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Old 07/03/09, 12:02 AM   #26
Raugturi
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Lightbringer
Originally Posted by VenomByte View Post
If you run the app with the default affliction settings, with head slot locked to 'Enamored Cowl', you will see it gemmed with a Shining Forest Emerald - Item - World of Warcraft. This fills 1 blue gem towards the meta requirement, as well as completing the +9sp yellow socket bonus and giving the last few hit points needed to get over the cap. I cannot be 100% sure the calculation was bug free, but logically I can't fault the decision to put a green gem there. This is admittedly a rare situation, but one worth considering.

Thoughts?
The problem with I am seeing is that even in situations where it has 2 or more blue sockets already gemmed with [Purified Twilight Opal] I am getting a [Shining Forest Emerald] in one blue or yellow socket. If you leave all gear available and the current stat weights from http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-s...ost_3_1_specs/ for 0/13/58 the set it returns has [Boots of Fiery Resolution] with a [Runed Scarlet Ruby] and a [Shining Forest Emerald] (Full set it returns here: OptiGear profile on WoWHead). However, there are already 3 blue sockets being filled with [Purified Twilight Opal], so the meta requirement is more than met. In that situation the correct gemming would be to use a single [Veiled Monarch Topaz] in one of the yellow sockets, otherwise you are giving up 9sp for 8 haste (Moving the emerald to a blue socket would give up 9sp for 8 haste also as it frees up a yellow socket for a reckless rather than veiled).

So, you may be right that [Shining Forest Emerald] has a niche in sets with <2 blue sockets available that also requires some hit rating from gems to reach the cap. But right now the tool is using it when there are better options available.

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Old 07/03/09, 5:32 AM   #27
VenomByte
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Yas, there was an issue with the app overgemming for meta requirements. Someone else picked up on this too.

I believe it's now fixed in the latest version

v0.64 3/7/09
- adjusted default profile weights to match simcraft
- fixed meta requirement overgemming bug
 
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Old 07/03/09, 6:35 AM   #28
Xera81
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You have the basis of a very handy little app here. Once the basic mathematical bugs have been ironed out, the main issue is a little bit of polish.

Echoing others sentiment:
- Whitelist - Selectable Tiers of items available. e.g Non hard mode items for 25 man or Certain bosses like Algalons tables to be ignored (I am unlikely to get Starshard edge or any of his items in the coming weeks ) . See Rawr for how they implemented this.
- Format for display of items. A classic view as shown in the armoury, or again Rawr would be nice.
- Ability to further whitelist a selection of items for optimization with a simple flag. rather than having to pick through the entire loot table.
- Ability to save a profile.
- Ability to input your own stat weights, this allows who are not sold on the static stat weight concept free reign to calculate their own scales. (May also make the app easier to maintain).
- Mouseover tooltips (Wowhead)
- Cold beer dispenser.

Hope this helps, as I would look forward to seeing some or all of this implemented in your application
 
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Old 07/04/09, 2:30 PM   #29
AquentVP
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App seems very handy and easy to use, but I'm finding that, with or without the "Force hit rating" box checked, the app is overstating my hit.

For example, with “Force hit rating” checked, and “Target Hit Rating” at 368, the app states that my “Total hit” will be 375, but with the recommended gear/gems, my actual hit is at 332.

By swapping the recommended trinket “Dying Curse” with “Elemental Focus Stone” I’m at 369.

I see from previous posts that trinkets are treated differently. Could that be the issue?
 
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Old 07/04/09, 6:29 PM   #30
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I haven't seen that with any of the settings I've tested so far. Can you tell me what settings you're running the search with (or send a screenshot) so I can repeat it for debugging? Also confirm you're running the latest version, currently v0.64.
 
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Old 07/04/09, 8:05 PM   #31
AquentVP
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Originally Posted by VenomByte View Post
I haven't seen that with any of the settings I've tested so far. Can you tell me what settings you're running the search with (or send a screenshot) so I can repeat it for debugging? Also confirm you're running the latest version, currently v0.64.
Sure, does this help?



 
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Old 07/05/09, 6:27 AM   #32
Kryptik
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Originally Posted by AquentVP View Post
App seems very handy and easy to use, but I'm finding that, with or without the "Force hit rating" box checked, the app is overstating my hit.

For example, with “Force hit rating” checked, and “Target Hit Rating” at 368, the app states that my “Total hit” will be 375, but with the recommended gear/gems, my actual hit is at 332.

By swapping the recommended trinket “Dying Curse” with “Elemental Focus Stone” I’m at 369.

I see from previous posts that trinkets are treated differently. Could that be the issue?
Where are you getting 332? I just added them up myself and got 375.

Neck: 33
Shoulders: 35
Chest: 73
Offhand: 41
Wand: 27
Gloves: 59
Trinket: 71

Enchants: 12
Gems: 24

Total = 375
 
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Old 07/05/09, 6:09 PM   #33
t6rvik
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I got a problem. When i try to run the ,exe a error pops up saying "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135)". If someone knows how to solve this problem i would be grateful.
 
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Old 07/06/09, 5:39 PM   #34
Nevinyrral
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Shattered Hand
Haven't played around with it too much but I did notice that it is missing a piece of 25 Algalon gear. The Starwatchers Bindings.
Waist
182 Armor
+82 Stamina
+69 Intellect
+64 Spirit
Yellow Socket
Yellow Socket
Socket Bonus: +7 Spell Power
# Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 47.
Equip: Increases spell power by 92.

The piece does not seem to be in wowhead but is posted in wowwiki and mmochamps.
Starwatcher's Binding - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft
 
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Old 07/06/09, 9:13 PM   #35
shauno
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Saurfang
Cool stuff VenomByte - I never did finish tackling my own application, I had to start it from scratch to fix some major problems that kept cropping up. I ended up tweaking mine to include Jewelcrafting (since I'm a JC myself) but it becomes a slow process.
 
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Old 07/07/09, 4:27 AM   #36
téhanu
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Nice application. Do you plan on converting it for Mac?
 
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Old 07/07/09, 5:02 AM   #37
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Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by téhanu View Post
Nice application. Do you plan on converting it for Mac?
It would be, in my opinion a better idea to create either a java based app or a web based version, but the back end of that would be so large, any ways, converting to mac wouldn't be excessively difficult do to the setup options mostly being xml, just getting the front end ui in place would be the issue.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.
 
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Old 07/07/09, 3:08 PM   #38
Charming
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Cho'gall
Originally Posted by supplicium View Post
It would be, in my opinion a better idea to create either a java based app or a web based version, but the back end of that would be so large, any ways, converting to mac wouldn't be excessively difficult do to the setup options mostly being xml, just getting the front end ui in place would be the issue.
Another option would be to provide the source code, excluding the GUI, so users can compile on whichever platform they wish. Maybe some zealous Cocoa programmer will intervene for the Mac users out there
 
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Old 07/07/09, 10:22 PM   #39
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Can you fix the bug with the enchant on a 2h weapon. Comes up with bug error and asking to either ignore the error and the command i gave it or for it to just quit.

If it helps. i put in icecorestaff 2h weapon and wouldnt let me staff enchant it
 
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Old 07/07/09, 11:38 PM   #40
ArethorCM
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Stormrage
I was recently playing with this awesome app and noticed that [Embrace of the Spider] appears to be missing from the list. I figured it would have an affect on gearsets for both myself and others.

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Old 07/08/09, 4:53 AM   #41
t6rvik
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Could you add [Sundial of the Exiled] to the trinket list also.

Maybe its a stupid question, but the number before the item indicates what ?
Also maybe its too much asked, but could you add the option of saving the gear, because everytime i activate the add the list is reseted
 
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Old 07/08/09, 9:49 AM   #42
VenomByte
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Originally Posted by t6rvik View Post
Maybe its a stupid question, but the number before the item indicates what ?
It's the amount of +hit you get from that gear, including gems (but not including socket bonuses, due to a known bug). It's just a quick reference which I found very handy whilst testing, and have opted to leave in for now.
 
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Old 07/08/09, 8:12 PM   #43
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I found an interesting bug, I'll take an SS if you like, but if you set your hit cap to say, a pure 17% (about 445) the hit from gear maxes at 400. IE it either doesn't show or won't go above 400hit.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.
 
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Old 07/08/09, 10:05 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Xera81 View Post
- Whitelist - Selectable Tiers of items available. e.g Non hard mode items for 25 man or Certain bosses like Algalons tables to be ignored (I am unlikely to get Starshard edge or any of his items in the coming weeks ) . See Rawr for how they implemented this.
- Ability to further whitelist a selection of items for optimization with a simple flag. rather than having to pick through the entire loot table.
- Ability to save a profile.
These! Please? Whitelisting would be a much bigger deal for usability than UI/display.
And the ability to copy/paste the results.

I would like to say, Love it! I got halfway through making my own version of this, but got bored and had to get back to work :P.
 
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Old 07/09/09, 2:53 AM   #45
sephx
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Kalecgos
No offense, this will and could be a great app but Rawr has been developed for this and does quite a bit better job of gear optimization and also lists out all the gear upgrades you need and by how much dps it will increase your dps by. Also it allows you to load in your profile including all the gear you have in your bank, inventory and equipped.

But don't be discouraged, one day this could be just as great of an app.
 
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Old 07/09/09, 4:28 AM   #46
robmoss2k
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Originally Posted by sephx View Post
Rawr has been developed for this and does quite a bit better job of gear optimization
This clearly isn't true. Conflag doesn't hit for 40k, like Rawr says it does. Haste isn't a completely useless stat, and spirit isn't your strongest stat. The warlock module of Rawr is largely useless at the moment unless you're affliction.
 
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Old 07/09/09, 8:53 AM   #47
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afaik, There is no official maintainer of the warlock model in Rawr. So event the application looks nice it's useless for us.
 
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Old 07/09/09, 11:00 AM   #48
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The attached profiles.xml contains all scaling factors from the builds in the simcraft thread. I also added Embrace of the Spider and Sundial to the trinkets. The trinket values where taken from the Trinket Discussion thread.
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File Type: zip OptiGear.zip (1.3 KB, 418 views)
 
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Old 07/10/09, 10:45 AM   #49
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In my opinion very useful for some quick results, thanks for the work.
Two things that should be relatively easy to implement and very helpful:
When trying to find good improvements for my own gear, I'd like to fix some items directly, even if there is a better item out there. It would be very helpful if you could just mark an item as irreplacable.
Another thing is saving new weights - right now, I'm editing the xmls by hand.
 
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Old 07/10/09, 12:43 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by BugRoger View Post
The attached profiles.xml contains all scaling factors from the builds in the simcraft thread. I also added Embrace of the Spider and Sundial to the trinkets. The trinket values where taken from the Trinket Discussion thread.
I was perusing through the trinket values in the included XML file and was curious as to why the [Elemental Focus Stone]'s proc is weighted as spellpower while the [Embrace of the Spider]'s proc is weighted as Spirit and Haste. Is this just an error or is there something going on here that I should probably know about?

Edit: Diddling item tags, I'm new to posting. Long time lurker.
 
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