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Old 10/12/10, 12:45 PM   #316
Calidus
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AoE and Adds in 4.0 and Cata

Affliction will get the added bonus of SB:SoC. Demo will have meta -> Immolation aura-> hell fire. Destro will have rain of fire, but Soul Burn might make things every interesting with the ability to get 3 soul shards(which translate into 3 instant soul fires) almost every time an add dies. The other interesting thing would be to Bane of Havoc a boss while rain of firing adds. I was wondering if anyone had done testing and had information on the AoE abilities.

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Old 10/12/10, 4:47 PM   #317
Mystearica
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Originally Posted by Calinette View Post
Interesting data Mystearica. Thanks to you and Warlocomotif (and others) for doing the research on BoA behavior. Do you know what your spellpower value was during the test?
Naked just had the 8 mastery from training.
Geared:
3594 SP
14.84 Mastery (314 rating +8)
46.42% Haste (1522 rating)
No CoE
No Buffs

The damage of the ticks sometimes varied by 1dmg, like the low ticks would either tick for 658 or 659.

With the Chaotic Meta, crit damage seemed to be around a 2.055ish range.
Glyphed:
658/659 - 1353
759/760 - 1560
860 - 1767
1011/1012 - 2078/2079
1163 - 2389
1364 - 2803

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Old 10/12/10, 10:24 PM   #318
Keldion
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Originally Posted by Mystearica View Post
Naked just had the 8 mastery from training.
Geared:
3594 SP
14.84 Mastery (314 rating +8)
46.42% Haste (1522 rating)
No CoE
No Buffs

The damage of the ticks sometimes varied by 1dmg, like the low ticks would either tick for 658 or 659.

With the Chaotic Meta, crit damage seemed to be around a 2.055ish range.
Glyphed:
658/659 - 1353
759/760 - 1560
860 - 1767
1011/1012 - 2078/2079
1163 - 2389
1364 - 2803
The 2.055ish crits is a result of the crit damage bonus talents being hardboiled into mages and warlocks. Our inherent critical damage bonus with spells is now 1 / 100% 1.5 * 1.33 = 199.5%, as opposed to healers whose critical bonus with spells is 0.5 / 50%. Assuming an active Chaotic meta, mage/lock crits now are 206% 205.485%, down from 209%. The hybrid caster DPS classes will still crit at 209% as their respective crit damage bonus is featured as a passive ability in the associated talent tree.

Binkenstein mathed the method in which dots add in additional ticks based on spell haste at TotemSpot. Of particular note is the fact that the game rounds the bonus ticks up or down instead of flooring them. Bane of Agony ticks average to 130 + (Spellpower * 0.1) at 0% haste before passives and masteries. We should question the extra ticks' purpose instead of their extreme variance, such as maintaining an overall average damage while keeping consistent with the spell's description/flavor.

With Mystearica's posted stats, we could expect the following:
Average tick damage: 759.27
Tickspeed at 1522 haste: 1.365965s
Tickspeed at 1522 haste + Eradication: 1.138305s

Pitting those against her results, we see the following.
Example 1) 24/1.365965 = 17.5699 [18] extra ticks, sum 13413, average 763.40 [745.16]
Example 2) 28/1.365965 = 20.4983 [20] extra ticks, sum 16190, average 789.82 [809.5]
Example 3) 24/1.138305 = 21.08398 [21] extra ticks, sum 15839, average 751.23 [754.24]
Example 4) 28/1.138305 = 24.59798 [25] extra ticks, sum 21094, average 857.55 [843.76]

EDIT: I felt obligated to resume a post that I had been working upon this morning regarding BoA and combined it together with the first paragraph.

Last edited by Keldion : 11/14/10 at 12:06 PM. Reason: BoA Clarification, I'm an idiot and didn't test the crit bonus properly

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Old 10/13/10, 3:21 PM   #319
Skellum
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Originally Posted by Calidus View Post
Affliction will get the added bonus of SB:SoC. Demo will have meta -> Immolation aura-> hell fire. Destro will have rain of fire, but Soul Burn might make things every interesting with the ability to get 3 soul shards(which translate into 3 instant soul fires) almost every time an add dies. The other interesting thing would be to Bane of Havoc a boss while rain of firing adds. I was wondering if anyone had done testing and had information on the AoE abilities.
Casting Bane of Havok on a Targetting dummy apart from the others while seeding/RoF/Hellfire seems to result in only 1 tic of the AoE affecting BoH.

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Old 10/18/10, 7:44 PM   #320
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Originally Posted by Skellum View Post
Casting Bane of Havok on a Targetting dummy apart from the others while seeding/RoF/Hellfire seems to result in only 1 tic of the AoE affecting BoH.
I just tested this and it seems to work correctly now . I used BoH on one dummy, then I used RoF on two dummies far away from the first dummy and the BoH target was getting 2 ticks of BoH per RoF tick. This is important for Destro locks on Sindragosa because BoH can do massive damage to Sindy during air phases if you AoE the frost tombs.

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