I heard a rumor that chugging a winterfall firewater fixes that for non-taurens (excluding gnomes probably :P). Anyone know if that actually works?

I also took a while to switch from fast to slow. I used to use 2.7/1.4 and went to 2.7/2.6. I found without WF, buffs, drums and so on its very noticeable. For trash and 5 mans I have been using my execute weapons(1.5/1.4) and found it much easier. When the mob only lives for 6-15 seconds its important not to miss and not have rage. On a longer boss fight you can build a reserve and a miss wont hurt as much.

I am trying to find some way to work streaks into spreadsheets but will probably have to settle for an approximation(which is what sheets are anyway). I suspect that the gap between fast and slow is smaller than people think. It all depends on your hit of course, but its hard to get over ~14% +hit without losing other stuff.

Problem is, winterfall firewater is a battle elixir.

the slight loss of ap would not matter that much if youre able to dps the whole time without getting stunned. i'll make sure to try this next week.

I think the dps time gained from outranging the stun would make up for the loss in AP. Considering that Kaz stuns rather frequently.

Probably, just a note so you won't use flask or other battle elixir before trying

A sexy female Tauren would be correct.

Sometimes I get one cripple.
Yesterday I only got 1,9k still first.

If you don't mind me asking, how do you handle your rage with around 10% hit with Slow/Slow weapon combination?

I'm used to running with Slow/Fast and I got kind of used to the smooth rage generation.

I tried Slow/Slow a week back and I found that sticking to my usual rotation was hard with around 12% hit, wondering if you use HS less with Slow/Slow then you would with Slow/Fast?

I run with 10,74% hit too. Sometimes you have problems, when miss-streaking, most times its absolutely no problem. With Melee Shaman, LOTP, full raid buffs, probably CoR/Faerie Fire on the boss and pots, you have always enough rage on boss fights. Though trashmobs can be annoying, with 2 slow weapons and low hitrating the rage-gain at the beginning of the fight is not very efficient.


I have a little question about Cloak of Fiends:

Atm I'm wearing Dory's Embrace, and I'm at 616 passive ArP. Spreadsheet is telling me Cloak of Fiends is 1,6 more DPS with CoR + Fearie Fire on the boss (14,56% haste with Cloak of Fiends) and 504 ArP. So should I wear Cloak of Fiends, or stay with Dory's Embrace (12 stamina and 20 Res more)?

I transitioned to slow/slow with the patch that made WW hit with both weapons. It took about a week to get used to it, but for the most part the only thing is to not ever hit HS unless you are over 50 rage or so to ensure that you have enough rage to carry out your cycle in the event you get an unlucky miss streak or lack of crits. I can definitely say that my DPS is better with slow/slow than it was with slow/fast. Either that or I just got better at the game. It is just a matter of learning to budget rage. Your rage generation over the course of a fight will be the same, it just comes in bigger bursts. You can, in essence, get off the same amount of the same kinds of attacks, you just can't hit your rage dump like a rabid weasel every time there is enoughrage to hit it. You have to adjust to waiting for your rage to be at a level that it needs to be dumped. So that you don't have to waste your time armorying me for a frame of reference for my + hit to yours, I have 191 hit rating.

Yes, try to save some rage. About 30, so you can always hit BT.

More +hit or a fast offhand is like trading some damage for an easier handling.

How much dps do you do as fury?
How much dps do you do as arms? If you're 31 in arms and no BFrenzy (33 in arms), you are officially a complete waste of a raid slot. You are doing less dmg, more threat, and no raid buff compared to fury.

As soon as your personal dps (as arms) + 4% of all physical dps > your personal dps (as fury) + all other physical dps, then you make the switch. Typically, even if you are melee light, just having 4-5 other physical dps will prove BFrenzy being the more beneficial spec. (In other words, Blizz needs to make fury raid-worthy again.)

Just checked our latest Rage Winterchill kill:

Total raid dps: 16018
Psysical dps in raid: 9051 (3 hunters, 2 rogues, 1 fury, 1 prot in dps gear, 1 prot tank, 2 ferals)

If Deep wounds have 100% uptime, that means the BF equals 362 dps. In my experience, Deep Wounds should have over 90% uptime.

Just check your WWS logs for psys damage and calculate the effect of BF. If it's greater than the dps difference between your specs, you spec 33/28

Hi, I've been searching for a topic where meta gems for warriors were discussed, but so far I havent had any luck, therefore I decided to post my question here;
- What meta gem is best for PvE, 12agi 3% increased crit dmg, or the 24ap and minor run speed one, for a warrior raiding MH/BT using the S3 helm?

Thanks in advance, Zonekiller.

The [Relentless Earthstorm Diamond] is by far the best option.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...blacksmith.jpg

Absolutely amazing. These beat out Tier 6, Grips of Silent Justice(If you can afford to lose some armor pen).

The Future of the DPS Warrior seems bright.

I'd say they're more than just an alternative, they're amazing. The T6 boots on the other hand are quite disappointing. It may be too soon to really tell, but with the new loot we've seen I'm wondering if the 4 piece T6 bonus is worth keeping.

Actually the Leatherworking gloves are quite ridiculous, and BoE.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...herworking.jpg

Going from Grips to those you gain 2.39% Crit, 10AP. you lose 21 Armor pen and 15 hit(.94% Hit).

Pretty nice.

They look like a craftable upgraded [Pillager's Gauntlets]. Is 8 str and 2.2% haste really an upgrade over 175 Arp? Both gloves seem to be a wash unless you are using a 2h and are already at the Arp "cap". And I don't understand why so many items have haste on them. It was a moderately questionable stat prior to the nerf, and almost certainly not worth it after except maybe a supplemental piece here or there if again you are using a 2h. So far, the only item I can see that is a "clear" upgrade would be the new bracers. But then that's to be expected since the old came from a T5 dungeon.

Done some theorycrafting with the new items in the Spreadsheet:

Hard Khorium Breastplate, best breastplate ever. Hard Khorium Gloves are also very nice, but clearly not as nice as the Leatherworking ones.

Bracers + Belt from T6 are very nice upgrades (both 35+ DPS over RBOB / Bracers of Eradication). The boots aren't so good though, even worse than Dreadboots.

edited: misread.

to Graul: according to spreadsheet the Khorium Gloves are clearly better.

Yeah, I really don't think that the plate gloves are that great compared to the [Grips of Silent Justice]. The Leatherworking ones do seem better.

I'm suprised that the plate chestpiece is pretty much being ignored though. It looks like the new best-in-slot plate chestpiece. Even if you desperately needed the hit on it, if you put 3 +10 hit gems in it, then compared it to the [Heartshatter Breastplate]

You trade off:
-2 Strength
+10 Stamina
-3 Crit Rating
+280 Armor Pen

Which seems like a decent upgrade. Same goes for [Onslaught Breastplate].
+8 Strength
+0.82% crit (~18 crit rating)
+1 stam
-16 hit
+154 Armor Pen

You're also way more likely to get the crafted BP's socket bonus of +4 crit rating since all the sockets are red.

Speaking of haste, did anyone see the new tanking chest piece off of a vendor? http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr/24/plate.jpg 2nd column, bottom item. What is up with 40 haste on that? I hope it's a typo. They just gave us expertise, now they're giving us haste to increase parry-gibbing ourselves again

I intend to make a little noise about melee haste in general on the PTR forums once most of the idiocy has died down. Who knows, they might pay attention and listen.