Bloch

No, you've got this right. I'm just referencing situations where perhaps you just refreshed CoD and then CFed, with the imp critically striking during the CoD GCD, or via the situation you described where the imp critically hits between a cast and CF. One situation where I found this happening several times was HM AoI, where I was assigned to keep up CoT on Stormcaller. In any event, the DPS increase is minor at best.

 

Bloch

I have been toying with this idea as well. The imp is a source of significant damage for us (mine does about 600 dps) and gives us a great crit proc, so if he were to die, our DPS goes down quite a bit. Since I almost always have soul link up (I'm not sure how many other locks do at the moment, seeing as 3.2 is barely 2 days old), it might not be a bad investment just as an insurance policy. I'd probably go with one here over Destructive Reach, just because this represents a DPS-saver in case something unfortunate happens to your imp or the RNG engine decides to hate on you.

 

Varney

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arithrael

I tried testing my gear into simcraft to see how much of a dps loss 0/56/15 is rather then 0/13/58. Now im not sure if i edited into simcraft correctly but this is what i did. I took the tier 8 0/13/58 and 0/56/15 specs and in the gear codes i replaced the name of the gear and stats to exactly match mine, as well as coding the trinkets.
The World of Warcraft Armory
that is my gear and the gear i used to run simcraft. My data came out as...
Destro with 6850 dps and Demo with 6662 dps, i guess im just wondering does this data sound correct? or is it off?

 

dedmonwakeen

There was a recently fixed bug affecting Destro performance. I'll have a new release shortly.

EDIT: New release is out.

For the kind of experimentation you are doing, I recommend going to wowhead profiler, sync-ing your char, and then doing a "Save As". This will give you a new profile ID number. Edit your profile as necessary. Save.

From there you can create config files with just one line: wowhead=123456789 (use your ID number)

Or you can just run it from the command line: simcraft.exe wowhead=ID html=test.html

http://code.google.com/p/simulationcraft

 

Naforce

I played naxx25 yesterday, and with my ulduar hardmode spec with a few pieces from BiS and without any demonic pact nor 3% hit debuff on the bosses I managed to dish out over 8k damage on a few bosses, 8.3k on patchwerk, who basically just is a big dummy. I'm quite suprised by these results considering that i wasn't fully buffed, I wonder what numbers one might see with full buffs! I'm guessing the pet hit scaling is quite valuable!

 

mannaroth

Do you have any parses of this?

 

Naforce

Unfortunately we never use WoL or anything of the like for those kinds of runs, all I have is this screenshot of when pw died. I took a screenshot as I was suprised about the actual dps output. With a fully dps-oriented spec I should've been able to dish out a little bit more!

 

Bloch

What spec were you in at this time? Not to be a downer or anything, but most warlock DPS on patch in BiS Ulduar gear tends to be around ~7k, especially with no Misery/E&M on the target.

Also, please post the SS with the recount (or whatever comparable mod you use) showing.

 

Naforce

the screenshot is there, click on the word "this" in my previous post. I was playing my destruction spec from armory, this spec.

 

Bloch

Naforce, thank you very much. I have one final question: do you happen to have an SS from a pre-3.2 Patch fight, or at least an idea of the DPS you did during one?

And as an aside, what mod are you using that shows your conflag and CB spells? It is located about 1/3 of the way up in the center of your SS.

 

Orgath

The screenshot is linked in his post.
High Raid DPS = short fight time = bigger % effect of Berserk = higher personal DPS

for a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest - Simon & Garfunkel

 

Naforce

Got slightly above 8k on grobbulus aswell, without heroism. Did not take a screenshot of that though as we were just speeding through naxx. Just trying to make a point that there is huge dpspotential in destruction, possibly more then simulationcraft suggests!

 

Nnayr

A few pieces of hardmode loot? you have everything minus fl boots.

 

turturin

Without a combat parse its very difficult to take anything meaningful from your screenshot. I'm not even sure your results are an outlier given the uptime of heroism on your short kill, but there are other things (crit rate in particular) that could easily skew your dps number given the small time-scale on which you're being measured.

I did 5.3k dps on a target dummy once over about 2.5 minutes of casting....taking that as an indication of anything is specious, especially since I know if I repeat the test I'd likely regress toward my mean result of around 4.4k.

Since you don't have a parse, try repeating the test (with screenshots) for the next 2-3 weeks and posting your results.

 

Hawkins

What about the 00/22/49 config after 3.2 patch??

is better than the 00/13/58????

 

Xera81

Simcraft it and find out.
Only with less questionmarks.

 

AFCaver

Check out the new simcraft 300 more dps for changing Glyph of Immolate to Glyph of Lifetap.

SampleOutputT8 - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code

 

mjball

Not to latch onto the wrong thing here, but do I correctly see that imp scorch and imp shadow bolt are both up? In a real (correctly coordinated) raid situation, there should only be one or the other.

 

Malevolence

I would assume Incinerate would win hands down as it's such a large contributor to your overall output. Although Immolate does have a much higher priority.

 

Tinava

Consider your tier bonuses too. If you have 4 t8, you'd want both because you get bonuses for both incin and immo. With 2pc T9, you'd likely be able to drop the incin in favor of Life Tap.

 

Dalmasca

I believe the addon is CoolLine, found at wowinterface.com. It's derived from the cooldown component of the ForteXorcist package of addons.

 

mjball

I thought that GoLT was better (with 3.2) than GoImm despite the 2pc T8. What gives?

 

Tinava

According to simcraft via mwaf's modeling here, top dps with BiS T8 (which would be 4pc T8 if I'm not mistaken), you would run glyphs of conflag, incin and lifetap. While Immo is a great glyph, with 4pc T8, incinerate gives you more bang for your buck, and lifetap just adds to that. When the set bonus is broken, however, I could see that changing since you would not have the bonuses to incinerate.

But as you can see from the spread of dps, there isn't a huge difference via the sims.

 

meingaree

I'm sorry, but maybe i'm missing something here.

If spellpower is worth roughly 1.6dps per, then how is it possible to gain 300dps using glyph of life tap?

it would give roughly 120-150 spellpower at 600spirit or so buffed, that would be around 192-240 dps gain, IF you had NO glyph in that slot from before.


so how is it possible to gain 300dps from switching glyphs, much less getting that much from the glyph alone.