SimulationCraft for Warlocks (4.0.3a numbers at 80 and 85) - Page 94

thekid89 · 12/18/09, 4:29 PM

Odd, I am currently using the latest version provided, which was updated I believe yesterday or so.

dedmonwakeen · 12/18/09, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by thekid89

Odd, I am currently using the latest version provided, which was updated I believe yesterday or so.

I should have been more clear. I should have said: I am using a local build that based upon a limited perusal of the SVN updates should be equivalent to v5.

Apparently, "should be" != "is".

I believe we have a few Warlock updates to code up (SB refresh etc) so I'll have a new release out soon enough.

thetrueavatar · 12/19/09, 9:07 AM

Hello, I'm not sur it has already be mention but while toying with affli build with DP or LT I have seen that scale factors in T9 profile seems to be better for DP build than LT build.
So I have run a simcraft on an T10 gear profile with affliction+LT Vs affliction+LT and the result is interesting:

- 12505dps for the affli+DP
scale_factors= Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP Sta=0.0000 Int=0.5412 Spi=1.2058 SP=2.1743 Hit=2.3650 Crit=1.4499 Haste=1.9482 Lag=0.0000

- 12456dps for the affli+LT
scale_factors= Warlock_T9_55_00_16_LT Sta=0.0000 Int=0.5585 Spi=1.3051 SP=2.0955 Hit=2.4003 Crit=1.3529 Haste=1.8931 Lag=0.0000

So it seems according to simcraft that DP scales a bit better than LT(or at least the gear in this profile is more appropriate for DP than LT).
I have just taken the normal rotation of the LT build and changed LT by dp in the priority list.
The T10 gear was taken from one of the comment in the simcraft project.

Scale factors are different. I undersand why SP scales better with DP but don't understand the origin of the difference with haste and crit scale factors

#!./simc 
warlock=Warlock_T9_55_00_16


origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=15214160
level=80
race=undead
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=9&tal=235002200102351025350033115100000000000000000000000000055001005
glyphs=quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm
actions+=/food,type=fish_feast
actions+=/spell_stone
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_pet,felhunter
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/life_tap,buff_refresh=1
actions+=/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1
actions+=/corruption
actions+=/curse_of_agony
actions+=/unstable_affliction
actions+=/haunt
actions+=/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
actions+=/corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1
actions+=/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
actions+=/life_tap
head=sanctified_dark_coven_hood,stats=300armor_114crit_106haste_186sp_139sta_139int,gems=chaotic_skyflare_12sp_10spi_9sp,enchant=30sp_20crit
neck=blood_queens_crimson_choker,stats=65crit_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int,gems=10spi_12sp_5sp
shoulders=sanctified_dark_coven_shoulderpads,stats=277armor_90crit_82haste_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp,enchant=24sp_15crit
back=greatcloak_of_the_turned_champion,stats=185armor_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=23haste
chest=sanctified_dark_coven_robe,stats=369armor_122crit_106haste_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=23sp_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
wrists=death_surgeons_sleeves,stats=162armor_60crit_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=30sp
waist=crushing_coldwraith_belt,stats=208armor_74crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_23sp_7sp
legs=sanctified_dark_coven_leggings,stats=323armor_106hit_122crit_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=12sp_10spi_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=50sp_20spi
feet=plague_scientists_boots,stats=254armor_72crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_5sp,enchant=18spi
hands=sanctified_dark_coven_gloves,stats=231armor_82hit_90crit_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=28sp
finger1=ashen_band_of_greater_destruction,stats=50hit_62haste_101sp_66sta_66int,equip=onspellcast_285sp_10dur_45cd,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
finger2=memory_of_malygos,stats=60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
trinket1=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=155haste,equip=onspellcast_105sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
trinket2=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=170haste,equip=onspellcast_121sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
main_hand=rigormortis,stats=50hit_66haste_836sp_76sta_76int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=63sp,weapon=sword_1.80speed_142.12min_412.12max
off_hand=sundidal_of_eternal_dust,stats=68haste_119sp_78sta_78int_68spi
ranged=corpse_impaling_spike,stats=30haste_58sp_38crit_44sta_44int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp

DPS Ranking:
  12446 100.0%  Raid
  12456  100.0%  Warlock_T9_55_00_16

Player: Warlock_T9_55_00_16 undead warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 12455.7  Error=4.9  Range=1004  DPR=36.5  RPS=341.3/253.7  (mana)
  Origin: Profiler - Wowhead
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1983|1504(1415)  intellect=1844|1572(1415)  spirit=775|581(410)  health=26374|22024  mana=31236|27156
  Spell Stats:  power=4196|3333(3333)  hit=10.98%|10.98%(288)  crit=37.44%|30.81%(903)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=52.61%|39.28%(1288)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=8.78%|8.78%(288)  crit=33.79%|23.78%(903)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=74.42%|39.28%(1288)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2963|2459(2309)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.0|126.11sec  DPE=869741|23%  DPET=756331  DPR=1715.5  pDPS=2925  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=151  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3525|2346|5512  CritTick=7366|4903|11521|59.4%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.3|24.81sec  DPE= 15646| 5%  DPET= 14134  DPR=  43.2  pDPS= 644  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=143  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1349|899|2056
    drain_soul           Count=  9.7| 5.87sec  DPE= 55409|14%  DPET= 13197  DPR= 109.3  pDPS=1785  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=25  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=21322|13567|31166
    haunt                Count= 30.5| 9.93sec  DPE=  5816| 5%  DPET=  5150  DPR=  13.4  pDPS= 591  Miss=0.02%  Hit=3876|3236|5971  Crit= 8109| 6764|12194|45.9%
    shadow_bolt          Count=109.6| 2.18sec  DPE= 10903|32%  DPET=  6776  DPR=  17.3  pDPS=3987  Miss=0.02%  Hit=7035|5851|11064  Crit=14697|12228|23123|50.5%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.9|15.98sec  DPE= 22390|11%  DPET= 19835  DPR=  41.2  pDPS=1412  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=92  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2888|1977|4443  CritTick=6042|4132|9285|54.6%
   felhunter  (DPS=1113.2)
    felhunter_melee      Count=192.2| 1.56sec  DPE=   827| 4%  DPET=   532  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 755| 683| 952  Crit= 1510| 1367| 1889|17.9%  Glance= 566|24.0%  Dodge=2.3%
    shadow_bite          Count=150.4| 2.00sec  DPE=  1158| 5%  DPET=   702  DPR=  25.2  pDPS= 581  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1049| 639|1509  Crit= 2097| 1278| 3017|12.7%  Dodge=2.3%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    ashen_band_of_greater_destruction : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.6|45.6   uptime=23%
    bloodlust                         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.6|53.6   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.6|53.6   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    eradication                       : start=6.7   refresh=2.3    interval= 40.7|29.1   uptime=26%  benefit=28%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                           : start=1.5   refresh=28.9   interval=141.2|9.9    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    life_tap_glyph                    : start=4.9   refresh=5.9    interval= 64.4|28.5   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    shadow_embrace                    : start=1.1   refresh=139.0  interval=267.1|2.1    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                     : start=5.6   refresh=0.5    interval= 42.3|39.6   uptime=10%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
    tier10_4pc_caster                 : start=8.9   refresh=4.8    interval= 31.7|19.9   uptime=38%  benefit=38%  trigger=15%
  Procs:
     62.6 |   4.68sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     10.9 |  28.50sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     6493.6 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    31236.0 : initial_mana          
     4824.6 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    45186.7 : life_tap                (overflow=9.2%)
    18574.7 : replenishment         
      957.8 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=18.9%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       41.4 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.4%)
    11803.9 : initial_mana       
     1739.8 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=56.4%)
       22.8 : mp5_regen            (overflow=98.8%)
       68.7 : replenishment        (overflow=99.0%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5585  Spi=1.3051  SP=2.0955  Hit=2.4003  Crit=1.3529  Haste=1.8931
    Wowhead : Items - World of Warcraft
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=108.6  interval=  0.0|2.2    uptime=89%  benefit=90%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 25446342
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 3727111
  SimSeconds    = 2999629
  CpuSeconds    = 10.344
  SpeedUp       = 289987

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999583 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000040

Scale Factors:
  Warlock_T9_55_00_16  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5585  Spi=1.3051  SP=2.0955  Hit=2.4003  Crit=1.3529  Haste=1.8931  Lag=0.0000

#!./simc 
warlock=Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP
origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=15214160
level=80
race=undead
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=9&tal=235002200102351025351033115100000000000000000000000000055000005
glyphs=quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm
actions+=/food,type=fish_feast
actions+=/spell_stone
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_pet,felhunter
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/dark_pact,buff_refresh=1
actions+=/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1
actions+=/corruption
actions+=/curse_of_agony
actions+=/unstable_affliction
actions+=/haunt
actions+=/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/dark_pact,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
actions+=/corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1
actions+=/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
actions+=/dark_pact
head=sanctified_dark_coven_hood,stats=300armor_114crit_106haste_186sp_139sta_139int,gems=chaotic_skyflare_12sp_10spi_9sp,enchant=30sp_20crit
neck=blood_queens_crimson_choker,stats=65crit_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int,gems=10spi_12sp_5sp
shoulders=sanctified_dark_coven_shoulderpads,stats=277armor_90crit_82haste_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp,enchant=24sp_15crit
back=greatcloak_of_the_turned_champion,stats=185armor_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=23haste
chest=sanctified_dark_coven_robe,stats=369armor_122crit_106haste_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=23sp_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
wrists=death_surgeons_sleeves,stats=162armor_60crit_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=30sp
waist=crushing_coldwraith_belt,stats=208armor_74crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_23sp_7sp
legs=sanctified_dark_coven_leggings,stats=323armor_106hit_122crit_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=12sp_10spi_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=50sp_20spi
feet=plague_scientists_boots,stats=254armor_72crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_5sp,enchant=18spi
hands=sanctified_dark_coven_gloves,stats=231armor_82hit_90crit_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=28sp
finger1=ashen_band_of_greater_destruction,stats=50hit_62haste_101sp_66sta_66int,equip=onspellcast_285sp_10dur_45cd,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
finger2=memory_of_malygos,stats=60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
trinket1=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=155haste,equip=onspellcast_105sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
trinket2=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=170haste,equip=onspellcast_121sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
main_hand=rigormortis,stats=50hit_66haste_836sp_76sta_76int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=63sp,weapon=sword_1.80speed_142.12min_412.12max
off_hand=sundidal_of_eternal_dust,stats=68haste_119sp_78sta_78int_68spi
ranged=corpse_impaling_spike,stats=30haste_58sp_38crit_44sta_44int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp

DPS Ranking:
  12496 100.0%  Raid
  12505  100.0%  Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP

Player: Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP undead warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 12505.2  Error=4.7  Range=1101  DPR=35.4  RPS=353.5/279.6  (mana)
  Origin: Profiler - Wowhead
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1983|1504(1415)  intellect=1844|1572(1415)  spirit=775|581(410)  health=26374|22024  mana=31236|27156
  Spell Stats:  power=4196|3333(3333)  hit=10.98%|10.98%(288)  crit=37.44%|30.81%(903)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=52.61%|39.28%(1288)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=8.78%|8.78%(288)  crit=33.79%|23.78%(903)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=74.42%|39.28%(1288)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2963|2459(2309)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/dark_pact,buff_refresh=1
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    dark_pact,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    dark_pact
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.0|131.74sec  DPE=870761|23%  DPET=758444  DPR=1717.5  pDPS=2926  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=151  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3525|2346|5122  CritTick=7369|4903|10705|59.5%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.3|24.80sec  DPE= 15645| 5%  DPET= 14161  DPR=  43.2  pDPS= 644  Miss=0.03%  TickCount=143  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1349|899|2056
    drain_soul           Count=  9.7| 5.84sec  DPE= 55328|14%  DPET= 13204  DPR= 109.1  pDPS=1796  Miss=0.03%  TickCount=25  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=21335|13567|31507
    haunt                Count= 30.5| 9.92sec  DPE=  5805| 5%  DPET=  5141  DPR=  13.4  pDPS= 590  Miss=0.02%  Hit=3880|3236|5835  Crit= 8107| 6764|12307|45.6%
    shadow_bolt          Count=110.8| 2.16sec  DPE= 10894|32%  DPET=  6768  DPR=  16.6  pDPS=4026  Miss=0.02%  Hit=7035|5851|11064  Crit=14695|12228|23123|50.4%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.9|15.98sec  DPE= 22369|11%  DPET= 19824  DPR=  41.2  pDPS=1411  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=92  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2889|1977|4443  CritTick=6040|4132|9285|54.5%
   felhunter  (DPS=1113.3)
    felhunter_melee      Count=192.2| 1.56sec  DPE=   827| 4%  DPET=   532  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 755| 683| 952  Crit= 1510| 1367| 1903|17.8%  Glance= 566|24.1%  Dodge=2.3%
    shadow_bite          Count=150.4| 2.00sec  DPE=  1159| 5%  DPET=   702  DPR=  25.2  pDPS= 581  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1049| 639|1509  Crit= 2098| 1278| 2987|12.8%  Dodge=2.3%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    ashen_band_of_greater_destruction : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.6|45.6   uptime=23%
    bloodlust                         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.5|53.5   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.5|53.5   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    eradication                       : start=6.7   refresh=2.4    interval= 40.8|29.1   uptime=26%  benefit=28%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                           : start=1.5   refresh=29.0   interval=136.9|9.9    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    life_tap_glyph                    : start=5.9   refresh=3.1    interval= 55.9|34.9   uptime=99%  benefit=96%
    shadow_embrace                    : start=1.1   refresh=140.2  interval=275.3|2.1    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                     : start=5.5   refresh=0.5    interval= 43.0|40.2   uptime=10%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
    tier10_4pc_caster                 : start=8.9   refresh=4.8    interval= 31.6|19.9   uptime=38%  benefit=38%  trigger=15%
  Procs:
      9.0 |  34.90sec : dark_pact
     63.1 |   4.64sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     6494.5 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    52923.5 : dark_pact               (overflow=9.5%)
    31236.0 : initial_mana          
     4863.4 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    18577.3 : replenishment         
      968.4 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=18.7%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       41.2 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.4%)
    11803.9 : initial_mana       
     1742.9 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=56.3%)
       22.7 : mp5_regen            (overflow=98.9%)
       68.4 : replenishment        (overflow=99.0%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5412  Spi=1.2058  SP=2.1743  Hit=2.3650  Crit=1.4499  Haste=1.9482
    Wowhead : Items - World of Warcraft
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=109.8  interval=  0.0|2.2    uptime=89%  benefit=90%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 25452378
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 3741923
  SimSeconds    = 3000096
  CpuSeconds    = 10.250
  SpeedUp       = 292692

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999341 Range=1.000000 Gauss=0.999681

Scale Factors:
  Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5412  Spi=1.2058  SP=2.1743  Hit=2.3650  Crit=1.4499  Haste=1.9482  Lag=0.0000

Fnords · 12/19/09, 11:34 AM

This is completely anecdotal, but my DP is slightly bigger than my LT. Unbuffed there's something like a 20 mana difference between the two, but I'm not in BiS or anything like that. DP may begin overtaking LT quite early, if that's anything to go by.

Given that affli can't take soul link like destro or demo can, being able to DP mana would help survivability in ICC. It may be worth someone whose simcraft-fu is strong looking into where DP becomes superior, and where it becomes noticeably bigger.

Naoe · 12/20/09, 8:21 AM

As the strong imp spec is now quite high on dps, I'm wondering about how simcraft handles the Imp. I've noticed that in practice, the imp is a lot slower than you would think, with a casting speed of 2s, he shoots a fireball maybe every 2.4 seconds. Does Simcraft model this behavior realistically, or is it possible that the imp numbers are greatly inflated? It might be an issue of latency (im often at around 250ms), but as the imp just auto attacks, you would think latency does not affect it.

Demi9OD · 12/20/09, 10:21 AM

The Imp does not utilize the spell queue when attacking which slows his casts dramatically. I've worked around this by adding /cast Fire Bolt to each of my main spell macros. By macro'ing Fire Bolt to Immolate, Incinerate, Conflag, and Chaos Bolt, and spamming these during combat, your Imp will gain the full benefit of the spell queue and cast as often as he should.

I found controlling the Imp to be difficult though, as a passive command to move him out of fire would be negated by the command to cast Fire Bolt. To get around this problem I created two more macros. The first puts my pet on defensive, tells him to attack, and swaps to action bar 1, where all my spells are macro'd to Fire Bolt. The second puts my pet on passive, tells him to follow, and swaps to action bar 2, where my spells are not macro'd to Fire Bolt. As soon as my pet has moved out of danger I simply issue the attack macro again, swapping to bar 1, and he is back to fast casting.

dedmonwakeen · 12/20/09, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Naoe

As the strong imp spec is now quite high on dps, I'm wondering about how simcraft handles the Imp. I've noticed that in practice, the imp is a lot slower than you would think, with a casting speed of 2s, he shoots a fireball maybe every 2.4 seconds. Does Simcraft model this behavior realistically, or is it possible that the imp numbers are greatly inflated? It might be an issue of latency (im often at around 250ms), but as the imp just auto attacks, you would think latency does not affect it.

While the Imp is modeled with a 2.0/3.5 scaling ratio, it is given a 2.5sec base cast time due to observed difference between the cast time of Fire Bolt and the periodicity with which it is cast.

Cangiz · 12/20/09, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

The Imp does not utilize the spell queue when attacking which slows his casts dramatically. I've worked around this by adding /cast Fire Bolt to each of my main spell macros. By macro'ing Fire Bolt to Immolate, Incinerate, Conflag, and Chaos Bolt, and spamming these during combat, your Imp will gain the full benefit of the spell queue and cast as often as he should.

I did a little in-game testing, and this does indeed reduce the 0.4 second delay in between casts. With the macro being spammed the imp is casting at a rate of exactly 2.0.

A roughly 20% buff to imp damage, and with 20% more casts it is a nice buff to us as well via Emp Imp. Could we set a parameter in simcraft to set imp cast time to 2.0? I would like to see the total effect this has on our dps.

LordObsidian · 12/20/09, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cangiz

I did a little in-game testing, and this does indeed reduce the 0.4 second delay in between casts. With the macro being spammed the imp is casting at a rate of exactly 2.0.

A roughly 20% buff to imp damage, and with 20% more casts it is a nice buff to us as well via Emp Imp. Could we set a parameter in simcraft to set imp cast time to 2.0? I would like to see the total effect this has on our dps.

Just tested this on target dummy for a period of 10 minutes.

Imp dps without macro = 427
Imp dps with macro = 517

Overall dps

Without macro = ~6150
With Macro = ~6450 (Presumably more Empowered IMP procs)

I will test this in detail and post more results.

gurtinu · 12/20/09, 7:44 PM

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

The Imp does not utilize the spell queue when attacking which slows his casts dramatically. I've worked around this by adding /cast Fire Bolt to each of my main spell macros. By macro'ing Fire Bolt to Immolate, Incinerate, Conflag, and Chaos Bolt, and spamming these during combat, your Imp will gain the full benefit of the spell queue and cast as often as he should.

I found controlling the Imp to be difficult though, as a passive command to move him out of fire would be negated by the command to cast Fire Bolt. To get around this problem I created two more macros. The first puts my pet on defensive, tells him to attack, and swaps to action bar 1, where all my spells are macro'd to Fire Bolt. The second puts my pet on passive, tells him to follow, and swaps to action bar 2, where my spells are not macro'd to Fire Bolt. As soon as my pet has moved out of danger I simply issue the attack macro again, swapping to bar 1, and he is back to fast casting.

Maybe you could just add this (cast firebolt if pet has a target)

/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Firebolt

And then use a toggle macro to move him

/petattack [target=pettarget,noexists]
/petfollow [target=pettarget,exists]

Demi9OD · 12/20/09, 10:52 PM

That does seem to be a more elegant solution, thanks Maturz. I had always assumed Simcraft modeled the Imp with a 2.0 second cast based on the abnormally high DPS figures the simmed Imp was putting out. The model should probably be changed to mimic player based spell queuing of Firebolt since it's a rather trivial thing to accomplish with macros.

crunchyblack · 12/21/09, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by thetrueavatar

Hello, I'm not sur it has already be mention but while toying with affli build with DP or LT I have seen that scale factors in T9 profile seems to be better for DP build than LT build.
So I have run a simcraft on an T10 gear profile with affliction+LT Vs affliction+LT and the result is interesting:

- 12505dps for the affli+DP
scale_factors= Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP Sta=0.0000 Int=0.5412 Spi=1.2058 SP=2.1743 Hit=2.3650 Crit=1.4499 Haste=1.9482 Lag=0.0000

- 12456dps for the affli+LT
scale_factors= Warlock_T9_55_00_16_LT Sta=0.0000 Int=0.5585 Spi=1.3051 SP=2.0955 Hit=2.4003 Crit=1.3529 Haste=1.8931 Lag=0.0000

So it seems according to simcraft that DP scales a bit better than LT(or at least the gear in this profile is more appropriate for DP than LT).
I have just taken the normal rotation of the LT build and changed LT by dp in the priority list.
The T10 gear was taken from one of the comment in the simcraft project.

Scale factors are different. I undersand why SP scales better with DP but don't understand the origin of the difference with haste and crit scale factors

#!./simc 
warlock=Warlock_T9_55_00_16


origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=15214160
level=80
race=undead
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=9&tal=235002200102351025350033115100000000000000000000000000055001005
glyphs=quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm
actions+=/food,type=fish_feast
actions+=/spell_stone
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_pet,felhunter
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/life_tap,buff_refresh=1
actions+=/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1
actions+=/corruption
actions+=/curse_of_agony
actions+=/unstable_affliction
actions+=/haunt
actions+=/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
actions+=/corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1
actions+=/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
actions+=/life_tap
head=sanctified_dark_coven_hood,stats=300armor_114crit_106haste_186sp_139sta_139int,gems=chaotic_skyflare_12sp_10spi_9sp,enchant=30sp_20crit
neck=blood_queens_crimson_choker,stats=65crit_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int,gems=10spi_12sp_5sp
shoulders=sanctified_dark_coven_shoulderpads,stats=277armor_90crit_82haste_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp,enchant=24sp_15crit
back=greatcloak_of_the_turned_champion,stats=185armor_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=23haste
chest=sanctified_dark_coven_robe,stats=369armor_122crit_106haste_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=23sp_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
wrists=death_surgeons_sleeves,stats=162armor_60crit_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=30sp
waist=crushing_coldwraith_belt,stats=208armor_74crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_23sp_7sp
legs=sanctified_dark_coven_leggings,stats=323armor_106hit_122crit_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=12sp_10spi_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=50sp_20spi
feet=plague_scientists_boots,stats=254armor_72crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_5sp,enchant=18spi
hands=sanctified_dark_coven_gloves,stats=231armor_82hit_90crit_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=28sp
finger1=ashen_band_of_greater_destruction,stats=50hit_62haste_101sp_66sta_66int,equip=onspellcast_285sp_10dur_45cd,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
finger2=memory_of_malygos,stats=60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
trinket1=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=155haste,equip=onspellcast_105sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
trinket2=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=170haste,equip=onspellcast_121sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
main_hand=rigormortis,stats=50hit_66haste_836sp_76sta_76int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=63sp,weapon=sword_1.80speed_142.12min_412.12max
off_hand=sundidal_of_eternal_dust,stats=68haste_119sp_78sta_78int_68spi
ranged=corpse_impaling_spike,stats=30haste_58sp_38crit_44sta_44int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp

DPS Ranking:
  12446 100.0%  Raid
  12456  100.0%  Warlock_T9_55_00_16

Player: Warlock_T9_55_00_16 undead warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 12455.7  Error=4.9  Range=1004  DPR=36.5  RPS=341.3/253.7  (mana)
  Origin: Profiler - Wowhead
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1983|1504(1415)  intellect=1844|1572(1415)  spirit=775|581(410)  health=26374|22024  mana=31236|27156
  Spell Stats:  power=4196|3333(3333)  hit=10.98%|10.98%(288)  crit=37.44%|30.81%(903)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=52.61%|39.28%(1288)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=8.78%|8.78%(288)  crit=33.79%|23.78%(903)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=74.42%|39.28%(1288)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2963|2459(2309)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.0|126.11sec  DPE=869741|23%  DPET=756331  DPR=1715.5  pDPS=2925  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=151  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3525|2346|5512  CritTick=7366|4903|11521|59.4%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.3|24.81sec  DPE= 15646| 5%  DPET= 14134  DPR=  43.2  pDPS= 644  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=143  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1349|899|2056
    drain_soul           Count=  9.7| 5.87sec  DPE= 55409|14%  DPET= 13197  DPR= 109.3  pDPS=1785  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=25  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=21322|13567|31166
    haunt                Count= 30.5| 9.93sec  DPE=  5816| 5%  DPET=  5150  DPR=  13.4  pDPS= 591  Miss=0.02%  Hit=3876|3236|5971  Crit= 8109| 6764|12194|45.9%
    shadow_bolt          Count=109.6| 2.18sec  DPE= 10903|32%  DPET=  6776  DPR=  17.3  pDPS=3987  Miss=0.02%  Hit=7035|5851|11064  Crit=14697|12228|23123|50.5%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.9|15.98sec  DPE= 22390|11%  DPET= 19835  DPR=  41.2  pDPS=1412  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=92  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2888|1977|4443  CritTick=6042|4132|9285|54.6%
   felhunter  (DPS=1113.2)
    felhunter_melee      Count=192.2| 1.56sec  DPE=   827| 4%  DPET=   532  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 755| 683| 952  Crit= 1510| 1367| 1889|17.9%  Glance= 566|24.0%  Dodge=2.3%
    shadow_bite          Count=150.4| 2.00sec  DPE=  1158| 5%  DPET=   702  DPR=  25.2  pDPS= 581  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1049| 639|1509  Crit= 2097| 1278| 3017|12.7%  Dodge=2.3%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    ashen_band_of_greater_destruction : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.6|45.6   uptime=23%
    bloodlust                         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.6|53.6   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.6|53.6   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    eradication                       : start=6.7   refresh=2.3    interval= 40.7|29.1   uptime=26%  benefit=28%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                           : start=1.5   refresh=28.9   interval=141.2|9.9    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    life_tap_glyph                    : start=4.9   refresh=5.9    interval= 64.4|28.5   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    shadow_embrace                    : start=1.1   refresh=139.0  interval=267.1|2.1    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                     : start=5.6   refresh=0.5    interval= 42.3|39.6   uptime=10%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
    tier10_4pc_caster                 : start=8.9   refresh=4.8    interval= 31.7|19.9   uptime=38%  benefit=38%  trigger=15%
  Procs:
     62.6 |   4.68sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     10.9 |  28.50sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     6493.6 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    31236.0 : initial_mana          
     4824.6 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    45186.7 : life_tap                (overflow=9.2%)
    18574.7 : replenishment         
      957.8 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=18.9%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       41.4 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.4%)
    11803.9 : initial_mana       
     1739.8 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=56.4%)
       22.8 : mp5_regen            (overflow=98.8%)
       68.7 : replenishment        (overflow=99.0%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5585  Spi=1.3051  SP=2.0955  Hit=2.4003  Crit=1.3529  Haste=1.8931
    Wowhead : Items - World of Warcraft
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=108.6  interval=  0.0|2.2    uptime=89%  benefit=90%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 25446342
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 3727111
  SimSeconds    = 2999629
  CpuSeconds    = 10.344
  SpeedUp       = 289987

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999583 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000040

Scale Factors:
  Warlock_T9_55_00_16  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5585  Spi=1.3051  SP=2.0955  Hit=2.4003  Crit=1.3529  Haste=1.8931  Lag=0.0000

#!./simc 
warlock=Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP
origin=http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=15214160
level=80
race=undead
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=9&tal=235002200102351025351033115100000000000000000000000000055000005
glyphs=quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm
actions+=/food,type=fish_feast
actions+=/spell_stone
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_pet,felhunter
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/dark_pact,buff_refresh=1
actions+=/wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1
actions+=/corruption
actions+=/curse_of_agony
actions+=/unstable_affliction
actions+=/haunt
actions+=/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/dark_pact,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
actions+=/corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1
actions+=/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
actions+=/dark_pact
head=sanctified_dark_coven_hood,stats=300armor_114crit_106haste_186sp_139sta_139int,gems=chaotic_skyflare_12sp_10spi_9sp,enchant=30sp_20crit
neck=blood_queens_crimson_choker,stats=65crit_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int,gems=10spi_12sp_5sp
shoulders=sanctified_dark_coven_shoulderpads,stats=277armor_90crit_82haste_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp,enchant=24sp_15crit
back=greatcloak_of_the_turned_champion,stats=185armor_60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=23haste
chest=sanctified_dark_coven_robe,stats=369armor_122crit_106haste_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=23sp_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=10str_10agi_10sta_10int_10spi
wrists=death_surgeons_sleeves,stats=162armor_60crit_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=30sp
waist=crushing_coldwraith_belt,stats=208armor_74crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_23sp_7sp
legs=sanctified_dark_coven_leggings,stats=323armor_106hit_122crit_195sp_139sta_139int,gems=12sp_10spi_10haste_12sp_7sp,enchant=50sp_20spi
feet=plague_scientists_boots,stats=254armor_72crit_90haste_140sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_23sp_5sp,enchant=18spi
hands=sanctified_dark_coven_gloves,stats=231armor_82hit_90crit_150sp_103sta_103int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=28sp
finger1=ashen_band_of_greater_destruction,stats=50hit_62haste_101sp_66sta_66int,equip=onspellcast_285sp_10dur_45cd,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
finger2=memory_of_malygos,stats=60haste_110sp_78sta_78int_68spi,gems=12sp_10haste_5sp,enchant=23sp
trinket1=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=155haste,equip=onspellcast_105sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
trinket2=dislodged_foreign_object,stats=170haste,equip=onspellcast_121sp_10stack_10%_20dur_45cd_2tick
main_hand=rigormortis,stats=50hit_66haste_836sp_76sta_76int,gems=12sp_10spi_5sp,enchant=63sp,weapon=sword_1.80speed_142.12min_412.12max
off_hand=sundidal_of_eternal_dust,stats=68haste_119sp_78sta_78int_68spi
ranged=corpse_impaling_spike,stats=30haste_58sp_38crit_44sta_44int,gems=10haste_12sp_5sp

DPS Ranking:
  12496 100.0%  Raid
  12505  100.0%  Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP

Player: Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP undead warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 12505.2  Error=4.7  Range=1101  DPR=35.4  RPS=353.5/279.6  (mana)
  Origin: Profiler - Wowhead
  Core Stats:  strength=319|68(10)  agility=327|75(10)  stamina=1983|1504(1415)  intellect=1844|1572(1415)  spirit=775|581(410)  health=26374|22024  mana=31236|27156
  Spell Stats:  power=4196|3333(3333)  hit=10.98%|10.98%(288)  crit=37.44%|30.81%(903)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=52.61%|39.28%(1288)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1185|58(0)  hit=8.78%|8.78%(288)  crit=33.79%|23.78%(903)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=74.42%|39.28%(1288)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2963|2459(2309)  blockv=160|34(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: quick_decay/haunt/life_tap
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/dark_pact,buff_refresh=1
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    dark_pact,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    dark_pact
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.0|131.74sec  DPE=870761|23%  DPET=758444  DPR=1717.5  pDPS=2926  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=151  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3525|2346|5122  CritTick=7369|4903|10705|59.5%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.3|24.80sec  DPE= 15645| 5%  DPET= 14161  DPR=  43.2  pDPS= 644  Miss=0.03%  TickCount=143  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1349|899|2056
    drain_soul           Count=  9.7| 5.84sec  DPE= 55328|14%  DPET= 13204  DPR= 109.1  pDPS=1796  Miss=0.03%  TickCount=25  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=21335|13567|31507
    haunt                Count= 30.5| 9.92sec  DPE=  5805| 5%  DPET=  5141  DPR=  13.4  pDPS= 590  Miss=0.02%  Hit=3880|3236|5835  Crit= 8107| 6764|12307|45.6%
    shadow_bolt          Count=110.8| 2.16sec  DPE= 10894|32%  DPET=  6768  DPR=  16.6  pDPS=4026  Miss=0.02%  Hit=7035|5851|11064  Crit=14695|12228|23123|50.4%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.9|15.98sec  DPE= 22369|11%  DPET= 19824  DPR=  41.2  pDPS=1411  Miss=0.02%  TickCount=92  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2889|1977|4443  CritTick=6040|4132|9285|54.5%
   felhunter  (DPS=1113.3)
    felhunter_melee      Count=192.2| 1.56sec  DPE=   827| 4%  DPET=   532  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 755| 683| 952  Crit= 1510| 1367| 1903|17.8%  Glance= 566|24.1%  Dodge=2.3%
    shadow_bite          Count=150.4| 2.00sec  DPE=  1159| 5%  DPET=   702  DPR=  25.2  pDPS= 581  Miss=0.00%  Hit=1049| 639|1509  Crit= 2098| 1278| 2987|12.8%  Dodge=2.3%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    ashen_band_of_greater_destruction : start=7.0   refresh=0.0    interval= 45.6|45.6   uptime=23%
    bloodlust                         : start=1.0   refresh=0.0    interval=  0.0|0.0    uptime=13%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.5|53.5   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    dislodged_foreign_object          : start=5.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 53.5|53.5   uptime=38%  trigger=10%
    eradication                       : start=6.7   refresh=2.4    interval= 40.8|29.1   uptime=26%  benefit=28%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                           : start=1.5   refresh=29.0   interval=136.9|9.9    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    life_tap_glyph                    : start=5.9   refresh=3.1    interval= 55.9|34.9   uptime=99%  benefit=96%
    shadow_embrace                    : start=1.1   refresh=140.2  interval=275.3|2.1    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                     : start=5.5   refresh=0.5    interval= 43.0|40.2   uptime=10%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
    tier10_4pc_caster                 : start=8.9   refresh=4.8    interval= 31.6|19.9   uptime=38%  benefit=38%  trigger=15%
  Procs:
      9.0 |  34.90sec : dark_pact
     63.1 |   4.64sec : judgement_of_wisdom
  Gains:
     6494.5 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    52923.5 : dark_pact               (overflow=9.5%)
    31236.0 : initial_mana          
     4863.4 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    18577.3 : replenishment         
      968.4 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=18.7%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       41.2 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.4%)
    11803.9 : initial_mana       
     1742.9 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=56.3%)
       22.7 : mp5_regen            (overflow=98.9%)
       68.4 : replenishment        (overflow=99.0%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5412  Spi=1.2058  SP=2.1743  Hit=2.3650  Crit=1.4499  Haste=1.9482
    Wowhead : Items - World of Warcraft
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem/wrath_of_air
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=109.8  interval=  0.0|2.2    uptime=89%  benefit=90%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 25452378
  MaxEventQueue = 24
  TargetHealth  = 3741923
  SimSeconds    = 3000096
  CpuSeconds    = 10.250
  SpeedUp       = 292692

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999341 Range=1.000000 Gauss=0.999681

Scale Factors:
  Warlock_T9_56_00_15_DP  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.5412  Spi=1.2058  SP=2.1743  Hit=2.3650  Crit=1.4499  Haste=1.9482  Lag=0.0000

I am very curious about using dark pact. I got similar results when I simmed these 2 specs. The only difference that I had was between my DarkPact build and yours. I see you still have two points in Improved Lifetap, which is quite a waste considering you're not using it at all. Using dark pact not only (seemingly) gives a DPS increase but also allows us to slide the two points that were in improved life tap, into improved drainsoul, giving us 20% threat reduction. So now the very minor DPS increase has also allowed us to be less worried about threat. This seems like a promising change.

For reference, the two specs I used are as follows:

Dark Pact
The World of Warcraft Armory

Life Tap
The World of Warcraft Armory

To re-iterate, my sim numbers were very similar to yours, the only difference being that with this DP build we get an addition 20% threat reduction.

dallalr · 12/21/09, 2:02 AM

So, Im using the most updated version of Simulationcraft 330.5 for 3.3.0
10000 iterations. Overriding for heroic presence. Patchwerk type fight.

My scaling factors (especially crit and haste) are substantially different than those posted on front page for the spec 0/13/58. I understand that there should be some difference related to gear, but I dont think that I can account for a difference to this degree. I am using the exact same spec/glyphs as the posted.

I have my own spreadsheet of items that assist me in gear selection. i would like to know that I can trust my own simcraft scaling numbers and that the difference in scaling between EJ's BiS and my own is expected.

Scale Factor

MY EJ

Int: 0.318 0.382

Spi: 1.047 1.116

SP: 1.59 1.589

Crit: 0.847 1.02

Haste: 0.873 1.36

# Gear Summary

# gear_intellect=1072
# gear_spirit=301
# gear_spell_power=2837
# gear_hit_rating=343
# gear_crit_rating=711
# gear_haste_rating=562
# meta_gem=chaotic_skyflare
# tier9_2pc_caster=1
# tier9_4pc_caster=1

Jenren22 · 12/21/09, 4:51 AM

I tested my profile with the typical ilevel 245 T9 4 piece bonus, against replacing the head and shoulders with two piece T10 (with no Shaman buffs, 10 man raider), and got these results:

On a Patchwerk fight:

4 piece T9: 8415 dps

DPS Ranking:
   8408 100.0%  Raid
   8415  100.0%  Jenerenanew

Player: Jenerenanew blood_elf warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 8414.8  Error=9.3  Range=477  DPR=28.5  RPS=295.0/224.1  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=19372992
  Core Stats:  strength=317|66(10)  agility=331|79(10)  stamina=1601|1157(1068)  intellect=1434|1200(1038)  spirit=629|448(284)  health=22554|18554  mana=25086|21576
  Spell Stats:  power=3440|2574(2574)  hit=12.39%|12.39%(325)  crit=29.01%|22.61%(629)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=26.66%|21.14%(693)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1183|56(0)  hit=9.91%|9.91%(325)  crit=27.90%|17.89%(629)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=51.99%|21.14%(693)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2732|2228(2070)  blockv=159|33(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: haunt/quick_decay/life_tap/curse_of_exhaustion/drain_soul
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1/arcane_torrent
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.0|254.78sec  DPE=585412|23%  DPET=438797  DPR=1154.7  pDPS=1966  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=125  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3138|2221|3822  CritTick=6558|4507|7988|46.1%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.3|24.99sec  DPE= 12946| 6%  DPET= 11670  DPR=  35.8  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=142  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1121|822|1366
    drain_soul           Count=  9.0| 6.87sec  DPE= 34082|12%  DPET=  7036  DPR=  67.2  pDPS=1023  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=18  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=16745|11871|19531
    haunt                Count= 28.9|10.45sec  DPE=  4488| 5%  DPET=  3514  DPR=  10.3  pDPS= 433  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3204|2886|3908  Crit= 6691| 6032| 8167|36.8%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 85.8| 2.72sec  DPE=  7943|27%  DPET=  4110  DPR=  12.1  pDPS=2273  Miss=0.00%  Hit=5651|5206|7143  Crit=11815|10881|14929|37.2%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.7|16.12sec  DPE= 18398|14%  DPET= 14435  DPR=  33.9  pDPS=1147  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=91  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2516|1904|3119  CritTick=5265|3980|6518|46.2%
   felhunter  (DPS=1043.7)
    felhunter_melee      Count=184.7| 1.62sec  DPE=   804| 6%  DPET=   497  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 496  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 669| 644| 712  Crit= 1338| 1287| 1424|28.0%  Glance= 501|23.8%  Dodge=1.7%
    shadow_bite          Count=150.3| 2.00sec  DPE=  1089| 6%  DPET=   660  DPR=  23.7  pDPS= 547  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 900| 578|1081  Crit= 1801| 1155| 2162|22.8%  Dodge=1.7%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    abyssal_rune                    : start=6.5   refresh=0.0    interval= 49.1|49.1   uptime=21%  trigger=25%
    eradication                     : start=5.9   refresh=1.6    interval= 44.8|33.9   uptime=22%  benefit=24%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                         : start=3.3   refresh=25.6   interval= 97.3|10.4   uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0   refresh=254.1  interval=269.8|1.2    uptime=99%
    life_tap_glyph                  : start=4.9   refresh=6.5    interval= 67.4|26.5   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery           : start=5.2   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.0|63.0   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    shadow_embrace                  : start=1.7   refresh=113.0  interval=232.9|2.6    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                   : start=4.5   refresh=0.4    interval= 49.6|46.2   uptime=10%  benefit= 4%  trigger= 4%
  Procs:
     63.8 |   4.59sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     11.4 |  26.51sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     4512.5 : arcane_torrent        
     6482.1 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    25086.0 : initial_mana          
     4919.0 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    35276.1 : life_tap                (overflow=8.7%)
    14899.1 : replenishment         
     1050.6 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=13.2%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       39.3 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.4%)
    10244.6 : initial_mana       
     1746.0 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=56.4%)
       15.6 : mp5_regen            (overflow=99.1%)
       46.6 : replenishment        (overflow=99.2%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.3539  Spi=0.9695  SP=1.6515  Hit=1.2457  Crit=0.9300  Haste=1.4827
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.3539:0.9695:1.6515:1.2457:0.9300:1.4827;
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )
    DPS(Spi)=8180|8215|8235|8253|8289|8298|8326|8347|8369|8384|8415|8433|8451|8477|8501|8509|8537|8555|8584|8603|8616
    DPS(SP)=8069|8114|8144|8169|8209|8243|8273|8303|8347|8376|8415|8437|8468|8502|8540|8566|8613|8652|8670|8697|8746
    DPS(Hit)=8059|8106|8160|8202|8252|8299|8328|8364|8403|8402|8415|8413|8419|8415|8425|8419|8425|8429|8425|8428|8420
    DPS(Crit)=8218|8230|8257|8266|8285|8301|8331|8357|8369|8387|8415|8426|8455|8469|8495|8505|8522|8551|8569|8589|8610
    DPS(Haste)=8110|8143|8172|8210|8234|8275|8304|8327|8356|8386|8415|8437|8463|8499|8524|8554|8585|8618|8631|8658|8702

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=84.8   interval=  0.0|2.7    uptime=87%  benefit=88%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 2077983
  MaxEventQueue = 18
  TargetHealth  = 2768274
  SimSeconds    = 299814
  CpuSeconds    = 2.122
  SpeedUp       = 141288

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000194 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Jenerenanew  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.3539  Spi=0.9695  SP=1.6515  Hit=1.2457  Crit=0.9300  Haste=1.4827  Lag=0.0000

Two piece T10: 8442 dps

DPS Ranking:
   8435 100.0%  Raid
   8442  100.0%  Jenerenatest1

Player: Jenerenatest1 blood_elf warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 8441.8  Error=9.4  Range=516  DPR=28.0  RPS=301.2/226.9  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=19373369#inventory
  Core Stats:  strength=317|66(10)  agility=331|79(10)  stamina=1612|1167(1078)  intellect=1445|1210(1048)  spirit=483|315(151)  health=22664|18654  mana=25251|21726
  Spell Stats:  power=3412|2590(2590)  hit=12.39%|12.39%(325)  crit=29.30%|22.89%(639)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=31.15%|25.50%(836)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1183|56(0)  hit=9.91%|9.91%(325)  crit=28.12%|18.11%(639)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=57.38%|25.50%(836)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2744|2240(2082)  blockv=159|33(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: haunt/quick_decay/life_tap/curse_of_exhaustion/drain_soul
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1/arcane_torrent
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  1.0|260.55sec  DPE=575874|23%  DPET=445268  DPR=1135.8  pDPS=1945  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=129  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2883|2040|3730  CritTick=6028|4264|7796|51.5%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 12.3|24.95sec  DPE= 12822| 6%  DPET= 11575  DPR=  35.4  pDPS= 526  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=142  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1109|824|1353
    drain_soul           Count=  9.0| 6.83sec  DPE= 35052|13%  DPET=  7221  DPR=  69.1  pDPS=1057  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=19  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=16564|11705|19307
    haunt                Count= 29.1|10.40sec  DPE=  4446| 5%  DPET=  3580  DPR=  10.2  pDPS= 432  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3169|2855|3872  Crit= 6625| 5966| 8092|37.0%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 88.6| 2.64sec  DPE=  8156|29%  DPET=  4370  DPR=  12.5  pDPS=2411  Miss=0.00%  Hit=5587|5147|7069  Crit=11678|10756|14774|42.2%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 18.5|16.25sec  DPE= 16765|12%  DPET= 13535  DPR=  30.9  pDPS=1037  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=90  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2298|1736|2849  CritTick=4803|3629|5955|45.9%
   felhunter  (DPS=1036.3)
    felhunter_melee      Count=184.7| 1.62sec  DPE=   798| 6%  DPET=   493  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 492  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 665| 640| 708  Crit= 1330| 1281| 1417|27.8%  Glance= 499|23.9%  Dodge=1.8%
    shadow_bite          Count=150.3| 2.00sec  DPE=  1082| 6%  DPET=   656  DPR=  23.5  pDPS= 543  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 893| 575|1074  Crit= 1787| 1151| 2147|22.9%  Dodge=1.8%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    abyssal_rune                    : start=6.5   refresh=0.0    interval= 49.2|49.2   uptime=21%  trigger=24%
    eradication                     : start=6.0   refresh=1.7    interval= 44.0|33.3   uptime=23%  benefit=25%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                         : start=2.5   refresh=26.5   interval=119.2|10.4   uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0   refresh=265.4  interval=273.7|1.1    uptime=99%
    life_tap_glyph                  : start=4.6   refresh=8.7    interval= 70.3|22.5   uptime=99%  benefit=98%
    lightweave_embroidery           : start=5.2   refresh=0.0    interval= 62.9|62.9   uptime=25%  trigger=35%
    shadow_embrace                  : start=1.5   refresh=116.2  interval=241.2|2.5    uptime=99%  benefit=100%
    shadow_trance                   : start=4.8   refresh=0.4    interval= 47.9|44.6   uptime=10%  benefit= 5%  trigger= 4%
  Procs:
     63.1 |   4.64sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     13.3 |  22.54sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     4543.7 : arcane_torrent        
     6481.0 : blessing_of_wisdom    
    25251.0 : initial_mana          
     4864.5 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    36290.8 : life_tap                (overflow=7.5%)
    14995.2 : replenishment         
      802.8 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=13.3%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       38.1 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.4%)
    10279.3 : initial_mana       
     1748.1 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=56.6%)
       15.7 : mp5_regen            (overflow=99.1%)
       46.2 : replenishment        (overflow=99.2%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.4545  Spi=1.0946  SP=1.6518  Hit=1.1829  Crit=0.9998  Haste=1.5028
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.4545:1.0946:1.6518:1.1829:0.9998:1.5028;
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )
    DPS(Spi)=8205|8235|8259|8281|8314|8324|8355|8360|8401|8417|8442|8468|8496|8512|8535|8558|8583|8609|8628|8658|8663
    DPS(SP)=8111|8147|8163|8207|8237|8272|8307|8344|8376|8403|8442|8480|8509|8545|8578|8607|8652|8678|8704|8744|8776
    DPS(Hit)=8085|8147|8199|8232|8281|8324|8367|8402|8430|8442|8442|8440|8455|8449|8462|8472|8468|8468|8463|8464|8466
    DPS(Crit)=8259|8274|8296|8314|8325|8350|8372|8391|8415|8422|8442|8466|8493|8507|8520|8541|8558|8578|8594|8626|8641
    DPS(Haste)=8169|8187|8219|8243|8277|8300|8339|8366|8388|8418|8442|8478|8500|8538|8556|8603|8625|8649|8672|8710|8741

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem
  Dynamic:
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.0   refresh=87.6   interval=  0.0|2.6    uptime=87%  benefit=88%

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 2095738
  MaxEventQueue = 19
  TargetHealth  = 2777278
  SimSeconds    = 299833
  CpuSeconds    = 2.136
  SpeedUp       = 140371

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000726 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
  Jenerenatest1  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.4545  Spi=1.0946  SP=1.6518  Hit=1.1829  Crit=0.9998  Haste=1.5028  Lag=0.0000

Helter Skelter:

4 piece T9: 6747 dps

DPS Ranking:
   6743 100.0%  Raid
   6747  100.0%  Jenerenanew

Player: Jenerenanew blood_elf warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 6747.4  Error=12.9  Range=619  DPR=29.0  RPS=232.3/228.3  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=19372992
  Core Stats:  strength=317|66(10)  agility=331|79(10)  stamina=1601|1157(1068)  intellect=1434|1200(1038)  spirit=629|448(284)  health=22554|18554  mana=25086|21576
  Spell Stats:  power=3440|2574(2574)  hit=12.39%|12.39%(325)  crit=29.01%|22.61%(629)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=26.66%|21.14%(693)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1183|56(0)  hit=9.91%|9.91%(325)  crit=27.90%|17.89%(629)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=51.99%|21.14%(693)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2732|2228(2070)  blockv=159|33(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: haunt/quick_decay/life_tap/curse_of_exhaustion/drain_soul
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1/arcane_torrent
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  5.5|56.85sec  DPE=102633|28%  DPET= 78458  DPR= 202.4  pDPS=1904  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=121  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=3150|2119|4050  CritTick=6585|4428|8466|45.7%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 13.0|23.39sec  DPE= 11112| 7%  DPET=  9872  DPR=  30.7  pDPS= 483  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=132  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1094|741|1366
    drain_soul           Count=  7.8| 8.05sec  DPE= 24562|10%  DPET=  6794  DPR=  48.4  pDPS= 641  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=12  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=16611|11268|19531
    haunt                Count= 25.4|11.71sec  DPE=  4501| 6%  DPET=  3393  DPR=  10.4  pDPS= 382  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3204|2886|3908  Crit= 6699| 6032| 8167|37.1%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 57.4| 4.48sec  DPE=  7951|23%  DPET=  4070  DPR=  12.1  pDPS=1526  Miss=0.00%  Hit=5676|5167|7143  Crit=11858|10798|14929|36.8%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 17.3|17.00sec  DPE= 16348|14%  DPET= 12398  DPR=  30.1  pDPS= 947  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=76  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2481|1731|3119  CritTick=5183|3618|6518|46.2%
   felhunter  (DPS=865.4)
    felhunter_melee      Count=164.5| 1.81sec  DPE=   803| 7%  DPET=   496  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 441  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 668| 644| 712  Crit= 1337| 1288| 1424|27.8%  Glance= 501|23.9%  Dodge=1.7%
    shadow_bite          Count=118.3| 2.54sec  DPE=  1070| 6%  DPET=   648  DPR=  23.3  pDPS= 423  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 885| 578|1081  Crit= 1768| 1155| 2162|22.8%  Dodge=1.8%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: life_tap_glyph/mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    abyssal_rune                    : start=6.3   refresh=0.0    interval= 50.0|50.0   uptime=21%  trigger=25%
    eradication                     : start=5.7   refresh=1.4    interval= 45.9|35.4   uptime=21%  benefit=23%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                         : start=9.2   refresh=16.2   interval= 33.4|11.7   uptime=91%  benefit=93%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.1   refresh=215.8  interval=168.3|1.4    uptime=99%
    lightweave_embroidery           : start=5.1   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.7|63.7   uptime=25%  trigger=36%
    moving                          : start=10.3  refresh=0.0    interval= 29.9|0.0    uptime=16%
    shadow_embrace                  : start=3.1   refresh=79.8   interval=117.1|3.5    uptime=96%  benefit=98%
    shadow_trance                   : start=4.6   refresh=0.2    interval= 48.8|46.8   uptime= 5%  benefit= 6%  trigger= 4%
    stunned                         : start=5.4   refresh=0.0    interval= 59.8|0.0    uptime= 2%
  Procs:
     49.9 |   5.85sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     46.4 |   6.31sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     4294.2 : arcane_torrent        
     4913.9 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=24.7%)
    25086.0 : initial_mana          
     3846.4 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    43384.0 : life_tap                (overflow=72.3%)
    11308.7 : replenishment           (overflow=24.6%)
      556.1 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=79.2%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       35.7 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.5%)
    10244.6 : initial_mana       
     1371.6 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=59.6%)
       12.4 : mp5_regen            (overflow=99.3%)
       39.7 : replenishment        (overflow=99.4%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.2422  Spi=0.7377  SP=1.4047  Hit=1.0129  Crit=0.7347  Haste=1.2344
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.2422:0.7377:1.4047:1.0129:0.7347:1.2344;
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )
    DPS(Spi)=6602|6629|6624|6649|6654|6676|6690|6706|6714|6730|6747|6764|6783|6784|6814|6813|6843|6854|6872|6894|6893
    DPS(SP)=6480|6503|6542|6549|6584|6617|6637|6668|6704|6715|6747|6784|6811|6828|6841|6866|6906|6926|6964|6989|7036
    DPS(Hit)=6450|6484|6517|6559|6612|6648|6677|6724|6740|6732|6747|6753|6762|6764|6760|6767|6753|6758|6771|6752|6751
    DPS(Crit)=6588|6605|6629|6639|6667|6662|6690|6696|6706|6734|6747|6765|6782|6797|6809|6828|6846|6861|6865|6881|6917
    DPS(Haste)=6466|6497|6533|6553|6574|6616|6646|6654|6685|6713|6747|6768|6789|6829|6854|6871|6901|6924|6949|6973|6998

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem
  Dynamic:
    casting              : start=9.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 30.0|0.0    uptime=10%
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.5   refresh=55.9   interval=264.6|4.5    uptime=89%  benefit=91%
    invulnerable         : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=119.5|0.0    uptime= 3%

Waiting:
     0.2% : Jenerenanew

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 2455387
  MaxEventQueue = 29
  TargetHealth  = 2219181
  SimSeconds    = 299418
  CpuSeconds    = 2.271
  SpeedUp       = 131844

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999796 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000309

Scale Factors:
  Jenerenanew  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.2422  Spi=0.7377  SP=1.4047  Hit=1.0129  Crit=0.7347  Haste=1.2344  Lag=0.0000

Two piece T10: 6773 dps.

DPS Ranking:
   6768 100.0%  Raid
   6773  100.0%  Jenerenatest1

Player: Jenerenatest1 blood_elf warlock affliction 80
  DPS: 6772.7  Error=12.9  Range=641  DPR=28.4  RPS=238.9/234.7  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=19373369#inventory
  Core Stats:  strength=317|66(10)  agility=331|79(10)  stamina=1612|1167(1078)  intellect=1445|1210(1048)  spirit=483|315(151)  health=22664|18654  mana=25251|21726
  Spell Stats:  power=3412|2590(2590)  hit=12.39%|12.39%(325)  crit=29.30%|22.89%(639)  penetration=0|0(0)  haste=31.15%|25.50%(836)  mp5=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats  power=1183|56(0)  hit=9.91%|9.91%(325)  crit=28.12%|18.11%(639)  expertise=0.00|0.00(0)  penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=57.38%|25.50%(836)
  Defense Stats:  armor=2744|2240(2082)  blockv=159|33(0)  defense=0|0(0)  miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
  Glyphs: haunt/quick_decay/life_tap/curse_of_exhaustion/drain_soul
  Priorities:
    flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/spell_stone/fel_armor
    summon_pet,felhunter/snapshot_stats/life_tap,buff_refresh=1/arcane_torrent
    wild_magic_potion,bloodlust=1/haunt,debuff=1/corruption/curse_of_agony
    unstable_affliction/haunt/drain_soul,health_percentage<=25,interrupt=1/shadow_bolt
    life_tap,mana_percentage<=20,buff_refresh=1,moving=1
    corruption,time_to_die>=20,moving=1/curse_of_agony,time_to_die>=30,moving=1
    life_tap
  Actions:
    corruption           Count=  5.8|53.90sec  DPE= 97342|28%  DPET= 76669  DPR= 192.0  pDPS=1890  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=125  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2898|1945|3730  CritTick=6057|4066|7796|51.2%
    curse_of_agony       Count= 13.0|23.31sec  DPE= 10993| 7%  DPET=  9768  DPR=  30.4  pDPS= 479  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=132  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=1084|733|1353
    drain_soul           Count=  8.1| 7.81sec  DPE= 24455|10%  DPET=  6937  DPR=  48.2  pDPS= 661  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=12  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=16405|11110|19307
    haunt                Count= 25.6|11.61sec  DPE=  4463| 6%  DPET=  3466  DPR=  10.3  pDPS= 382  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3173|2855|3872  Crit= 6631| 5966| 8092|37.3%
    shadow_bolt          Count= 59.7| 4.30sec  DPE=  8191|24%  DPET=  4346  DPR=  12.5  pDPS=1636  Miss=0.00%  Hit=5608|5123|7069  Crit=11725|10611|14774|42.2%
    unstable_affliction  Count= 17.4|16.96sec  DPE= 14908|13%  DPET= 11650  DPR=  27.5  pDPS= 866  Miss=0.00%  TickCount=76  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=2266|1544|2849  CritTick=4737|3299|5955|46.3%
   felhunter  (DPS=859.1)
    felhunter_melee      Count=164.2| 1.81sec  DPE=   798| 6%  DPET=   493  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 438  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 665| 640| 708  Crit= 1330| 1281| 1417|27.8%  Glance= 499|24.2%  Dodge=1.7%
    shadow_bite          Count=118.0| 2.54sec  DPE=  1062| 6%  DPET=   643  DPR=  23.1  pDPS= 420  Miss=0.00%  Hit= 878| 575|1074  Crit= 1758| 1151| 2147|22.6%  Dodge=1.8%
  Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
  Constant Buffs: life_tap_glyph/mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
  Dynamic Buffs:
    abyssal_rune                    : start=6.3   refresh=0.0    interval= 49.8|49.8   uptime=21%  trigger=25%
    eradication                     : start=5.9   refresh=1.5    interval= 43.8|33.4   uptime=22%  benefit=24%  trigger= 6%
    haunted                         : start=9.0   refresh=16.6   interval= 33.8|11.6   uptime=91%  benefit=94%
    illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0   refresh=227.6  interval=191.2|1.3    uptime=99%
    lightweave_embroidery           : start=5.1   refresh=0.0    interval= 63.6|63.6   uptime=25%  trigger=36%
    moving                          : start=10.3  refresh=0.0    interval= 30.0|0.0    uptime=16%
    shadow_embrace                  : start=2.9   refresh=82.4   interval=124.0|3.4    uptime=96%  benefit=98%
    shadow_trance                   : start=5.0   refresh=0.2    interval= 46.1|44.1   uptime= 5%  benefit= 6%  trigger= 4%
    stunned                         : start=5.4   refresh=0.0    interval= 59.9|0.0    uptime= 2%
  Procs:
     50.1 |   5.82sec : judgement_of_wisdom
     47.9 |   6.10sec : life_tap
  Gains:
     4336.1 : arcane_torrent        
     4960.4 : blessing_of_wisdom      (overflow=23.9%)
    25251.0 : initial_mana          
     3862.9 : judgement_of_wisdom   
    45042.8 : life_tap                (overflow=68.0%)
    11489.0 : replenishment           (overflow=23.7%)
      429.0 : spirit_intellect_regen  (overflow=78.5%)
  Pet "felhunter" Gains:
       36.4 : blessing_of_wisdom   (overflow=99.4%)
    10279.3 : initial_mana       
     1351.4 : judgement_of_wisdom  (overflow=60.0%)
       12.5 : mp5_regen            (overflow=99.3%)
       40.4 : replenishment        (overflow=99.3%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.3598  Spi=0.8546  SP=1.4368  Hit=0.9350  Crit=0.8797  Haste=1.4787
    Wowhead : http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=9;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=0.3598:0.8546:1.4368:0.9350:0.8797:1.4787;
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )
    DPS(Spi)=6632|6651|6665|6682|6703|6707|6723|6733|6760|6776|6773|6811|6807|6833|6854|6870|6881|6890|6908|6927|6931
    DPS(SP)=6521|6552|6572|6583|6627|6650|6680|6704|6738|6753|6773|6808|6840|6864|6893|6915|6944|6966|7015|7034|7057
    DPS(Hit)=6482|6522|6559|6606|6634|6678|6717|6763|6779|6779|6773|6779|6791|6788|6792|6789|6810|6797|6800|6798|6801
    DPS(Crit)=6627|6640|6658|6674|6694|6709|6716|6732|6755|6769|6773|6810|6821|6829|6841|6871|6872|6889|6910|6919|6939
    DPS(Haste)=6516|6563|6581|6627|6637|6653|6683|6722|6733|6752|6773|6818|6834|6867|6910|6921|6944|6989|6993|7028|7045

Auras and De-Buffs:
  Constant: bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/earth_and_moon/faerie_fire/hunters_mark/improved_scorch/insect_swarm
  Constant: judgement_of_wisdom/leader_of_the_pack/mangle/misery/moonkin/poisoned/sanctified_retribution
  Constant: strength_of_earth/sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff
  Constant: trueshot/windfury_totem
  Dynamic:
    casting              : start=9.9   refresh=0.0    interval= 29.9|0.0    uptime=10%
    improved_shadow_bolt : start=1.5   refresh=58.2   interval=264.5|4.3    uptime=89%  benefit=91%
    invulnerable         : start=3.0   refresh=0.0    interval=120.1|0.0    uptime= 3%

Waiting:
     0.2% : Jenerenatest1

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 2473047
  MaxEventQueue = 29
  TargetHealth  = 2227303
  SimSeconds    = 298948
  CpuSeconds    = 2.301
  SpeedUp       = 129921

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999483 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000788

Scale Factors:
  Jenerenatest1  Sta=0.0000  Int=0.3598  Spi=0.8546  SP=1.4368  Hit=0.9350  Crit=0.8797  Haste=1.4787  Lag=0.0000

I'm a little suprised that there is only a 40 dps increase from swapping from four piece 245 T9 to 251 T10 2 piece. I worked out using scale factors alone that the helm and the shoulders were the biggest upgrades for me, being over a 120 dps increase on stats alone. So does this mean that for affliction locks the two piece T10 bonus is significantly worse than the four piece T9 bonus? I will still have to spend the 155 badges just to get closer to four piece T10 (which i will also test), however i would like to know your views and whether this seems accurate.

Also, the scale factors for the Helter Skelter style fight show that haste is worth slightly more than spell power. Take into account i haven't included shaman buffs in the simulation. Does this mean that for most add-switching fights in ICC i should prioritise haste over anything else?

SP Haste

Patchwerk 2 piece T10 1.6518 1.5028

Helter Skelter 2 piece T10 1.4368 1.478

Thanks.

Datalord · 12/21/09, 7:09 AM

Originally Posted by Jenren22

I'm a little suprised that there is only a 40 dps increase from swapping from four piece 245 T9 to 251 T10 2 piece. I worked out using scale factors alone that the helm and the shoulders were the biggest upgrades for me, being over a 120 dps increase on stats alone. So does this mean that for affliction locks the two piece T10 bonus is significantly worse than the four piece T9 bonus? I will still have to spend the 155 badges just to get closer to four piece T10 (which i will also test), however i would like to know your views and whether this seems accurate.

I'm going to link the results I posted in my guilds forum on the value of warlock tier boni. I don't have the exact profiles for you, but the way I did was low tech: I imported my own profile (pretty much the one you can see on my armory now), renamed the tier items to other names (name change only, no stat changes), then ran it for 0 tier boni, 2T9, 4T9, 2T10 and 4T10. Of course I changed gear for the Demo runs in order to get hit capped. This should very accurately give you the value of the tier bonus, and the results are very interesting for the three specs. Specs used are the standard afflic, demo and destro from the OP.

I did not set an "=" sign on these numbers, as they will scale with gear. Each bonus is of it's own, meaning you will have to add the value of 2p and 4p to get the total set bonus.

Affliction
2T9 ~ 100 dps
4T9 ~ 250 dps

2T10 ~ 100 dps
4T10 ~ 300 dps

Nice to see the T10 bonus is better, but sucks to see the transition is a loss (you drop 4T9 for 2T10), but I guess the increased stats outweigh it.

Demonology

2T9 ~ 170 dps
4T9 ~ 130 dps

2T10 ~ 180 dps
4T10 ~ 350 dps

The T10 is quite a bit better for Demo locks, especially the 2T10 is a noteworthy upgrade to 4T9.

Destruction

2T9 ~ 250 dps
4T9 ~ 120 dps

2T10 ~ 120 dps
4T10 ~ 325 dps

This is basically a perfect upgrade scenario. 2T10 is worth exactly the same as 4T9 for destro locks.

thetrueavatar · 12/21/09, 7:56 AM

Originally Posted by crunchyblack

I am very curious about using dark pact. I got similar results when I simmed these 2 specs. The only difference that I had was between my DarkPact build and yours. I see you still have two points in Improved Lifetap, which is quite a waste considering you're not using it at all. Using dark pact not only (seemingly) gives a DPS increase but also allows us to slide the two points that were in improved life tap, into improved drainsoul, giving us 20% threat reduction. So now the very minor DPS increase has also allowed us to be less worried about threat. This seems like a promising change.

For reference, the two specs I used are as follows:

Dark Pact
The World of Warcraft Armory

Life Tap
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To re-iterate, my sim numbers were very similar to yours, the only difference being that with this DP build we get an addition 20% threat reduction.

That was a copy/paste mistake of the result from simc. My dps test was with the same specs as you but when I have simulate it with scale factos I have probably took the wrong specs.
I totally agree with you that improved LT has to be moved.
- Drain soul is nice for threat. I was wondering if the 14% mana gained from IDS works with adds ont lady deathwhisper. This could be a boost to dps if we could regen mana on add and having only to DP for the buff.
- Fel concentration is nice also for lady deathwhisper and it's shadow bolt, anub'arak...

crunchyblack · 12/21/09, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by thetrueavatar

That was a copy/paste mistake of the result from simc. My dps test was with the same specs as you but when I have simulate it with scale factos I have probably took the wrong specs.
I totally agree with you that improved LT has to be moved.
- Drain soul is nice for threat. I was wondering if the 14% mana gained from IDS works with adds ont lady deathwhisper. This could be a boost to dps if we could regen mana on add and having only to DP for the buff.
- Fel concentration is nice also for lady deathwhisper and it's shadow bolt, anub'arak...

It weird though, because I respecced in game to the dark pact spec and dark pact was only giving me ~3350 mana on use while lifetap was giving me ~3850; keep in mind this was completely un-buffed (selfbuffed). I guess I'm not really sure how dark pact scales, but how is it possible that our sims show DP to be more DPS when it gives less mana?

Also, I'm wondering if pets mana will even be an issue even with the 8% mana return from shadow bite.

thetrueavatar · 12/21/09, 11:42 AM

Those result are for T10 gears and fully buff. I think spell buff are higher than Spirit buff. Indeed you receive a flat 400 sp from demono while you receive only 80 spi from priest+10% from bok. Moreover, 50% of you spirit is converted in sp.

crunchyblack · 12/21/09, 11:53 AM

Yea, but I also tested DP vs LT in my current gear (full 245 ilvl) and DP still came out on top by about 20 DPS. I only have 575 spirit with my felhunter's fel intelligence. Hmmm.

Madlax · 12/21/09, 12:27 PM

I can tell you from the BiS compilation that with equally optimized gear 56_00_15 comes ahead of 55_00_16
http://simulationcraft.googlecode.co...tsall_500.html
It´s likely to see a few changes to "best practice" once we go final with T10 scalings.

turturin · 12/21/09, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ctuchnik

We fought Saurfang tonight and the fel hunter was nearly always at 100% mana. And since I used DP over LT I can tell, that the damage increase is roughly 30-40 DPS.

How can you possibly determine that based on one Sauerfang fight? Did you compare it to a parse where you used LT? Did you isolate the effects of RNG between the two parses? Was the total fight time exactly the same, and your corresponding active time exactly the same?

It seems as though you're actually pulling that number out of you-know-where, disguised as useful information. If not, then please provide the specifics noted above so that we know how you came to this conclusion.

30-40 dps would be worth switching for, so I'm interested to see if your conclusion is actually reliable, even though I suspect it's not.

realCool · 12/22/09, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Datalord

I'm going to link the results I posted in my guilds forum on the value of warlock tier boni. I don't have the exact profiles for you, but the way I did was low tech: I imported my own profile (pretty much the one you can see on my armory now), renamed the tier items to other names (name change only, no stat changes), then ran it for 0 tier boni, 2T9, 4T9, 2T10 and 4T10. Of course I changed gear for the Demo runs in order to get hit capped. This should very accurately give you the value of the tier bonus, and the results are very interesting for the three specs. Specs used are the standard afflic, demo and destro from the OP.

I did not set an "=" sign on these numbers, as they will scale with gear. Each bonus is of it's own, meaning you will have to add the value of 2p and 4p to get the total set bonus.

Affliction
2T9 ~ 100 dps
4T9 ~ 250 dps

2T10 ~ 100 dps
4T10 ~ 300 dps

Nice to see the T10 bonus is better, but sucks to see the transition is a loss (you drop 4T9 for 2T10), but I guess the increased stats outweigh it.

I did the same with my Armory and I got different results:

2T9 = 71 dps
4T9 = 222 dps

2T10 = 135 dps
4t10 = 209 dps

In this case 4T9 would still be slightly better but because of the stat increase you should still switch to T10.
So I wouldn't say that 4T10 is in general better than 4T9 for everybody.

Jenren22 · 12/23/09, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by realCool

In this case 4T9 would still be slightly better but because of the stat increase you should still switch to T10.
So I wouldn't say that 4T10 is in general better than 4T9 for everybody.

Were you using the values for 264 or 251 T10 gear? If 264, then yes, the stats will be superior, but going from 245 to 251 Tier may tell a different story.

dottz · 12/27/09, 6:49 PM

I was just wondering - are these values people are giving for the 2pcT10 bonus, dps increases comparable to those given by rhadatip? Because at the moment rhadatip is moving me towards the belt from frost badges as the best dps increase but i'm keeping an eye on these forums as to whether buying 2 tier pieces which are a downgrade at the moment is worth it in the long run for the bonus.

necro_potence · 12/27/09, 8:52 PM

Originally Posted by dottz

I was just wondering - are these values people are giving for the 2pcT10 bonus, dps increases comparable to those given by rhadatip? Because at the moment rhadatip is moving me towards the belt from frost badges as the best dps increase but i'm keeping an eye on these forums as to whether buying 2 tier pieces which are a downgrade at the moment is worth it in the long run for the bonus.

In the long run obviously getting the tier10 will be worth it. The question here is, should I buy the belt and immediately get the benefit of the extra dps, or should I buy a tier10 item, not use it for a while (assuming that equipping it would break either the 2pt9 or 4pt9 set bonus, which is the reason why rhadatip is moving toward the belt and not the tier10) until I'll get at least 1 more item to finally make it worth it? Personally, as no fight requires these huge dps numbers, I'd invest toward the future and buy a tier10, even if I'd not use it for a while. Use rhadatip with wowequip to see which "path" of upgrades is best for you.