PVE Raiding Compendium V3.1 - Page 30

Spellia · 09/03/09, 6:23 PM

It depends on the fight really, Some fights such as XT will benefit a lot from not LTing. Others, like Yogg-Saron will not benefit as much since you have lots of opportunities to LT without losing dps because you are running.

I personally have ISL all the time, minus special specs for special occasions.

witchedwiz · 09/04/09, 5:43 AM

Originally Posted by Diogenetic

I had an absolute blast with the ToC Faction Champions fight last night, having been assigned to keep the resto druid locked down until we dropped the other healers, and this strategy worked pretty well for me in that role:

Felhunter out, Spell Lock and Devour Magic on manual. Stayed in pve spec (3/13/55) and gear save for swapping in my pvp trinket.

Dropped my port close to the middle, just behind where our hunter kept his frost trap up, and used it exclusively for
kiting the warrior when he targeted me.

Macros:
/cast [target=YOURNAMEHERE] Devour Magic (Primarily to dispell cc off of myself)
/cast [pet:Felhunter,target=focus] Spell Lock (Druid as focus)
Assist macro on a reliable dps, to swap to the current kill target between cc.

CC rotation:
Banish>Banish>Fear>Fear>Spell Lock>Shadowfury

This more or less allowed me to keep him locked down and off dr the entire time, swapping to the kill
target whenever I had the opportunity. Catching other NPCs with the shadowfurys was a nice bonus
whenever they were nearby.

I was surprised at how well this encounter reproduced the arena experience; definitely found myself
thinking in pvp terms for much of it. Exclusively pve players may find themselves a little lost when suddenly
dealing with more unpredictability than they are accustomed.

about faction champions.
atm our guild is struggling a bit with the encounter.. we have downed everything 1 max 2nd try.. the only fight where we struggle weekly (aka it takes 5-6 try every week to settle everything down) is faction champions (heck this week they lasted a ridiculous amount of 16 minutes, since me and other ppls that are usually top dps are on cc//full cc duty..)..
now my gripe: since i'm on resto dood locking i'm finding myself a bit "locked out for the action" (last kill resto dood was the last target, so i was on cc duty pretty much all the fight)..
save for when fear dispeller are gone//shaman is dead i find myself pretty much chain cc-ing the dood with practically no time left to dps.. am i being somewhat slow in swapping target or i can assume that that's kind of normal of just throwing just a few inci every now and then while keeping a full cc cycle (banish, banish, banish, spell-lock, fear, fear, fear, shadowfury if there's still a fear dispel since fear would have lasted too little, rinse) on dood?

Nesee · 09/04/09, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by Spellia

It depends on the fight really, Some fights such as XT will benefit a lot from not LTing. Others, like Yogg-Saron will not benefit as much since you have lots of opportunities to LT without losing dps because you are running.

I personally have ISL all the time, minus special specs for special occasions.

But each spec shout have LT up the entire time for the bonus damage and the rotation is the same. Is the idea that because you have gear that has more hit it tends to have less haste/crit so additional gear needs more haste/crit to make up for it? If that is the case, the suppression spec would do more damage until you needed to LT outside of your rotation right? What duration does a fight have to get to before the suppression spec is gimped by LT'ing more?

Diogenetic · 09/04/09, 8:57 AM

Originally Posted by witchedwiz

...am i being somewhat slow in swapping target or i can assume that that's kind of normal of just throwing just a few inci every now and then while keeping a full cc cycle (banish, banish, banish, spell-lock, fear, fear, fear, shadowfury if there's still a fear dispel since fear would have lasted too little, rinse) on dood?

This has been pretty much the case for me so far; the only time I can reliably get more than a few casts in is
after a fresh non-DRed banish. If you are having problems swapping targets quickly, make an assist macro for one of your dps (generally melee) who are assigned to sit on the kill target the entire time.

Vinclass · 09/04/09, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by witchedwiz

about faction champions.
atm our guild is struggling a bit with the encounter.. we have downed everything 1 max 2nd try.. the only fight where we struggle weekly (aka it takes 5-6 try every week to settle everything down) is faction champions (heck this week they lasted a ridiculous amount of 16 minutes, since me and other ppls that are usually top dps are on cc//full cc duty..)..
now my gripe: since i'm on resto dood locking i'm finding myself a bit "locked out for the action" (last kill resto dood was the last target, so i was on cc duty pretty much all the fight)..
save for when fear dispeller are gone//shaman is dead i find myself pretty much chain cc-ing the dood with practically no time left to dps.. am i being somewhat slow in swapping target or i can assume that that's kind of normal of just throwing just a few inci every now and then while keeping a full cc cycle (banish, banish, banish, spell-lock, fear, fear, fear, shadowfury if there's still a fear dispel since fear would have lasted too little, rinse) on dood?

Witched, every time my group gets the resto druid (to be read, every time we've done it -_-) I use cast focus macros for my CC on the druid. This lets me target the focus fire to continue dps and i weave my CC into my rotation. There's no target changing except when I'm following our main assist to the next target.

If you're curious, my macros are pretty simple and are as follow:

/cast [target=focus] Fear
/cast [target=focus] Banish
/cast [target=focus] Spell Lock (if I have my fel puppy out)

A typical fight starts off with Focusbanish/Immo/Conflag/CB/CoA/Incin/Incin/Focusbanish and it rolls onward. There's zero target changing during my spellweaving. Hope that helps.

Lonecurse · 09/04/09, 8:24 PM

Re: Faction Champions.

I'm hoping we get the druid pretty much all the time. As long as there are no tremor totems down for the champs, a warlock can keep the tree locked down almost all the time. We did ToC10-hard last night and kept the druid out of the game and last to be killed.

It's easy enough with focus target & macro and lets you target the most dangerous opposition damage dealers just that bit quicker.

linelh · 10/01/09, 5:07 AM

deleted (moved to 3.2 discussion)

zootlewurdle2 · 10/01/09, 8:24 AM

Originally Posted by Vinclass

If you're curious, my macros are pretty simple and are as follow:

Which is great, if you're assigned to just controlling one add. If you're having to do several (as I've had to), you need a selection of target specific macros in the form:

/target <target name>
/cast <whatever spell>
/targetlasttarget

and just hope you don't have to refresh them all so often that you actually get to do some DPS, too.

It's a little tedious as you have to tweak or set up the macros after each weekly reset depending on the mobs you get, but if anyone knows a better way to handle such a situation I'd be keen to know.

Skellingtoon · 10/07/09, 1:48 AM

Having done a lot of research, I thought I would add this to this thread - perhaps the original poster could incorporate it in the Gear choices section of the two destro specs? (Max dps and rdps). Also, the wowhead gear links seem to be broken.

Gemming for Destro.
Unless the socket bonus is +7 spell power or better, you want to gem Runed Cardinal Ruby, (red) +23 Spell Power.
Best red gem: RCR.
Best yellow gem: Reckless Ametrine (orange) + 12 spell power, +10 Haste
Best blue gem: Purified Dreadstone (purple) + 12 spell power, +10 spirit.
Best meta: Chaotic Skyflare/ Diamond: +21 Crit, 3% increased crit damage.
This requires 2 blue gems, so gem one into your un-coloured socket in your belt, and one wherever it fits.

I can't speak for affliction or demo specs, but this works for destro.

mwaf · 10/07/09, 3:48 AM

Originally Posted by Skellingtoon

This requires 2 blue gems, so gem one into your un-coloured socket in your belt, and one wherever it fits.

No, don't put a blue gem in the belt buckle. Put both purified gems where it gets you another socket bonus. Like the T9 chest and the T9 head.

kenneth20001 · 10/15/09, 2:24 AM

hi im
Deep destro

i dont get it why we need to use Curse of Doom 60 seconds in Rotation last day did use COD in 25 mans raid and DoomGuard did come now we need to that too? will COE not be better to use.

and Glyphs

•Glyph of Life Tap This new glyph massively boosts our dps and gets worked into our cycle.
•Glyph of Conflagrate Add in this to the new Conflag glyph is self explanatory.
•Glyph of Immolate It boosts immolate's damage, as well as conflag's, double win!
use Glyph of Incinerate until you can attain Glyph of Lifetap.

will Incinerate not be alot better in Immolate for we are useing Incinerate alot more?

hope someone can help me im lost :O)

Profa · 10/15/09, 2:32 AM

Originally Posted by kenneth20001

hi im
Deep destro

i dont get it why we need to use Curse of Doom 60 seconds in Rotation last day did use COD in 25 mans raid and DoomGuard did come now we need to that too? will COE not be better to use.

and Glyphs

•Glyph of Life Tap This new glyph massively boosts our dps and gets worked into our cycle.
•Glyph of Conflagrate Add in this to the new Conflag glyph is self explanatory.
•Glyph of Immolate It boosts immolate's damage, as well as conflag's, double win!
use Glyph of Incinerate until you can attain Glyph of Lifetap.

will Incinerate not be alot better in Immolate for we are useing Incinerate alot more?

hope someone can help me im lost :O)

-you should only use CoE if there is no +13% SP debuff on the target (provided by Moonkin, Death Knight or another warlock).

-Immolate vs. Incinerate - I use Incinerate glyph and I guess it has a little more damage then when you use Immolate glyph. The difference should be insignificant.

Also you might want to look in the forums history, since these questions have already been answered somewhere else.

Indaria · 10/15/09, 8:07 AM

Originally Posted by kenneth20001

hi im
Deep destro

i dont get it why we need to use Curse of Doom 60 seconds in Rotation last day did use COD in 25 mans raid and DoomGuard did come now we need to that too? will COE not be better to use.

and Glyphs

•Glyph of Life Tap This new glyph massively boosts our dps and gets worked into our cycle.
•Glyph of Conflagrate Add in this to the new Conflag glyph is self explanatory.
•Glyph of Immolate It boosts immolate's damage, as well as conflag's, double win!
use Glyph of Incinerate until you can attain Glyph of Lifetap.

will Incinerate not be alot better in Immolate for we are useing Incinerate alot more?

hope someone can help me im lost :O)

This thread is for patch 3.1
Since then, Life Tap glyph changed, gear scaling evolved and Conflagrate has been reworked (not sure if the change to Conflagrate is reflected upon in original post).
In short, you should use Life Tap, Conflagrate and Incinerate. The long answer would be to consult http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-s...s_3_3_numbers/, with the software you can verify the efficiency of different glyphs yourself (or just use what's suggested in the profiles in the original post).

• bartolimu · 10/15/09, 10:52 AM

Indaria brings up a good point. If someone wants to make a 3.3 Raiding thread, feel free. This one's lived out its usefulness and is just serving as a place for lazy people to beg for help.