[Cataclysm] Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 3

Rhaegor · 12/20/10, 1:31 AM

Does the extra swing from arms mastery, Strikes of Opportunity, generate rage?

Miloh · 12/20/10, 1:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anduryondon

You can't say that one is better than the other, because these talents are very situational. There are many fights where you need burst at <20% without any interrupts (Halfus, Ascendend Council, Chimaron, Maloriak) so at these fights you want to take Executioner because you want to kill the boss quickly. There are a few bosses where you could think about going for RI (Omnitron Defense System, probably Cho'gall because Arms burst is strong vs these tentacles, maybe Nefarian if you want to have a quick phase 2).
If you still run heroics RI is a better option, because you have many things to interrupt and bosses die quickly at 20%.

If still running Heroics, you can go for the "third" option of Blood and Thunder instead of Executioner or Rude Interruption. That is, increased AoE capability (Thunderclap to put Rend on all mobs) at the cost of situational damage increases. (Of course, this assumes you have a capable tank to deal with your threat.)

<Subjective opinion> Blood and Thunder is also a hell of a lot of fun.

Shan · 12/21/10, 5:32 AM

With the Thunderstruck talent, is Rend -> TC x 3 -> Shockwave -> TC x 3 -> Shockwave etc. a dps increase on single targets?

If so, how does it compare to Deep Wounds from a dps per talent point view?

Rafale · 12/21/10, 10:31 AM

Warriors receive rage when their attack is dodged or not?

KopiG · 12/21/10, 2:12 PM

Actually this concerns basically every masteries in the game:So lets say i have 22.18 mastery rating which translates according to the game 44% chance for SoO strikes.My question is that the 0.18% wasted till i reach 22.5 then it becomes 45% or it adds up just the UI(game) wont show decimals like 44.x% chance for SoO to proc.So my question is that it works like expertise where every x*1.0 mastery counts only so if i have 0.99 then i wasted all 0.99 or it adds up just the UI wont show.
Looking forward for an answer thank u and sorry if this had been posted somwhere already i havent found anything

Jackaran · 12/21/10, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by KopiG

Actually this concerns basically every masteries in the game:So lets say i have 22.18 mastery rating which translates according to the game 44% chance for SoO strikes.My question is that the 0.18% wasted till i reach 22.5 then it becomes 45% or it adds up just the UI(game) wont show decimals like 44.x% chance for SoO to proc.So my question is that it works like expertise where every x*1.0 mastery counts only so if i have 0.99 then i wasted all 0.99 or it adds up just the UI wont show.
Looking forward for an answer thank u and sorry if this had been posted somwhere already i havent found anything

Where is your question?

I'm going to assume you're asking that - Decimals that don't equal to a full number are wasted?

I'm pretty sure this is true. Like most things In game. Exception is: Hit rating and I wanna say Critical hit chance.

Originally Posted by Alexxcri

Could someone explain to me why Rude Interruption is better than Executioner please? For Arms of course. I know white damage isn't too big a part of our damage but RI still seems like pretty situational to me

PVP: Spell casters have a HUGE adventage versus melee. Assuming you know that Pummel is usable in Battle Stance(4.0), 5% damage for 15/30 seconds can increase the damage of your Overpower or Mortal Strike by a signifcant amount.

Trying a rotation like Rend > Pummel > Mortal Strike > Colossal Smash > Overpower can next to cripple a spell caster and force them to pop a Cooldown.

PVE: It's situational - This will always be the response you get. Some fights you'll need it while others you won't. It's your call if you want to keep running back to the Trainer to respec your arms tree.

The idea and purpose behind Rude Interruption is to give incentive and reward for interrupting a target. That 1 GCD may cost you a HS or MS however, you gain 5% increased damage to all attacks for the next 15/30 seconds.

If you have a situation where you've got RI you can combine damage like Rend > Pummel > MS > CM > OP (or) Rend > Pummel > MS > CM > MS - Requires a delay in use of your abilities but, it is possible and is more PVP likely.

Executioner is for Raid boss fights. The fights last longer and you may need more rage to increase your DPS. This can be extremely useful when fighting an enrage timer, however; requires the target to be at the required amount of HP. And it can drain a lot of your rage spamming Execution. Essentially, Executioner *can* be counter productive.

Originally Posted by Rafale

Warriors receive rage when their attack is dodged or not?

No, Warriors do not.

They do gain an ability to counter a Dodge - Overpower (Only usage after the target dodges)

Deus_Phasmatis · 12/21/10, 7:29 PM

Warriors receive full rage from auto-attacks that are dodged or parried. I've tested it.

Booi · 12/22/10, 1:48 AM

Has anyone come up with an elegant solution for managing Inner Rage? Macroing it into revenge and cancelling the aura on everything else works as a baseline, but obviously you'd prefer to have it up for free shield slams/all shield slams (or more in high rage situations).

The big culprit is heroic strike, but because it is essentially on it's own gcd - it's hard to ensure that Inner Rage will be off when HS is getting qued. I'm not necessarily looking for an ideal solution, that is accomplished by manually hitting all the time. But as tanks we have a lot to focus on in terms of positioning/leading/cd management. Just looking to find a way for this ball to juggle itself.

Namuron · 12/22/10, 7:28 AM

I am currently wondering how good the 3rd talent point in Incite really is. In my understanding, from a high-level perspective the talent modifies the attack table so that have an additional 33%/66%/100% chance to crit. These crits then have the penalty assigned that they cannot proc Incite again.

So if I have a HS crit chance of e.g. 20% with Incite 2/3, my next HS after a crit HS would have a crit chance ca. 86%. 20% of this 86% would still be able to proc Incite.

If I have Incite 3/3, my crit chance would increase to 25% and after a crit, my next HS that lands would be a guaranteed crit, but it could never proc Incite.

So my conclusion is that the worth of putting a 3rd talent point into incite is at least much lower than the first two points in this talent. Does this make any sense or am I completely on the wrong track?

adzen · 12/22/10, 9:04 AM

Sorry if this is too obvious, but I couldn't really find an answer. Is Arms just as viable as Fury now (for raids/heroics)? Things keep changing, just want to know which is better currently, heh.

Sorry if we aren't allowed to ask these kinds of questions in this post, but I didn't see anything saying we couldn't. I don't mind someone deleting/moving this post.

KopiG · 12/22/10, 11:03 AM

So incite works like this:If u have only 2/3 and u make a critical hit then every single critical hit which u do besides the talent has a 66% chance to make your next heroic strike a guaranteed crit.
So mathematically in average from 100 critical hits which werent done by incite aproximately 66 will be a guaranteed critical heroic strike the rest will be calculated via the normal hit/crit rules.

Back to my question so if i have 22.18% mastery then the 0.18 is wasted then and wont get converted to like 44.x% chance to proc SoO strikes (which the UI cant/doesnt show)Anybody knows for sure so if that mastery works like hit/crit and just the UI is shit wont show decimals on a mastery like mine or it works like expertise and till i reach 22.5 that 0.18 i have "extra" is wasted and basically a useless stat.

Melufa · 12/23/10, 3:54 AM

Going back to weapon enchants for arms, and excluding Landslide. Hurricane is better than Avalanche or any of the pre-Cata enchants right?

hikarodesu · 12/23/10, 4:06 PM

While playing around in org I realized something kind of strange, and was wondering if anyone could enlighten me on this matter. Commanding shout gives 585 stamina, my character health is 140.8k health unbuffed. After I use commanding shout I get up to 150.7k health. That's almost double the amount of health I should be getting? Did they change the amount of health that each point of stamina gives? If not, I should be getting 585x10x1.2 (15% from prot spec and 5% from plate spec) = 7020 + 140.8k = 147.8k, where am I getting this extra 3k health?

Reejerey · 12/24/10, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jackaran

PVE: It's situational - This will always be the response you get. Some fights you'll need it while others you won't. It's your call if you want to keep running back to the Trainer to respec your arms tree.

The idea and purpose behind Rude Interruption is to give incentive and reward for interrupting a target. That 1 GCD may cost you a HS or MS however, you gain 5% increased damage to all attacks for the next 15/30 seconds.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked pummel and shield bash are off the gcd.

On interrupt fights my guild now has me and our other dps war trade off on the interrupts instead of an enhance shaman or a rogue so that we can get the RI uptime and the extra damage.

Shan · 12/25/10, 2:53 AM

Originally Posted by hikarodesu

Did they change the amount of health that each point of stamina gives?

Stamina is 14 health per point now.