keshian

Warglaives
2x same speed season 3 one handers
Wicked Edge/Dragonstrike (MH)
Season 2 2.60 one hander (MH)
Blade of Infamy (OH)
Season 2 2.60 one hander (OH)
Talon of Azshara = Rising Tide (OH)
Swiftsteel Bludgeon OH (this seems to have a better ranking at lower gear levels...)

Suprised I didn't see Alar's MH and the Axe that he also drops on this list, both are compariable to Talon from what I can tell.

 

Kemeran

Furthermore, I am suprised that I don't see the Syphon of the Nathrezim getting more respect as a DPS weapon in this thread. My guild started HS/BT recently and I was catching some grief last night for passing on the Rising Tide when it dropped. I feel that it is a pure sidegrade to the Talon of Azshara and Merciless Gladiator's Slicer that I have had for some time. I came here to the forums to see if many of the discussion touched on how the weapons rated against each other. My weapon wish list going into T6 (besides the warglaives) was a Blade of Infamy and a Syphon of the Nathrezim, especially since I could catch 10 expertise human racial bonus that way.

I had never had any luck using the spreadsheet since I don't have excel at home and the site that links to it is blocked at my work. I use maxdps.com to help me make a lot of my gear decisions. I was wondering what a lot of people that look at the spreadsheet here and maxdps.com think of how they compare on accuracy in choosing gear. Also, is the Syphon not a good weapon in the eyes of most here?

 

Apate

You could e-mail it to yourself, or put it on a disk.

See you, auntie.

 

Gruntle

You may want to read just a few pages back about maxdps.com. But I'll repeat it, since a lot of people seem to be using it. Maxdps.com does not include heroic strike damage and I suspect that it has no rage generation calculations. It will not be accurate and the gear evaluation will be less accurate than the one in the spreadsheet. I guess it's good as a first approximation, but in my opinion the spreadsheet beats it by miles (also, the spreadsheet is transparent, you can see how the calculations are made). E.g. as far as I can tell you cannot set your race in the page, thus racials aren't even modeled.

 

bobtheorc

I was of the impression devastate generated the same threat as before and stacked the sunder debuff instead of just maintaining it.

On a side note, what is the bonus threat from shield slam and heroic strike?

 

Xav

Shield Slam 307
Revenge 200
Sunder Armor 301
Heroic Strike 196
Cleave 130 (Split)

 

Graul

[Talon of the Phoenix] is tied with the Wicked Edge/Dragonstrike for non Human, non Orc Warriors.

It is just a sidegrade to a season two weapon, which is really really sad. Don't worry though, I'm sure Blizzard will eventually upgrade the BT weapons right around the time Sunwell hits and Season four weapons are soon to be released on the PTR.

 

Tscullor

Sorry if this has already been covered, but tonight, while I was skilling 1H Maces on the Servant of Allistarj mobs in Blasted Lands, I noticed that if I crit when flurry has 1 charge left, it doesn't get refreshed, and the buff is removed. Is this known? It seems a little.. lame.

 

Moogul

It is known, it's been around since 2.3, I think.

 

Gruntle

Yeah it's been broken in that way since 2.3. Shamans have the same bug. There was a blue post saying that it would get fixed after 2.3.2, but that post seems to have vanished (i get an error when trying to open the link to it). It's not a game breaking bug but it does bring down flurry uptime for DW fury by 5% or so.

 

Kemeran

Thanks for the protip. I have no idea why I never thought of that before. Now here I am at work messing with the spreadsheet I e-mailed myself having a blast. Well, maybe not a blast, man the BT/HS weapons are underwhelming. I remember being so excited upon getting into SSC/TK with the weapons that were available in comparison to T4 content. Anything aside from the warglaives seems like a waste of gold for enchanting mats. After being able to put myself DW a Rising Tide/Merc Slicer into the spreadsheet I am glad I passed on the weapon for it to go to a resto shaman for fun. At least he will be appreciative of a cool off-spec toy. Blizzard was definitly asleep at the wheel itemizing the melee weapons in T6 it seems. I am still messing with a lot of configurations on the sheet, but what are most people favorite MH/OH combo besides the warglaives of course. I doubt if my guild will be farming Illidian to the point of spreading around a bunch of glaives, and there really wouldn't be a decision between warglaives and ???

 

seasonlight

[Deadly Cuffs] vs [Furious Shackles] discuss.

 

Grayson Carlyle

There is no competition here, so there's really nothing to discuss.

 

Brissa

Deadly Cuffs are great (although just barely better than eradication), Furious Shackles suck.
There you go, nothing more needs to be said.

 

Sharyl

Hi all! For of all, I apologize for the bad english I use; I'm french, and I don't speak english very well.
I have two question (I know they've allready been partly answered in the previous pages, but I didn't see anything very clear).

Here is the first one: In your opinion, what is the hit rating a 17/44 should aim? I always thought that, as you are getting t5/t6, you need far less hit, since the white hits are replaced by many HS. But I still see furies in BT with 220+ hit... So, what do you think?

The second question is about the enchant in OH: I thought that mongoose was far better than potency here, all the more so as I have a slow OH. But according to the spreadsheet, potency is better, and by far.... do you think the spreadsheet is right here?

 

DKP-Borgar

Does anyone has a good idea, where a fury warrior could test his dmg in a non-raid situation? I got some new items, which need some testing, but it seems it's hard to find something similiar as the outland mobs.

The spreadsheet might give a good overview but it's set to an optimal setting. A simulator might bring more interesting results, but this seems out of reach.

 

Brissa

Enough hit rating so that your specials never miss.
Other than that its just like any other stat in that it has a weight (fairly low one) compared to other stats.
Saying that one should aim for a particular number of a certain stat (be it hit, crit, ap or whatever) just shows that you dont understand the game mechanics.

When looking at an item you always need to take into consideration the total benefit of all stats on the item.
Now we say that hit rating is a bad stat and it is. But it is also present on several items who as a whole are very good and that is why you end up with many warriors having high hit ratings. Not because its a particulary good stat but because it happens to be on items that are good.

 

Sharyl

You don't seem to have understood what I meant. Maybe I didn't express it correctly, and if so, I'm sorry about that. I never said that there was a kind of "cap" in hit rating that one should reach (exept the 8.7% one). I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this stat (you answered saying "fairly low weight", that's ok).

And I know some people reach high hit ratings the way you describe it (because it is present in items which are good anyways, and also give hit rating); but this in not what I was refering to.
I thought about people who have already 240 hit, and still use +8 hit rat. gems and surefooted. What is your opinion about it?

Finally, I know what you mean " Saying that one should aim for a particular number of a certain stat (be it hit, crit, ap or whatever) just shows that you dont understand the game mechanics.", but you are warong in a way: one should aim a particular number of a certain stat regarding to the others stats he has. I mean, it semms kind of stupid to continue socketing with crit gems if you have 42% crit and 1000 AP, isn t it? That's exactly what I meant: being in t5 (more or less), which means having around 33% crit and 1800 AP, what should one aim for hit rating, so that his stats will be "well balanced"?

Once again, I apologize for the english mistakes ><

 

Langie

First aim: 9% so special attacks never miss.
Second aim: enough hit so BT & WW is always on cooldown and you can put some HS in the cycles.
the rest is anger management and i would say personal preference. I play with 180-220 hit rating, and I´m happy with it, but the rating comes from Items and not from Gems. never gem for hit after 9%.
As Brissa said, hit comes from items which are overall better then the item you used in the slot before.
You can´t give any numbers in rating which you should aim for. It is all personal preference.
But from my opinion: If you reach 170-200hit rating without gems you will do well.


Also i would not enchant surefooted; 12agi is the way to go in my opinion.

 

Foundry

Don't underestimate Cat's Swiftness either. Giving up 6 Agi for a permanent 8% move speed is also a very decent tradeoff. Crit you can get from any number of sources (skill & class buffs, stones, scrolls, consumeables), but 8% move speed is solely a self buff of some sort (meta gem, boot chant). Mobility can be very very valuable, for the sake of 0.2% crit, it can be worth it too.

 

Brissa

At that gear level im pretty sure that Str would be better than crit rating and as such yes of course you should socket str in your gem slots.

Socketing hit gems is silly as a fury or ms warrior its something you should never do(when your over the 9% cap). Interestingly enough the spreadsheet tells a very different tale for prot where hit seems to be one of the better stats.

 

Liar

That's a bug. http://elitistjerks.com/600946-post451.html
Start at post 451 to see how to fix it.

 

Brissa

Ah, good to know. It didnt seem to make sense at all.

 

Lapp

So is the 4-swing flurry with same speed weapons still around? I've heard from some sources that the mechanic was removed some time ago, and from others that it still exists. Tried searching these forums but found no definite answer. Thanks.

 

Apate

Inconclusive: http://elitistjerks.com/f40/t12720-m...s_flurry_work/

See you, auntie.