[Cataclysm] Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 2

Jackaran · 12/14/10, 12:55 PM

My question: Fury spec - "Deep Wounds 3/3 vs Incite 3/3"

This probably will be a back and forth as gear progressively gets better.

My theory:
Incite gives a 100% chance to give a crit on next HS and 15% crit on HS (additional), but Deep wounds does 48% of your weapons *average damage* over 6 seconds.

I'm thinking Deep Wounds 3/3 and Incite 2/3.

As we get more gear, that 15% crit would be mute because we'll have so much crit anyway. So rather than go for the crit go for the direct damage. Furthermore, Incite has a 6 sec (Internal or Regular?) Cooldown.

Thoughts or comments?

Ssateneth · 12/14/10, 8:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tacitus

Is Rude Interruption still better than other talents given that it (currently) is consumed on your next yellow swing?

E: for Arms PvE that is

Ex2: After some slight testing, only MS and OP will consume it. Slam, CS, Rend or HS won't consume it, haven't tested execute yet. Most likely a bug, but still wondering if I should spec out of Rude Interruption for the time being.

Execute will also consume the RI buff as arms. Some fury warriors have also reported that RI gets consumed with execute (No Lambs to the Slaughter buff) so I did some testing. I talented OUT of Lambs to the Slaughter and got 2/2 Rude Interruptions and had an 85 duel me to test out MS, Overpower, and Execute. Even without the LttS talent, Rude Interruptions -still- got consumed after casting any of those 3 abilities. It might be one of those funky bugs where part of the LttS talent isn't unlearned properly, along side with already causing conflict with RI to begin with. I also ticketed a GM about this bug, but he believes that it is not "broken".

Bogdan · 12/15/10, 3:27 AM

For tanks:

At what % do parry & dodge become to show diminishing returns?

Mirdan · 12/15/10, 3:11 PM

How does Shield Block convert overflow avoidance into critical block? I have 68% avoidance + block, and 93% with Shield Block up, but the tooltip for the buff is reporting that I have 18% additional chance to critical block, with no overflow.

Feylna · 12/15/10, 9:00 PM

As of today Rude Interruption is no longer consumed by Lambs. It is now a viable talent investment again.

Emeraude · 12/16/10, 8:12 PM

So I've noticed that I'm quite constantly able to squeeze in a 4th attack into Colossus Smash with maybe .2 or .3 seconds left on the debuff, this shouldn't be possible normally unless blizzard allowed haste to lower the GCD on instant abilities(Melee, not caster, I know they changed it for casters a while ago) and somebody didn't tell me?

Or it could be that the debuff is just applied .2-.3 seconds later, anyone experiencing similar?

Edit:

CS-> Execute 4x is almost 100%.
CS->BT-RB->BT->Slam really tight, but doable.
BT->RB->BT->Slam-> not doable.

Hypothesis is that the GCD is lower on Slam/Execute, allowing us to squeeze in that 4th extra attack, more testing required.

siliconminded · 12/17/10, 4:46 AM

I'm trying to evaluate prot mastery, can anyone clarify how Critical Block affects my chance to be hit? (preferably in terms of the hit table and 1- or 2- roll theory) If I have 10 Mastery, I gain 15% block and 15% critical block, does that mean I've reduced my chance to take a regular hit by 30%?

Themess · 12/17/10, 5:00 AM

Originally Posted by Jackaran

My question: Fury spec - "Deep Wounds 3/3 vs Incite 3/3"

This probably will be a back and forth as gear progressively gets better.

My theory:
Incite gives a 100% chance to give a crit on next HS and 15% crit on HS (additional), but Deep wounds does 48% of your weapons *average damage* over 6 seconds.

I'm thinking Deep Wounds 3/3 and Incite 2/3.

As we get more gear, that 15% crit would be mute because we'll have so much crit anyway. So rather than go for the crit go for the direct damage. Furthermore, Incite has a 6 sec (Internal or Regular?) Cooldown.

Thoughts or comments?

I've been getting better results from 3/3 incite. I did some tests on the dummies and found around 8.2% of my damage was done by DW, compared to 16.3% from HS (average). I swapped the point around to 3/3 incite and the average deep wounds damage was about the same at 8.1% and in addition HS's average damage increased to 17.2%.

Brissa · 12/17/10, 5:31 AM

Originally Posted by Themess

I've been getting better results from 3/3 incite. I did some tests on the dummies and found around 8.2% of my damage was done by DW, compared to 16.3% from HS (average). I swapped the point around to 3/3 incite and the average deep wounds damage was about the same at 8.1% and in addition HS's average damage increased to 17.2%.

That sounds like either a statistical anomaly or a bug. There is no way that makes mathematical sense when you consider that a 50% increase in the damage ouput of an ability (going from 32% average weapon damage to 48%) would result in an overall improvement of the damage from that ability by 1%

Emerassi · 12/17/10, 2:40 PM

Originally Posted by Brissa

That sounds like either a statistical anomaly or a bug. There is no way that makes mathematical sense when you consider that a 50% increase in the damage ouput of an ability (going from 32% average weapon damage to 48%) would result in an overall improvement of the damage from that ability by 1%

He's using percentage of his total damage done, which is a totally useless metric, because any increase in one area will affect the total damage done and change all of the percentages.

It is possible for this to happen however if he got lucky and the increased crit rate on heroic strike gave him more flurries and more deep wounds procs, so they do less damage base, but would be up more often.

Themess · 12/17/10, 7:48 PM

Originally Posted by Brissa

That sounds like either a statistical anomaly or a bug. There is no way that makes mathematical sense when you consider that a 50% increase in the damage ouput of an ability (going from 32% average weapon damage to 48%) would result in an overall improvement of the damage from that ability by 1%

My point wasn't that deep wounds damage increased, but rather that it stayed pretty much exactly the same with 2/3 as it did 3/3, most likely from the increased uptime 3/3 incite provides. This wasn't a serious parse however (only 2 sets of 20 million damage with no specials), which is something i'm working on currently.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Emerassi

He's using percentage of his total damage done, which is a totally useless metric, because any increase in one area will affect the total damage done and change all of the percentages.

It is possible for this to happen however if he got lucky and the increased crit rate on heroic strike gave him more flurries and more deep wounds procs, so they do less damage base, but would be up more often.

Which is, if I am not mistaken, the entire point of my post. Incite 3/3 means DW is up more, but ticks for less. You do about the same damage with DW whether you go 2/3 or 3/3 is what this seems to indicate (again, doing more parses to clarify and account for variance), so the last point looks like Incite is the better place for it at the minute. If anyone has any parses then please post them so we can compare the data.

Datachanger · 12/18/10, 1:44 AM

I have done some looking around on the forums for the official EH value for armor.
I have been relatively unsuccessful on finding a solid number. I think it’s looking around 3-4 points of armor (from what I've been looking around at). Has there been a definate number calculated?
The reason I ask is to determine the benefit of [Unidentifiable Organ] for tanking.
Thank you.

Alexxcri · 12/18/10, 6:23 AM

Could someone explain to me why Rude Interruption is better than Executioner please? For Arms of course. I know white damage isn't too big a part of our damage but RI still seems like pretty situational to me

Anduryondon · 12/18/10, 7:11 AM

You can't say that one is better than the other, because these talents are very situational. There are many fights where you need burst at <20% without any interrupts (Halfus, Ascendend Council, Chimaron, Maloriak) so at these fights you want to take Executioner because you want to kill the boss quickly. There are a few bosses where you could think about going for RI (Omnitron Defense System, probably Cho'gall because Arms burst is strong vs these tentacles, maybe Nefarian if you want to have a quick phase 2).
If you still run heroics RI is a better option, because you have many things to interrupt and bosses die quickly at 20%.

Rhaegor · 12/20/10, 1:29 AM

Originally Posted by siliconminded

I'm trying to evaluate prot mastery, can anyone clarify how Critical Block affects my chance to be hit? (preferably in terms of the hit table and 1- or 2- roll theory) If I have 10 Mastery, I gain 15% block and 15% critical block, does that mean I've reduced my chance to take a regular hit by 30%?

From what I believe, no.

Blocking reduces 30% of the damage taken, and a critical block will reduce 60%. Meaning that you have a 15% chance to block, and a 15% chance to get a critical block on that. If i'm wrong correct me, but from seeing another post mentioning this that is how it goes.