Looks like i can confirm the first point - got to 25.07% with a haste potion and corruption ticked 8 times.

As noted in my previous post - recasting fresh corruption over an old one adds the duration upto next tick(and the tick too, of course) of the old one to the full duration of the new one, so following your instructions i got 12 ticks over ~36 seconds as expected.


It seemed terribly bugged last i checked(servers are down at the moment) it never procced of off imps firebolts for me, it did *sometimes* of my soulfires though, but the overall damage of the dot doing twice the damage of soulfire itself couldn't be working as intended so i stopped there. As far as i remember it worked similarly to mage ignite - every cast added some more damage to the dot, didn't check what happens to its duration.

Well I think you can also use Shadowburn on adds/other mobs and "refresh" your shards during a combat.

Here are few combatlog snippets of me having fun with soulfire - as the imp part of Burning Embers doesn't work yet. Was unbuffed, petless, without any gear with procs. I did all the tests with my 82 lvl warlock, 3324 spellpower and 15.47% haste, but burning ember doesn't scale with haste at the moment as it always ticked 8 times - naked or upto 26.66% haste, which is weird by itself too as tooltip of both the dot and the talent would suggest 7 ticks over 7 seconds.

Burning Embers ingame description says "Your Soulfire and your Imp's firebolt cause a Burning Ember damage-over-time effect on the target equal to 30% of the damage done lasting 7 sec. The damage done by your Burning Ember effect cannot exceed 822 total damage." Looks like that last bit - total damage - scales with spell power for 1 extra every 5 spell power and has a base of around 157.

It looks too that 1 of the bugs present is that it ticks for 30% of the damage per tick for 7 ticks, instead of 30% over all 7 of them or in other words ~4.3% per tick. Crits don't work as they should aswell as they go way past the cap (which is different than what the talent tooltip states mind you) and when refreshed -- ticks go way down back to the cap.

Yes, crit multiplier is way higher than expected for all of our spells at the moment.


Now, them logs! Without all the soul leech/replenishment/soulburn spam that i deleted for your viewing pleasure.

Soul fire hit:
Soul fire crit:
Soul fire refreshed by a soulburned soul fire hit:
Soul fire crit refreshed by a soulburned soul fire hit:
Soul fire crit refreshed by a soulburned soul fire crit:
Soulfire spam:

Soulswap^:

Does it currently have a travel time or is it instant inhale / exhale ?

Since it doesn't transfer haunt, SE and ISB, it might be an idea to SS number 1 (inhale), swap your target, cast haunt and during the travel time, you SS number 2 (exhale)... therefore requiring haunt to be off CD.

The extra damage from haunt would be too important to just let go for a soulswap exhale THEN haunt cast time then haunt travel time.

I still think you should take into account with SS that for 1 GCD ALL your dots will be up on a new target, ready to damage, reducing rampup time.
Instead of:
... it'll be like this:
The first 6 sec in both tables you can see that the first table has 4 ticks where the second table has 6 ticks. It's not significant, but it's there.

(simplified purposes only, all dots tick every 3 sec, with no haste, no haunt, no special rotation, just to make a point)

Think about PvP as well.

Saving those GCDs in a PvP situation is going to be killer for fast target swaps away to a new target or from a target who is running out of range or LoS. You could wait for healers to come out of hiding, then do a quick swap of all your dots before they leave sight again. You could perform good fakes this way by dotting up pets and such, then inhaling off of them. It might even be an efficient way to refresh all your dots on the move, depending on the situation.

I agree, though, that it would be nice if it transferred Haunt and/or Imp Shadow Bolt.

Has anyone thought about the Voidwalker's Demon Soul? I was considering a few possibilities that could be useful in pve for threat management/other...

1) As either of the threat-heavy specs, starting a fight with VW's Demon Soul should make it so you never have to look at Omen for the rest of the fight. Assuming that the damage lost from lack of a real pet is less than the potential damage gained from breaking the "threat barrier", this would be a viable strategy if burst threat is a big issue in cata. One more thing you'd have to consider is the Soul Burn required to summon your real pet once the 15 sec of Demon Soul is up.

2) The one I'm really curious about is having your VW actually tank bosses in instances. The lack of tank would mean an added DPS to shorten fights, and the healer would be helped out by your Fel Synergy. The Improved Soul Fire would kick his threat generation into overdrive while he also built his own with the redesigned Suffering or Torment or whatever it is. If/when you catch up on threat, you could always slow down DPS and start spamming Health Funnel to make up for the lost Fel Synergy. If dungeons are designed to disallow this kind of strategy, I would think that once we get to end-game gear our VW's stats will be so scaled up that it might work in heroic dungeons, which would make our daily randoms quicker. Hell, even in LK some of us have been tanking heroics in demo spec.

Anyway, this is all wild theorycrafting, and maybe I'm just a little too excited for cata, but I'm curious to see what we can do with our new abilities

I kinda like it, but it seems a bit strange to have corruption on all the mobs and then they want us to continue spamming SoC and overwrite it?
Maybe they should make the corruptions triggered by SB-SoC not overwritable nor refreshable(with everlasting corr.). That would make more sense.

You can always just spam SoC on one mob and only loose the corruption on that one.
Since you get the soul shard back, it's basically just extra damage for free.

I would imagine the PvP potential is higher than PvE. Focus-firing someone, and now everyone else close has Corruption on them? Annoying as hell.

I think you missed the "at or above 80%" part of improved soulfire. No idea if soulfire will be best used on its own, or it would be more beneficial for you to wait for empowered imp proc(and potentially waste a bit of uptime). There's soulburn too. Kinda too early to talk about numbers and some kind of rotation - it's a priority list anyways - when everything is still up in the air(glyphs included). Luckily there's Simulationcraft and it'll answer all those questions as always.

Bane of Havoc as implemented at the moment won't be included in that priority list. It doesn't transfer the damage you do to the same target you have your bane on. Thankfully, as that would be a no-brainer 15% damage boost with a single gcd, and at the moment it is actually a decision you have to make. Hopefully they'll leave that part alone. Might need a bit of % tweaking though, so it's actually useful in more fights then those with rather high uptime of secondary targets, but that depends on how often they actually want us to use it.

As far as I know nothing changed and you still shouldn't cast conflagrate after immolate - theres this pesky downtime when your client is comunicating with the server before it knows you can actually conflagrate. Try immo>cb>conflag instead.