I noticed yesterday when I was playing on the ptr that glyphed cs applies sunder armor on it even though there where no sunder armor to refresh. What do you guys think about it?

Changes nothing tbh.

If you are the one on sunder duty u do 2 sunders and CS (which applies 3rd one on live since long time) anyway.

4P Bonus updated:

The new 4pc is pretty much what I expected. Raging blow seems to be the ability of choice for these set bonuses because Bloodthirst's cool down is so much shorter. This tends to lead to set bonuses favoring TG over SMF simply because TG players will do more Raging Blows.

As someone who preferred SMF this irritates me but I can't really see any way around it so w/e

4P is definitely better now, but I just don't get why Blizzard doesn't make it BT and MS with e.g 10% and 15% chance to proc respectively (like they did it for dks !) so both fury spec can benefit it equally.

Nothing a powa aura can't fix

This would seem to be the obvious solution but considering they did not go with something similar for the T12 4p bonus I guess they wont bother here either, shame really.

It'll certainly be interesting to see the simulations. I still maintain that it is a stronger bonus for TG (in theory) because it improves the damage of their already optimal rotation. If SMF could gain the bonus via slam then they would be able to use a higher dps move and gain the dps bonus via the 4pc rather than a lower dps move that yields a net gain via the 4pc.

I reserve the right to be made foolish by actual maths and simulations.

Fury warrior thread is for discussion things about fury

I agree with FearMeMortals. The RB is priority over Slam for TG anyway, so they benefit straight from the 4pc bonus, while SMF have to change priority in order to have equal number of procs, which is worse than optimal, or they have to maintain standard priority Slam>RB and get lower number of 4pc procs. In both cases, SMF looses a bit, while TG doesn't.

I wanted to see what would be better for both fury specs - proc off Slam or proc off RB, so I looked at some logs to see if TG's change to Slam>RB rotation or SMF's change to RB>Slam would hurt corresponding spec less. Since I'm not raiding regularly, I looked at logs of our pretty standard end-game geared TG fury war - 387ilvl, 2x391swords, t124pc from some 25H FL. (His profile: Bluson @ Ravenholdt - Game - World of Warcraft).

from 3 25H FL raids
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Slam = ~25,0k (15 324 778 dmg / 614 hits)
RB = ~32,1k (36 588 965 dmg / 1139 hits)

Slam, since it's free, should be granted around 2/3 of HS, and RB, since it triggers t12 4pc bonus should be granted a portion of Fiery Attack's dmg:
2/3 HS = ~15,8k (51 918 695 dmg * 2/3 / 2186 hits)
FA = ~7,5k per RB hit (8 522 834 dmg / 1139 RB hits)

To sum up:
Slam adds up to ~40,8k per hit
RB adds up to ~39,6k per hit

It seems, that Slam is quite over RB without t12 4pc (27% stronger!) and quite equal to RB with t12 4pc.
The other 2 important factors to consider are:

1. "chunky" rage generation of TG with Slam>RB rotation would lead to bigger risk of either rage starving if one desperately try to avoid overcap and hits HS sooner, or overcapping rage because of saving safer rage pool for "basic" specials rotation;

1. chance to crit and trigger DW and Flurry for bigger uptimes:
   RB hit: 943 crits / 1139 hits = 83% (169 FA crits + 386 RB mh crits + 388 RB oh crits)
   Slam hit: 54,5%
   Slam crit = 31,4%
   2/3 HS crit = 2/3*50,5% = 33,7%
   Slam overall = 1-(0,686*0,663) = 54,5%
   

Both factors favour RB clearly with t12 4pc bonus. But remember, we won't have it with t13, so those factors are to be enough to compensate for the 27% stronger Slam. The conclusion is, that it seems, that without FAs TG's rotations of Slam>RB and RB>Slam are quite close, or even Slam>RB being better. Therefore I think, that t13 4pc triggering off Slam wouldn't in my opinion hurt either SMF or TG, where RB hurts SMF. On a side note, since Arms could have it proc off Slam too, but that's not Arms thread.

EDIT:
I made a mistake above, summing up crits from RB mh, oh and FA is plain wrong, because they could crit in the same moment. The correct math on this:
RB mh crit = 33,9% (386 / 1139)
RB oh crit = 34,1% (388 / 1139)
FA crit = 14,8% (169 / 1139 RB hits)
any crit on RB hit chance = 1-(0,661*0,659*0,852) = 62,9%

Can it be, that you forgot the RB-OffHandhits?
They'd be adding ~14 million Dmg.

One thing to note is that by procing off, of RB fury will not be able to use one of its hardest hitting abilities during the CS uptime while SMF will. By procing off of Slam it would actually favor TG more than it currently does.