3.3 Compendium - Page 11

Malevolence · 03/09/10, 1:20 AM

As i understand it with the impending Life Tap Change; Spirit is going to Amplify the damage we take without having any bearing at all to the mana we gain.

If that's the case, It seems that both Affliction specs will favor Crit over Spirit?

Also; In a Raid Situation with BiS Affliction gear, is it going to be worth removing the point from Amplify curse as we'll be able to hit 50% Haste in raid (Provided Wrath of Air & Imp Moonkin Aura are available).

I love the work you've done Madlax.

matornot · 03/09/10, 5:46 AM

Originally Posted by Madlax

Imp and Immolate are within very small range, it literally doesn't matter which of the 2 you take.

In this case might I suggest going with Immolate in the event that your imp dies, or if you get Rebirthed or SSed and lose your imp?

MRR · 03/09/10, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by Malevolence

As i understand it with the impending Life Tap Change; Spirit is going to Amplify the damage we take without having any bearing at all to the mana we gain.

I was very highly skeptical of this when I saw it in the patch notes. The higher your spirit, the more damage you take - the change effectively punishes you for having spirit on your gear. Either someone overlooked this in design or the WoW designers have some very strange ideas for warlock itemization. If anything I think the damage you take ought to be a static number that's reduced by the amount of spirit you have on your gear, but...

Originally Posted by Shelak

We have difficulties killing them with firemage and me in our 10man. We noticed that they explode after a certain time too. Is it even possible to kill them all with this combo because of the aoe not hitting very hard?

You don't need to kill all of the vile spirits before they descend. Killing off a bunch of them helps a lot, but it's expected that your raid is supposed to spread out and run from them most of the time. The damage isn't enough to one-shot anyone, so as long as you don't have people taking 4 or 5 at once you should be fine. Kill off and damage what you can, and then just focus on running away.

Madlax · 03/11/10, 4:36 PM

Take this with a lot of salt:

I have not yet played much with other gear sets, but phyl/dfo is beating out nmic/dfo finally.
550016 with crit gear(c) still is slightly behind DP.
NMIC is still a powerful trinket, IF the fight allows you to utilize its full power, keep that in mind.

There is really not much surprising or to be said about this right now, let's see if the LT changes stay final as they are.
These results only show that there is a minor difference between spirit/crit gearing(yes, I heard you sigh of relieve there).

Naforce · 03/11/10, 5:25 PM

is this with the 3.3.3 phylactery stats or the current ones?

Madlax · 03/11/10, 5:30 PM

3.3.3 phyl with 30% procc and 100sec ICD(contrary to the 10%/90sec wowhead data)

• Hamlet · 03/11/10, 5:32 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax

3.3.3 phyl with 30% procc and 100sec ICD(contrary to the 10%/90sec wowhead data)

Do you have the data for that handy? Also, do you happen to have the 3.3.3 spellpower values for the trinket proc?

Madlax · 03/11/10, 5:35 PM

Issue 211 - simulationcraft - Warlock T10 profiles - Project Hosting on Google Code
#32/#35
or
PTR confirmed:
Phyl_264 from 918 -> 1073
[Phylactery of the Nameless Lich]
PTR

Phyl_277 from 1032 -> 1206
[Phylactery of the Nameless Lich]
PTR

However Phylactery seems to have an internal CD of 100s (see wowhead comments for it
and a friend tested it on several training dummys) and a proc chance of 30%
(Item - Icecrown 25 Normal Caster Trinket 2 - Spell - World of Warcraft). This should change the results a bit.
Phylactery of the Nameless Lich - Item - World of Warcraft

• Hamlet · 03/11/10, 5:40 PM

It's always had a listed 30% proc chance in the wowhead data; I remember that from when I first put it into the Moonkin spreadsheet.

Presumably it's always been a 100s ICD, and caster theorycrafters (myself included) had assumed 90s in advance and never tested probably.

Naforce · 03/11/10, 5:58 PM

I can confirm this after several tests. 100 sec ICD! I didn't fraps or so but I used the in-game stopwatch and several bossdummies for maximum uptime.

• Hamlet · 03/11/10, 6:01 PM

Originally Posted by Naforce

I can confirm this after several tests. 100 sec ICD! I didn't fraps or so but I used the in-game stopwatch and several bossdummies for maximum uptime.

Funny, so now it's around as good as we thought it was with a 90s cooldown. Using a 6s mean proc time for Moonkin, I get mean spellpower values of 202 and 227, very close to what I'd had before.

Naforce · 03/11/10, 6:06 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

Funny, so now it's around as good as we thought it was with a 90s cooldown. Using a 6s mean proc time for Moonkin, I get mean spellpower values of 202 and 227, very close to what I'd had before.

I think you're doing the calculation wrong. (Uptime/((icd-uptime) + mean proc time))*spellpower.
(20/(80+6))*1073=249 avg sp
(20/(80+6))*1206=280 avg sp

Either that or I misunderstood you!

Madlax · 03/22/10, 9:24 AM

3.3.3 forecast for this week(current BiS profiles with a few changes on the min/maxing side)
3.3.2 results:

3.3.3 results:

c represents the whole gear set switched from spirit to crit.
I´m still not sure how/if the Life Tap changes are final and implemented as they are in simcraft - but that would not change things much.
Immolate Glyph on both Destruction profiles.

Mulock · 03/23/10, 12:29 PM

This post might fit best here in the compendium but perhaps it would be a good new thread by itself. A lot of warlocks are switching specs for different fights in icc regular and heroic. For example I see destro perhaps being better than affliction on Dreamwalker for the burst on mobs that die relatively quickly (but not clumped up for AoE). Switching to Affliction on Sindragosa seems to make sense for other reasons. I'm sure the demos will want to pipe in on where they shine as well, I imagine BQ is a good place for either demo or affliction because of execute phases while being bitten.

If enough people are interested in making this a detailed thread we could start with heroic Marrowgar which I think could incite some debate. Affliction seems pure win however if your raid comp is light on ranged an argument for destro burst can come into play. For example during bone storm there were a few times (not just one oh crap moment) where I was only 1 of 2 people that could reach a bone spike due to cold flames cutting people off and having burst was nice. Also if you do play affliction on Marrowgar, do you ask to be on boss the entire time granted plenty of others are assigned to spikes?

Hope to see some discussion on this and ideas like swapping to destro when the doomguard is down and if a certain wing order is good for that swapping.

agromenix · 03/23/10, 3:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mulock

This post might fit best here in the compendium but perhaps it would be a good new thread by itself. A lot of warlocks are switching specs for different fights in icc regular and heroic...

FYI, discussing which spec is best on which ICC fight has been coming up on The Warlock's Den of late. Here's one of many posts on the topic, with a decent summary of 1 lock's choices.

ICC, Afflic vs. Destruction