Smörj

This no-slam rotation really got me interested.

But regarding spec for this, what do you think about going 28/33 instead of 33/28 getting an extra 10% from Flurry and 2sec faster cooldown on Whirlwind instead of Improved Discipline (2/3)/Improved Intercept and Blood Frenzy?

Would it even be possible to outdo 17/44 with it? Considering you got optimal gear like this ~ chardev.org - A World of Warcraft character planner v.3.a

Or am I just whising to come up with something innovative here?

 

Webb

So whats the basic "rotation"? Keep MS/WW on cd and HS/hamstring your rage away? And do you save rage to make full executes, for spam 2h/spam DW set in execute range?

1: You will need BF at all times, as a 2h warrior. Definately. Flurry uptime and a couple of WW's wont fill the 500+ dps gap up to an equal geared fury.

2: The "optimal gear"-set you post, only consists of the highest lvl items or did you actually consider it? Somehow you managed to sacrifice armor cap, hit cap and expertise cap for 224 haste rating.. And you didnt even go all-in on haste. Imo choices like [Clutch of Demise] - [Warharness of Reckless Fury] - [Blade of Life's Inevitability] are all better for your set, maybe even consider a higher BF uptime and a little haste and throw a Mongoose on Apolyon :P

3: All that being said, oooh it would be so nice to make a haste-based set for 2h spec, and you will LOVE it in WotLK when you get Titan Grip. If your guild pwns and already have a Arms warrior, but no fury, make the full-flurry spec with DST and 200+ haste, keep the Drums of Battle and Haste Potions flowing and post a WWS. Now that would be truely interesting

 

Smörj

1: Yeah guess so.

2: Nah I didn't look into armor cap, but the wonder of food makes the hit cap precisly. And it was just to much sex to turn down the Sliver for SoC.

3: Yeah, looking at about 2s swingspeed with Apolyon. Just give that now godaim.

 

Ramayana

Essentially yea, Graul stated it earlier in the thread, use MS/WW whenever they up up on CD, use Heroic when you have over 60 rage and hamstring when you're over 40 rage with MS/WW on cooldown.

Personally for execute range, I popped Death Wish and Recklessness so for the duration of that basically every execute was a full rage execute, and once it dropped I continued just spamming it. I'd like to try swapping to 2 swords, slow MH fast OH and seeing how executing is then, but I don't have a fast OH sword. ><

33/28 is pretty set in stone, the main reason to bring an arms warrior is Blood Frenzy, you can't drop it.

As to ideal gear, I don't think it is a whole lot different then the ideal gear for an arms warrior using slam rotation. A no slam rotation may make haste more useful, but you still pretty much will be picking the best in slot for each item, which aside from using a DST, doesn't change a whole lot of item choices.

Based on gear setup you posted, I personally would use Leggings of the Immortal Night over Felfury, Golden Bow of Quel'Thalas/Thoridal (lol) over badge xbow, and I'm undecided on Sliver. The sliver is amazing, but 11 Expertise loss is huge.

 

Smörj

Aye, should've just skipped that and just asked straight out if it had a chance against 17/44. Since I realised it's pretty clear that the personal dps would be better with 28/33 :P

Hmms yeah, could be an idea. Then you could swap the Choker aswell for the JC craftable with a 5str 4hit gem to make cap with food buff.

 

Beefcakes

Got a question about expertise and yellow damage. I'm an orc using axe on MH and fist of OH. So my experise is +5MH , 0OH. How does this affect yellow damage?

 

DarthGreg

Special attacks are with the main-hand, will be affected if you're matching your weapon racial in that hand.

 

Gruntle

Well, since you have extra expertise on your MH, all attacks from that hand will have less dodges (1.25%), this means that all your BT's, HS and half of your WW attacks will be dodged 1.25% less. So, your yellow damage from these attacks will go up by roughly 1.25%. In principle I guess about 90% of the yellow damage will come from the MH, so about 1.1% increase in total yellow damage (disregarding added rage generation from white non-dodged attacks).

Or, just input the stuff in one of the spreadsheets and look at it in detail.

 

Webb

The dps difference from T6 to Sunwell-item on shoulder, is much smaller than it is on the chest slot. And as far as the dps goes; Download Recount (ace addon). Look at your Bloodthirst dmg on Brut encounter. Take away 5% and write it down. Look at your spreadsheet difference from T6 to each of the 3 shoulders you linked.

Without having done this, my bet would be that fury warriors would want the Demontooth if they dont have 1350 ArP, else Berserking. Arms will go T6.

 

Mardraum

Berserking is superior, the 4 piece bonus isn't that much damage... arms or otherwise.

 

Webb

1942 dps last Brutallus - 13% of which was due to MS, and 5% af that amounts to 12,623 dps. Berserking wont bring you 12,623 dps by any spreadsheet i have seen..

 

Mardraum

5% of 13% is 0.65%.

4 piece bonus contributed to 0.65% of your total damage. Correct me if i'm wrong...

Best in slot gear from sunwell = 3 piece t6 and it's still more DPS on my spreadsheets (grim13) without 4 piece bonus

 

Webb

Since all the spreadsheets measure in "DPS", wouldnt it be more serving to calculate by the same measure? I dont know what your point is, Mardraum, all i am saying is that T6 setbonus makes more dps than running Pauldrons of Berserking and missing the setbonus (with my data in the sheets).

And yes, 0,65% of 1942 dps = 12,623 dps. How much difference do you see from T6 to Berserking in your spreadsheets? I guess it really also depends on gear lvl and playstyle (a regular slam rotation will let MS be up for several seconds before using the cd, whereas a DST/haste build will let you chain cd's = more MS's)

 

Kyrudun

Hey guys, quick and simple post here. I picked up a warglaive about a week ago, which opened my door to fury up. We got Felmyst to 10% so we're really working for a dps push so we can get her down on Sunday. I'm here to ask you guys whether or not I should be arms (I have CE, different pants/bow), or fury spec for Felmyst hardcore attempts. You can armory me to check out what I'm currently wearing, and other than that I guess I'll give you a rundown on our raid composition;

We usually have 1-2 rogues, an enhancement shaman, a ret pally, our tank, and a survival hunter.

Our best night so far has been this: http://http://wowwebstats.com/bucg5h2uqqnlw

After the 10% attempt (try 14) I was put in, in place of the other warrior (who was arms), Sagnessagiel.

So if any of you guys could give me some feedback on what spec you think I ought to be, please do. I like to think my arms dps is pretty decent, I usually hit 2000 on Brutallus with one bloodlust. Unfortunately I haven't had much time to test fury out as my guild is still wondering about the transition of fury vs. arms, so all I can say is that it is definately noticeably stronger. Any help is appreciated, thanks.

~Kyrudun

 

• Mjollnir

Your current Fury spec is fine. If you're wondering if you should play Fury or Arms, play whichever you fancy more. From a min/max perspective, you run with a light physical dps crew, so Arms wouldn't give too much of an additional benefit.

 

Waagaa

This log proves nothing.
The sword spec gain always shows up in the combat log before the hit that triggered it.
So what else happens at 22:12'34.953?

 

Voxx

Now I know this is a pretty petty thing to mention, but for the sake of correctness: 0.65% of 1942 is far from 12,624 "dps." It's 12.624. The way you have that decimal written for some reason keeps trying to tell me 12 thousand and not 12.624.

 

Magna

Some countries use commas instead of decimals in their number system.

 

Grayson Carlyle

27.6 DPS, the set bonus would add 13.16 DPS to my last Brutallus kill.

To me, that justify's [Pauldrons of Berserking] over [Onslaught Shoulderblades].

It's not even that the shoulders are the best of our set from T6, just that all our other options are shitty too. [Shoulderpads of the Stranger] are better than them, unless you're otherwise already at the expertise dodge cap.

 

milanista11

After some time yesterday my guild worked on Brutallus again and im on duty to play 2 hand/ blood frenzy DPS.

My question is at the Bloodlust + Death wish + Haste pot + possible DST proc + Flurry timer, do i still need to keep slam rotation? Because i feel like at that much haste its so hard to keep my rotation (i sit at 500-600 ms ping usually).

I tried to use Heroic strike instead Slam when the Bloodlust timing and im pretty pleased with the result.

But if i check Grayson's WWS and most other slam warrior they usually do 0 Heroic Strike even they got Bloodlust and using Haste potion

 

ceasefire

Once your swing timer is 2.5-2.8ish, it's probably time to forgo Slam. With your ping, I would probably forgo at 3.1.

 

Grayson Carlyle

I'm not in a normal situation though :/ I've never had a sub-20% Bloodlust to pop Haste, Death Wish and Recklessness together.

I start the fight with a Haste Potion after I get Demo Shout off so that my swing timer is just below 2.5, getting me into a GCD rotation to get it started. After that, I use Death Wish on top of Bloodlusts (I usually get 2) and then pop a Haste potion right after Bloodlust wears off, so that I keep a sub 2.5 swing for a full minute. Stacking Haste and Bloodlust would either mean dropping the rotation in favour of heroics, or executes. I don't like the idea of stacking both for a bit to lose my rotation, so that's why I chain them. It might not be the best option under ideal circumstances, but it's what I do. If I got Bloodlust in Execute range, then I would totally pop Haste and go to town, but that's why you will rarely see any Heroic Strikes in my logs.

 

milanista11

Wow Web Stats

2 nights of attempt finally down bruttalus.

I dont have enchant shaman in my group not also bloodlust.
My group consist of 2 BM hunters, 1 feral druid (the main tank) and 1 shaman (dropping GoA and Str).
I found it very usefull in term to keep my Blood Frenzy debuff all time, with around 42% crit chance i feel like never see my deep wound wear off.

 

Voxx

I'm aware of that, but no country uses decimals instead of commas to represent numbers in the thousands.

 

Waagaa

We do in the Netherlands. But of course you shouldn't in an English speaking forum.