Yes, I did, I figured mentioning it in every line of my post was enough, I'll try harder next time.

Except the important part though...

Which means you must refresh over and over and over again until the numbers stop changing. Makes some changes, then refresh and refresh and refresh and refresh until the numbers stop changing again.

This is not the spreadsheet thread; shut the fuck up, all of you.

I've got 2 Questions:

WF can only procc on landing White Hits, but can WF procc miss or be dodged/parried?

Same Question for Sword Specialization

SS can only procc on landing Hits, but can SS procc miss or be dodged/parried?

SS could be tested with a Rogue with 100% avoidance and a Warrior without Expertise/Hit equiped. Overpower cant be dodged but can procc SS -> if white hit of SS lands -> SS proccs always land when it proccs.

Yes. The procs are treated as if they were normal white hits so everything that applies to your white hits applies to them as well.

Ok i have a question about Macros

i want a Macro that priorize BT/WW/Execute.

As stated here DMG per Rage

WW and BT do more dmg per rage if you have enough Rage. But you should do an attack on every GCD, and not wait for the Rage for a BT/WW. Because an Attack on every GCD increases PPM and Flurry uptime and the lower your Rage is if you can perform an Execute, the better is Dmg per Rage. A 10 Rage Execute -> 92.5 DMG per Rage 12 Rage Execute -> 77 DMG per Rage ... (First one with T6 Bonus and 1 point in imp Execute, Second only with T6 Bonus).

Would a Macro like this work? And how can i make it that there wont be Error Messages on my Screen because of this Marco?

/cast Bloodthirst
/cast Whirlwind
/cast Execute

How exactly are we contradicting each other then? Specials and white attacks have the same chance to be dodged, parried or blocked. The only thing specials have going for them is that they cap at 9% hit whereas the MH swing with dual wield penalty is, I believe, somewhere around 11% (I can never remember the number)? This would make a 2% higher chance to be missed which I would hardly called "much higher". What am I missing?

Errr, 11% miss chance for the MH swing with dual wield penalty? Unless something has drastically changed in the past few weeks then both MH and OH are penalized equally while dual wielding for a full effect of 9% base + 18% penalty yielding in 27% miss chance. Assuming the average fury warrior has 12% hit chance from gear and talents, the miss rate on the MH and OH would be 14%. Windfury procs don't even come close to 14% miss. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time my Windfury proc missed at all.

That type of macros are impossible to make after 2.0. Macros can never make decisions for you.

The only time issuiing several commands after each other works is when the first one(s) have no gcd (e.g. trinkets) or when used as a failsafe for cooldowns. The macro above would work (at >30 rage) like this:
- BT cd up=> BT is cast
- BT cd down, WW up => WW cast
- both BT and WW cd down, mob beneath 20%, Execute

It will not care about rage, in fact if you have <30 rage the macro will fail directly.

So I'm not 100% if this is the right thread to post this in, and if I'm wrong, my apologies, but I have a tough question.

Basically I'm at a point where all my guild does is Kara/ZA, this is fine, were pretty mellow about stuff. I just want to know weather or not I should invest some badges in the Amani Mask of Death

Currently I'm wearing the T4 Helm Warbringer Battle-Helm

I know Meta Gem slots are typically considered the decider with stuff like this, but honestly I just don't think the Meta gems offer what the Mask has better stat wise. However before I spend the badges I figured I'd ask here first.Thanks in advance.

The T4 helm is definitely better than the badge helm. I'd suggest the fists and legs, but you already have them. Perhaps the trinket then? Or maybe even the 2H axe in preparation of TG?

Just a quick question... [Cataclysm's Edge] or [Brutal Gladiator's Greatsword]? What is better for PvE? I would loose ArP but gain hit, so im thinking drop my [Choker of Endless Nightmares] and use [Choker of Serrated Blades].

Just add the numbers up, it's really not that hard.

CE + CoEN is 52 more attack power, 2 more hit rating and 65 more armor penetration than BGG + CoSB
BGG + CoSB is 54 more stamina and 33 more resilience than CE + CoEN.

You missed the bit about gaining crit:

CE + CoEN: 335 ArP, 237 AP (assuming kings), 27 crit, 21 hit, 138.0 dps weapon

BGG + CoSB: 273 ArP, 180 AP (assuming kings), 50 crit, 19 hit, 140.3 dps weapon

CE + CoEN gives 62 ArP, 25 AP (32 AP goes to making up the weapon dps difference), and 2 hit
BGG + CoSB gives 23 crit

Under this light CE + CoEN is probably better, but ArP is going to take a serious hit in effectiveness in 3.0 and wotlk and you could probably sub out some other item instead of the choker because it's a very good item. If you drop some hit somewhere else you'd probably see a dps boost by going to BGG.

What do people think of professions for wotlk? I currently have Mining and BS, and have been toying with moving mining to an alt. I know they arent done, but there doesnt seem to be a whole lot of things that are BoP.
JC have some gems and trinkets, Inscription a shoulder enchant, Eng get a helm(with no +hit), ect. Anyone with other professions feel they get something from it that is/will be useful?

So I've been looking around all over and I can't find an answer to a couple of questions.

I've recently gotten ahold of two decent weapons for the purposes of using them with Titan's Grip in the upcoming patch. I have the Torch of the Damned, and Jin'Rohk.

Is there a thread somewhere that contains discussions regarding what weapons would be the best choice (assuming TG doesn't undergo some massive mechanics change)? Is TG factored into a spreadsheet that I have yet to find?

My other question is, when I do arrive at two weapons that I'm happy with, what would be the route to go with enchants? I know Executioner has a better proc rate when applied to slower weapons, but I was under the impression that the opposite is true of Mongoose, and that it procs more often when applied to faster weapons. If that is the case, would Savegry be a better route to go for the OH slot?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

I have a basic sheet that I might upload sometime, but Im not going to do something more detailed or work on my sim until the mechanics are more final.

I also have a sheet, that I guess I could upload, but it's not done and likely contains bugs.

As to weapons for TG. Torch of the damned is an excellent TG weapon, since it's very slow it does really hard slams and WW's. Barring SWP weapons (that I haven't really looked at since I have no chance of obtaining them), I think ToD(MH)+ Cataclysm's edge (OH) is likely one of the best combinations you can get (I get that beating Cat(MH)+ToD(OH) by a very small margin). Torch+Jinrokh is not bad, but Cataclysm or Soul Cleaver both beat it.

I'm seriously considering Blade of Harbingers as an OH. It's an ol' skool of thought that what counts in the OH is DPS and stats. From a pure stats point of view, combining TotD with BoH nets you an incredible 103 Haste Rating, 93 crit rating and 231AP before kings but after imp zerker stance. I would say it's probably the best thing you can pick up if you're not raiding.

Cat's edge might have been a powerful weapon pre patch 3.0 due to it's armor penetration rating. But when you think about it, using the badge weapon over CE means you lose about 50AP and 48 Armor Penetration Rating (which is between 6-7% armor reduction and an even smaller dps increase) but gain 55 crit rating and 53 haste rating.

Also, matching CE and BoH means you get to match MH/OH at 3.5secs, with the possibility of getting 4 flurried blows for 3 flurry charges.

Yeah, I forgot about BoH. I'm getting Cat+BoH to be the best combination (again, no SWP stuff included), coming out slightly ahead of ToD+BoH.

With my spreadsheet BoH comes as 2nd choice for 2h for TG and 3rd for arms (Shivering Felspine is better for arms, but cant be dual wielded).

Best Weapons are

Apolyon
BoH
S4
Torch
S3
TotP (Kaelthas sword)
Cataclysm.

Yea with much lower value of ArP now, cataclysm falls behind a lot - and huge hit value means 3 socket weapons like apolyon/twinblade get a big boost cause of 3x10 hit socketing.

Apolyon is quiet a bit ahead so if you have one its a clear choice to use it (dual apolyon of course being the best). Im torn on the synced weapons though. It seems that 2xs4 is better then S4+BoH (still losing to dual BoH), but thats spreadsheet. In real play i actually PREFER unsynced weapons due to much smoother rage generation.

Either way it seems close to perfect weapons are alvaiable to everyone - dual BoH really seems to own.



EDIT : Above post is pure dps perspective. In all honesty, personally i would rate dual S4 as better then 2xBOH for actual raids. Dps might be like 1% lower, but as some point stamina starts to count. Dual S4 provides 1500 hp boost over dual BOH, and such amount DOES make a difference in sunwell fights.

Shha, right now I'm trying to find a way to achieve 332 hitrating without regemming everything. Dual Apolyon seems unlikely for me, but S4 offers 19 hitrating. So the combination of Apolyon + S4 "feels" better than Apolyon + BoH.

Which spreadsheet are you using right now?