The concurrent discussion of the two (quite different) specs in the sticky threads is becoming hard to follow. Lets split it up and use this thread for topics related to Fury.

I've been testing fury spec on target dummies today, and given the amount of damage I'm getting between bloodthirst, herioc strike, slam and raging blow, slam does not seem like it's worth including in the rotation. It does the least amount of damage per point of rage. Interestingly enough, with incite, Heroic strike is doing a lot more damage than any other ability. I'm considering dropping one point in war academy for 3 points in incite and was wondering what other people's feelings were with that. Bloodthirst still does decent damage (~1000 less than heroic stike when it doesn't crit) though it doesn't crit as much. Right now, I'm getting the best amount of dps when I prioritize my abilities like so:

Heroic Strike > Blood Thirst > Raging Blow > Slam(only when proc'd and hasted).

I wonder if slam was just left out of the list of buffs Blizzard gave to warriors the past couple days.

I reforged haste on my gear to hit. Haste definitely has it's perks now in that you'll generate rage faster from faster hits. Hard for me to tell which is better though. I may try unforging some of my stuff back to haste and see how I do. I've also been getting about 10k dps on the target dummy.

I already tried mastery and it doesn't look like it's better than either of the previous stats. Only raging blow seemed to benefit in damage and only in minuscule amounts from mastery. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Here are my personal stats:

Self buffed with battle shout and rampage ONLY

AP: 5779
Haste:734 (22.38%)
Hit: 273
crit: 1756 (52.21%)
expertise: 26/23
mastery: 0

Spec: 3/3 war academy 2/3 incite

Based on around 20 minutes of dummy dps i calculated the following damage/rage cost:

BT= 511.55 damage/rage
HS= 439.5 damage/rage
RB= 342.95 damage/rage

Slam was so bad that it was not worth using. I read they were going to reduce the cost of slam on proc to zero rage, but this is not currently active on live.

using the following priority system: BT>HS>RB

I'm sitting at around 10.3-10.5k dps on the dummy.

The breakdown of my damage using the priority above was:

HS= 34.6%
BT= 29%
melee= 28.6%
RB= 6.2%
chaos bane= 1.6%


I would love to hear some numbers for other people with different Stats, to help compare the effectiveness of hit vs haste vs mastery ect.

NOTE: be sure to use the raid dummy with no other buffs active. I had to go to silvermoon on my server to have solo access to the raid dummy.

I'm having trouble with my napkin math making sense...

I was looking over my tool tips while sitting in IF, unbuffed, and not in a party or raid. I currently have no mastery on my gear. My melee damage shows a 156% buff on MH and OH. Now I do have the 4pc T10 bonus (5%) and the 10% from Zerker Stance, and I even calculated in the 10% I'm supposed to get from Dual-wielding form the passive fury talents.

So that's: 100%(normal) * 1.1 (talents) * 1.05 (T10 4pc) * 1.1 (Dual wielding) = 127.05% damage


Possible solution : The mastery stat says it gives 25% bonus to anything that requires or causes enraged effects.

If so: 100% * 1.1 * 1.05 * 1.1 * 1.25(mastery) = 158.8125% so it's close but still off...hmm


I also tried respeccing to my Prot spec to see if it was that mastery stat with the fury tree, and low and behold I had 115% damage since I couldn't DW.

I also flipped back to fury spec but took off BOTH of my weapons and I STILL had 156% damage!!

So either the mastery is supposed to scale with ALL of our damage or it's grabbing the bonus from mastery and not the 10% bonus from DW-ing.

Lastly I went into ICC to see if they buff stuck with me for some reason but my damage went to 203%!

I know Blizzard recently buffed us warriors, but I wouldn't think they changed our damage % scaling with mastery just some coeffs. of tree specific abilities.

Anyone else replicate these issues? I'd love some feedback on this, be it criticism of my math skills or otherwise.

Thankx, love the EJ Forums, come here all the time, rarely post because all the right things(pertinent to me) have been said thus far...


- Azuli

Deleted. I accidentally referenced azzuli's armory for flytans post.

So i realized recount was counting each raging blow as 2 hits, due to using both weapons.

The actual damage/rage point calcs should be:

RB: 626.9
BT: 520
HS: 443

I'm going to modify my rotation to reflect this and see what I can do.

With the new priorities from my revised dmg/rage calculations:

10 minute pull, self buffed same as before(bs, and rampage only:

11.3k dps

BT 29%
melee 27.1%
HS 24.8%
RB 17.1%
Chaos bane 1.5%

my stats are unchanged from my previous post.


I'd love to see some more posts with different hit/haste levels for comparison. I may consider playing with reforging myself.

Of course when the slam change goes live, this will change.

(Wall of text, I'm sorry)

I did a 5 million damage test (came out to 8.5 min)

I also had a flask and food buff (+40 str) left over from an instance that I couldn't click off.

Buffs:
Shout, +40 str food, endless rage flask
Stats:
AP 6077
Haste: 20.92%
Hit: 747 (27.29%)
Crit: 38.10%
Exp: 26/26
Mastery: 8

10k dps

HS 29.4%
Melee 28.5%
BT 23.4%
RB 13.2%
Slam 3.8%
Chaos Bane 1.7%

I'm going to change my gear away from hit and go heavy haste and post my results.
Edit:

Test 2 Heavy Haste (9.5 Min):
Buffs:
Shout, +40 str food, endless rage flask
HS 29.4%
Melee 28.5%
BT 23.4%
RB 13.2%
Slam 3.8%
Chaos Bane 1.7%

DPS 9.5k

Melee 28.8%
HS 26.1%
BT 24.4%
RB 15.1%
Slam 3.7%
Chaos Bane 1.8%

Rage gen was much worse during the 2nd test. Missing the white swings was killing it.

Edit 2:
Test 3 Regular stats (8.5 min):

Buffs:
Shout, +40 str food, endless rage flask
Stats:
AP 6077
Haste: 21.74%
Hit: 292 (12.49%)
Crit: 44.94%
Exp: 26/26
Mastery: 8

9.2k

HS 28.4%
Melee 28.3%
BT 24.9%
RB 12.4%
Slam 4.2%
Chaos Bane 1.8%

I removed all reforging from my gear and it is almost back in the state it was before I started the testing. I still have a few hit gems in place. Rage was very bad on this test at times. When the white misses happened, they happened in strings of 4-6 in a row, leaving me rage starved for 8-10 seconds. They always seemed to happen when shout was on CD. Unlucky? probably.

Looking back at my testing, going full 27% hit seems to be the best for rage generation and dps. This could be different in a raid with the extra haste buffs that could make up for white misses in the rage generation. My guild is taking the week off to let everyone get their addons and specs figured out so I can't post raid stats.

I hope this helps everyone.

Right now slam is a dps loss. Try this priority and see what you get:

BT-RB-BT-free

with HS as much as possible.

In free zones use BS, and the enrage inducers to maintain enrage.

With this rotation so far i have tried with my original post of stats: 11.3 k dps
Reforging my haste to hit: 10.8k dps ( i felt rage starved)

I'm going to try haste next and see how it goes.

I believe the plan is to reduce the rage cost of slam on bloodsurge proc to zero. As of now SLAM IS A DPS LOSS, unquestionably.

so after several hours of repeated testing under the following conditions:

12 minute pulls
raid dummy
no debuffs on boss
battleshout + rampage

Rotation:

BT-RB-BT- FREE

HS as much as possible with out delaying BT, and using free zones for shout, and recklessness


After varying Hit, Haste, and crit while keeping everything else constant I have come to the following conclusion:

At least for unbuffed dpsing on raid dummy with my gear, reforging for maximum Hit is better than crit or haste.

I was able to sustain 11.5k dps with the following stats:

AP 5779
Haste 14.55%
Hit 26.7%
crit 47.87%
expertise 26/23


In a raid environment, with melee haste buff this could change, but I believe it will not. Additionally, when the planned slam change goes live, this may change.

For now this is what i've decided to go with. Try it out if you like.