Confirmed that the Human Passive Racial no longer double stacks if you use a mace/sword.
This opens up a lot of possiblities for human warriors who were up until now rather dead locked into a set weapon type. Myself personally, I'm looking forward to the new badge Fist weapons that were data-mined. These look rather amazing for DW warriors from the aspect of large "chunk" Whirlwinds.
Anyone else got anything they'd like to add about the new weapons that have been confirmed and/or data mined?
2nd, My main is Gabriell. Ravenwoods (Twisting nether EU) Arms dps warrior inr aids. On the topic of Execute over cycle
I personally only execute @ the end of a complete cycle. With a 2h I barely stick to the rage minimum for effective Execute anyway since a lucky (or unluckt for executes sake) Crit SS or WF will but me over 30. After the ms ww ms cycle I always have a sec or 2 to spare. toss in an execute there. I wouldnt notice not using execute in raids these days since its just not damage efficient.
Below 20% I go for:
White slam MS white slam ww white slam Ms white slam execute -> repeat from start. Normally execute is replaced by Demoshout. above 20% that is.
I was under the impression that wf favours slower weapons because of the conversion of AP to weapon dps. An extra 50 weapon dps from AP on a 2.00 speed weapon would yield twice the increase in weapon damage as a 1.00 speed weapon and hence the difference in wf effectiveness, or am I completely wrong here?
Yes: the itemization team still failed. 2.5spd and not 2.7 or even 2.8?
Did you even notice that while all those Badges weapons have an itemlevel higher than BT/Hyjal non-endboss weapons they're all designed to still be worse? Otherwise why would you even bother with raiding any instance but Sunwell? So it's not really the itemization team that failed but moreso your flawed expectation of Blizzard giving free items better than Hyjal/BT loot to everyone.
Edit: I'm sorry that it sounds a bit offensive in the end.
An extra 50 weapon dps from AP on a 2.00 speed weapon would yield twice the increase in weapon damage as a 1.00 speed weapon and hence the difference in wf effectiveness, or am I completely wrong here?
Yes, but a 1.0 speed weapon would have twice as many WF procs as a 2.0 speed weapon, so it evens out.
Damage from WF totem per hit can be written as follows:
Remember, this is the average damage 'per hit' of WF. To convert this into DPS we need to multiply by hits per second (or 1/WeaponSpeed). The weaponspeed terms cancel out giving:
DPSfromWF = 0.2 * (weaponDPS + Attackpower/14)
Hence, the bonus from WF is basically* the same for any weaponspeed.
*(Of course, if you were to take into account it's effect on rage generation, flurry, etc. you might be able to find some small variance, but theres are all small, extra factors apart from it's base mechanics)
However the slower the mainhand weapon is the higher your Heroic Strike % of total MH swings will be, increasing your total MH hit chance and thus also increasing the WF proc chance per MH swing.
Confirmed that the Human Passive Racial no longer double stacks if you use a mace/sword.
This opens up a lot of possiblities for human warriors who were up until now rather dead locked into a set weapon type. Myself personally, I'm looking forward to the new badge Fist weapons that were data-mined. These look rather amazing for DW warriors from the aspect of large "chunk" Whirlwinds.
Anyone else got anything they'd like to add about the new weapons that have been confirmed and/or data mined?
Does the 5 Expertise gained from mainhand also count for the offhand, if the offhand isn't a Mace or Sword? If so, I'll get slow axe or fistweapon offhand, instead of the expensive slow One-Hand-Sword S3.
Does the 5 Expertise gained from mainhand also count for the offhand, if the offhand isn't a Mace or Sword? If so, I'll get slow axe or fistweapon offhand, instead of the expensive slow One-Hand-Sword S3.
I do not believe it works like that. Last time I was on the PTR my expertise 'tab' showed 5/5 which I assume is for 5 for MH and 5 for OH. I might be wrong though.
For some stupid reason I was thinking back to some theorycrafting on wf pre change to autoattack procs only, where procs from yellow attacks with a slow mainhand would obviously be better.
I can see where wf as a rage feedback mechanism would be a large boost for 2h dpsing giving the rage for slam, instant cycles, the other major factor being that and your white hits are obviously capped compared to DW and you wont 'miss' any wf procs. As Hidden said with a slow MH weapon a larger portion of MH hits will be heroics hence less MH white misses and therefore more wf proc chances than a faster weapon.
I don't know if that would be a huge difference but a difference nonetheless.
Hi guys, first time poster here. I have been reading a lot in this thread, the spreadsheet thread and the 2h-pve dps thread. My main goal has been to learn more about 2h Fury. Everything seems to be about 33/28, now my guild run a 33/28 warrior in most raid so my purpose in raids is to put out the most dmg possible while keeping BS up. I am currently specced 17/44 and do reasonably well on damage meters but I really like the look of 2h play style. So my question is, can 2h Fury out do DW Fury if played well? I also don't understand why people are speccing 31/30 for pure dps, surely it would be better to go 30/31 (taking bloodthirst instead of MS) or even something like this Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft I'm not sure how sword spec compares to Imp Zerker).
I have searched around a lot and learnt a lot about 2h dps, unfortunately most mention of 2h Fury is immediately shot down by people bringing up 33/28.
I have searched around a lot and learned a lot about 2h dps, unfortunately most mention of 2h Fury is immediately shot down by people bringing up 33/28.
If 2H fury out damaged DW fury "if played well", it would be commonly accepted that 2H fury would be the best DPS spec (believe it or not, a lot of the people here can play very well). If you want to DPS with a 2H, spec arms/BF, otherwise you're not going to be competitive in damage, and you're not bringing any significant raid buffs.
1. Unless you're hit capped, dual wielders will recieve less benefit from windfury simple due to the fact that they're missing more main hand swings--opportunities for windfury to proc (btw, this doesn't hold up for the dps spreadsheet--even after pumping my hit rating up to 400, it still gave my two handed build a bigger boost from wf than it did my dual wield build).
2. If you are, in fact, dual wielding, the damage bonus you get from windfury is, AT BEST, only marginally influenced by MH weapon speed.
That seems like the recap thus far.
I'm still unclear on one point. If a slow MH leads to a greater percentage of your MH swings being HS swings, won't that DECREASE your windfury bonus since you'll have fewer white damage MH attacks?
1. Unless you're hit capped, dual wielders will recieve less benefit from windfury simple due to the fact that they're missing more main hand swings--opportunities for windfury to proc (btw, this doesn't hold up for the dps spreadsheet--even after pumping my hit rating up to 400, it still gave my two handed build a bigger boost from wf than it did my dual wield build).
2. If you are, in fact, dual wielding, the damage bonus you get from windfury is, AT BEST, only marginally influenced by MH weapon speed.
That seems like the recap thus far.
I'm still unclear on one point. If a slow MH leads to a greater percentage of your MH swings being HS swings, won't that DECREASE your windfury bonus since you'll have fewer white damage MH attacks?
The reason 2h gains more from windfury than DW does, is higher weapon DPS. If you were swinging a 100dps 3.8 speed two hander it would see similar gains overall compared to a 100DPS 1.5 speed one hander. The disparity comes from 2h having an extra 30ish DPS, as well as the aforementioned loss of WF procs from being under hit cap. The last factor that influences the damage gains from windfury between 2h and dw is that 2h generally has lower rage generation than dw, to the point where without windfury it's much more likely that a bit of bad luck can throw cycles off, where a DW warrior has to go for quite a long string of dodge/miss to see the same impact on rage generation.
As to your last question, windfury can proc off of HS as well as white damage. So more HS means more hit capped attacks to proc, thus an increase in overall proc rate.
I'm still unclear on one point. If a slow MH leads to a greater percentage of your MH swings being HS swings, won't that DECREASE your windfury bonus since you'll have fewer white damage MH attacks?
Windfury can proc off of attacks that replace MH attacks such as HS and cleave.
Edit: Possibly sword spec, not sure about that one.
Maybe I missed some post over the 122 pages talking about it, but, did anyone take in count the new 2.4 gear?
At first when I saw it, my first opinion was "god damnit, haste all over the place...", but...
For MS/BF builds, where going bellow, lets say, 2.7-2.5 speed is bad, if you can get around 15% ish haste from 2.4 gear, and still upgrade your main stats (Crit, ArP, Ap, Hit), wouldn't be a good way to drop some points from fury to get into imp ms for the extra 20%~ MSdps?
Did not work on any math at all, just throwing this idea.
Edit: One problem would be dropping Weapon Mastery and SS to get only 4/5 into imp ms : /
Windfury can proc off of attacks that replace MH attacks such as HS and cleave.
Edit: Possibly sword spec, not sure about that one.
If you mean that, Sword Spec can proc Windfury and vice versa. I've once had 7 autohits at the same time that consisted of Sword Specs and Windfuries proccing of eachother. (Before you ask, yes, it was in the current patch)
Sword spec cannot proc Windfury, only white attacks can.
So how do you explain that? Didn't take a screen of that 7 hits but 3 should be enough to at least show that WF and Sword Spec can proc on one hit, shouldn't it? Next time I get 4 or more, I'll take a screen as well but those moments are very rare (5% Sword Spec of 20% WF of 5% Sword Spec = 0.05% per autohit to get 4 hits for example) and it's not very likely that I'll get 7 or even 6 hits ever again.
Screenshot:
And anyway, Blizzard has never stated that WF and SS don't proc eachother, they just changed that you can't proc multiple SS from one hit.
I remember something about that in patch notes but that doesnt mean it doesnt happen either. Same for that screenshot too, doesnt really show much. A combat log would be more useful as it would show the gains of WF and sword spec.
I've looked like a madman but can't find the WWS, however, I've oneshot myself on RoS off of sword procs/WF procs chaining. Wish I had a combat log to show but until I saw people denying it now I was 100% sure it could.
02/18/08, 12:24 PM
and not 2.7 or even 2.8?
