I realize this but at max level against a boss level npc (which this thread is primarily focused on) it is crit immunity unless a specific boss mechanic changes that. Could I have worded that a bit better? Probably, but my point is still valid.

Sure is, but you understand, that when a mob has a 0% chance to critically hit you, you are immune to critical hits from that mob?

This is a source for the information I provided. It's a bit outdated since bosses can't perform crushing blows anymore but the hit table vs bosses still functions exactly the same.

http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t15596-melee_combat_mechanics/#Hit_Table

Look under environment vs player hit table. If you leave out crushing blows from the table it's exactly like the one I provided.

You are correct, and I was not saying you were wrong, I merely wanted to clarify that you understood why you were right (and the talent in question is irrelevant to a Warrior's chance to be critically hit in Battle Stance since it only applies while the Warrior is in Defensive Stance).

Correct. Stamina takes priority over more avoidance and more Mastery past CTC.

Anyone thinking of dropping Bastion of Defense, because reaching full CTC pushes crits off the table along with unblocked hits, should also keep in mind that that is only in effect if you keep everything in front of you, all the time. Obviously you want to do this anyway, but without the talent any stray hit that happens to come from just behind should you be sloppy moving the boss, or just in a large trash pack, could be a crit.

Personally I don't plan on trying to drop the talent.

I dont really think anyone was going to drop the talent but some people wanted to try using colossus smash in their single target rotation which would involve switching to battle stance where the talent is not effective. This can be planned and performed when it is "safe" to do so.

Even once immune to critical hits from the front upon reaching CTC, Bastion of Defense is still a useful threat talent. I can't think of any reason why anyone would drop the talent in favor of... what, Gag Order or Impending Victory? I suppose it might be worth doing some math just to see what I come up with, but I highly doubt either talent will prove superior to Bastion.

99.99% as a Night Elf. You really should avoid basing your responses on information garnered after the OP has been given advice and acted upon it. At the time the question was asked, OP was at 103.5% avoidance. OP has since reforged and obtained slightly different gear.

Not too sure why armor hasn't been investigated.
Seems to me that lower ilvl armor trinkets give more EH than the scale.
I'll have to tripple check my math though as my findings seem a bit too unreal.

Also a question about damage. How would a dev/rev a gcd after SS compare to that same gcd being used up by a shockwave/conc blow/rend refresh?
Usually I do a dev/rev after SS by habit but my logs seem to discourage devastate use due to it having non existant scaling with vengence.

here is a log example from a 5 min H Baleroc kill


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Do note that i don't have this spec for farm content and is specialized for H Rag
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The reason for doing a dev/rev after a SS is so you can try to get a S&B proc. By the look of this snip, (I could be very wrong..) but it looks like you've been skipping out on shield slams.


My general rule of thumb is SS every cooldown its up (UNLESS certain situations arise, like taunting, etc..). First GCD is going to be dev/rev to try to get that S&B back up. Then its the magic number game. You -can- try another dev (leaving ss at 2sec), then using that last gcd to [rend/tc/demo/conq/sw], since using dev/rev with 1 sec left on SS, trying to "refresh it" it will be up next GCD either way.

I've never really liked Blood Craze for any fight.. the numbers are just too small..

You're two-tanking the fight. This means you sometimes won't have full vengeance, which really screws with the average damage of each ability. For instance, Revenge has a higher damage (comparatively) than it would otherwise, because you only use it when you're getting hit. Similarly, you get more heroic strikes when you take more damage, so heroic strike's values are semi-weighted (more of them have high vengeance than your shield slams, even though SS has way better scaling).

If you're mostly using abilities like Shockwave or Concussion Blow when you're actively tanking, then the numbers will be skewed.

Also, on an unrelated note: why did you use heroic throw five times on Baleroc? You should never ever use it when you're standing in melee range-- it resets your swing timer, which means you get less rage.