=  8664|10%  DPET=  6564  DPR=  16.1  pDPS= 814  Miss=0.56%  Hit=5863|5252|6719  Crit=12250|10977|14043|44.4%
    reign_of_the_unliving  Count= 27.6|17.76sec  DPE=  2547| 2%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 140  Miss=0.55%  Hit=2059|2059|2059  Crit= 3181| 3181| 3181|44.5%
    shadow_bolt            Count=112.1| 3.18sec  DPE=  8881|23%  DPET=  4792  DPR=  13.6  pDPS=1992  Miss=0.53%  Hit=6006|5459|6851  Crit=12552|11409|14318|44.4%
    soul_fire              Count= 66.9| 2.05sec  DPE= 13496|21%  DPET=  8191  DPR=  38.9  pDPS=1806  Miss=0.55%  Hit=8653|7591|11634  Crit=18510|15865|24314|49.6%
   felguard  (DPS=2041.6)
    cleave                 Count= 83.8| 6.00sec  DPE=  2448| 5%  DPET=  1484  DPR=   7.4  pDPS= 411  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1765|1157|1815  Crit= 3531| 2314| 3630|40.0%  Dodge=1.3%
    felguard_melee         Count=338.4| 1.47sec  DPE=  2407|19%  DPET=  1632  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1630  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1743|1113|1792  Crit= 3487| 2226| 3584|45.5%  Glance=1308|24.1%  Dodge=1.4%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    bloodlust                       : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime= 8%
    decimation                      : start=1.0   refresh=66.8   interval= 76.4|2.1    uptime=28%
    demonic_empowerment             : start=12.0  refresh=0.0    interval= 42.7|42.7   uptime=36%  benefit=40%
    demonic_frenzy                  : start=1.0   refresh=332.8  interval=  0.0|1.5    uptime=100%  benefit=100%
    demonic_pact                    : start=1.7   refresh=185.6  interval=196.8|2.7    uptime=99%  benefit=99%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0   refresh=321.5  interval=  0.0|1.5    uptime=100%
    life_tap_glyph                  : start=4.1   refresh=27.7   interval=151.7|15.7   uptime=100%  benefit=99%
    metamorphosis                   : start=4.1   refresh=0.0    interval=126.9|0.0    uptime=24%  benefit=25%
    molten_core                     : start=20.5  refresh=6.3    interval= 23.8|17.9   uptime=28%  benefit=85%  trigger=12%
  Procs:
    124.6 |   4.13sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     31.8 |  15.69sec : life_tap
     27.6 |  17.76sec : reign_of_the_unliving
  Gains:
    10883.7 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    24795.3 : initial_mana          
     9608.1 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    102103.7 : life_tap                (overflow=3.1%)
    24712.9 : replenishment         
       50.7 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=59.8%)
  Pet "felguard" Gains:
     2332.6 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=78.6%)
    12424.6 : initial_mana       
     5733.7 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=47.6%)
    16430.9 : mp5_regen            (overflow=67.5%)
     3335.7 : replenishment        (overflow=73.1%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.0000  Spi=0.0000  SP=0.0000  Hit=0.0000  Crit=0.0000  Haste=0.0000
    Wowhead : 
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=110.5  interval=163.0|3.2    uptime=77%  benefit=74%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 40224004
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 4263407
  SimSeconds    = 4999208
  CpuSeconds    = 23.643
  SpeedUp       = 211446

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999749 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Texhex05615  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.0000  Spi=0.0000  SP=0.0000  Hit=0.0000  Crit=0.0000  Haste=0.0000  Lag=0.0000

00_13_58

DPS Ranking:
   8330 100.0%  Raid
   8333  100.0%  Texhex01358

Player: Texhex01358 human warlock destruction 80
  DPS: 8332.6  Error=2.9  Range=539  DPR=25.4  RPS=327.9/282.4  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=18939911
  Core Stats:  strength=309|59(0)  agility=318|67(0)  stamina=1662|1191(1025)  intellect=1374|1145(986)  spirit=608|425(248)  health=23613|19245  mana=24795|21257
  Spell Stats:  power=3592|2623(2623)  hit=13.46%|13.46%(353)  crit=30.65%|23.21%(534)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=32.66%|22.66%(743)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1174|49(0)  hit=10.77%|10.77%(353)  crit=25.58%|15.58%(534)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=51.61%|22.66%(743)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2697|2195(2061)  blockv=155|30(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: conflagrate/immolate/incinerate/drain_soul/curse_of_exhaustion/unending_breath
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
    snapshot_stats/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/conflagrate/immolate/chaos_bolt
    curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=80/incinerate
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt             Count= 33.7|15.02sec  DPE= 12159|10%  DPET=  8781  DPR=  50.2  pDPS= 819  Miss=0.53%  Hit=7456|6577|7938  Crit=15581|13746|16591|58.4%
    conflagrate            Count= 45.6|11.03sec  DPE= 12013|13%  DPET=  9973  DPR=  21.6  pDPS=1095  Miss=0.53%  Hit=5178|4956|5409  Crit=10825|10358|11305|69.3%  TickCount=135  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=565|384|596  CritTick=1180|802|1245|69.6%
    curse_of_doom          Count=  7.1|61.74sec  DPE= 16839| 3%  DPET= 13659  DPR=  29.1  pDPS= 238  Miss=0.56%  TickCount=7  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=16934|15934|17725
    immolate               Count= 32.1|15.79sec  DPE= 12133| 9%  DPET= 10238  DPR=  20.6  pDPS= 779  Miss=0.57%  Hit=2156|2016|2282  Crit= 4513| 4213| 4769|56.6%  TickCount=157  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1773|1638|1895
    incinerate             Count=221.6| 2.23sec  DPE=  9982|53%  DPET=  6641  DPR=  20.6  pDPS=4426  Miss=0.54%  Hit=6080|5137|6497  Crit=12707|10737|13579|59.4%
    reign_of_the_unliving  Count= 41.1|12.05sec  DPE=  2482| 2%  DPET=     1  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 204  Miss=0.54%  Hit=2059|2059|2059  Crit= 3181| 3181| 3181|38.7%
   imp  (DPS=772.5)
    fire_bolt              Count=265.3| 1.88sec  DPE=  1454| 9%  DPET=   773  DPR=   8.1  pDPS= 771  Miss=0.54%  Hit=1115|1088|1141  Crit= 2230| 2175| 2283|30.9%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    backdraft                       : start=45.3  refresh=0.0    interval= 11.1|11.1   uptime=46%  benefit=42%
    bloodlust                       : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime= 8%
    empowered_imp                   : start=80.2  refresh=1.7    interval=  6.2|6.0    uptime=15%  benefit=24%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0   refresh=472.3  interval=  0.0|1.1    uptime=100%
    pyroclasm                       : start=31.6  refresh=0.0    interval= 15.8|15.8   uptime=62%  benefit=50%
  Procs:
    131.6 |   3.94sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     15.4 |  22.87sec : life_tap
     41.1 |  12.05sec : reign_of_the_unliving
  Gains:
    10884.9 : blessing_of_wisdom 
    24795.3 : initial_mana       
    10145.8 : judgement_of_wisdom
    50919.6 : life_tap           
    24715.7 : replenishment      
    44481.0 : soul_leech         
  Pet "imp" Gains:
     2843.9 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=73.9%)
     6882.2 : initial_mana       
     2796.7 : judgement_of_wisdom
    38882.4 : mp5_regen            (overflow=47.0%)
     3167.5 : replenishment        (overflow=53.9%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.0000  Spi=0.0000  SP=0.0000  Hit=0.0000  Crit=0.0000  Haste=0.0000
    Wowhead : 
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 29648416
  MaxEventQueue = 21
  TargetHealth  = 4160295
  SimSeconds    = 5000123
  CpuSeconds    = 15.689
  SpeedUp       = 318702

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999872 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Texhex01358  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.0000  Spi=0.0000  SP=0.0000  Hit=0.0000  Crit=0.0000  Haste=0.0000  Lag=0.0000

dedmonwakeen · 12/10/09, 5:26 PM

Originally Posted by texhex

I'm having a tough time believing these numbers.

In my current gear simcqt results in 00_56_15 out dpsing 00_13_58 by 206 dps.

I am a bit worried that our Felguard crit rates are too high, possibly by as much as 10%.

We did enough testing to know we are off, but not enough to reverse-engineer the model.

We need a naked talent-less parse and then parses with just one relevant talent at a time.

Can we get several someones signed up for this?

Emolate · 12/10/09, 5:47 PM

I'll contribute, if you can tell me how to get access to Felguard without talenting into deep-enough Demonology by 41 points to get it. The closest I can get is taking stat buff talents for Player and Minions but avoiding Demonic Tactics, Improved Demonic Tactics, Master Demonologist but it will have some points in Brutality to make it down that far.

You can avoid most of the Demonology Felguard-buffing talents by doing this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

But that's the only thing I can come up with.