I have a quick question. Wich gloves are better out of Pillager's Gauntlets and Grips of Silent Justice. I have both but not sure wich ones to use as this is the one the few items where you choose between haste and -armor -.^

You should reevaluate your choice between HS and Cleave. Post #557 in this thread should help explaining why.

There's a nice spreadsheet in another post on this forum if you wish to look further into comparing items, from just looking at them(and having the Pillager's Gauntlets, the Grips havent dropped for us yet), I'd say that if you're wearing other -armor items, you should use the Grips instead, depending on how you socket them they should be the better choice.

Are you not better swapping WW and BT there since WW has a longer CD?

He just means what priority each move has, such as if whirlwind were going to be usable again about half a second earlier than bloodthirst, you're still better off waiting for bloodthirst to come up, using it, and then using whirlwind instead of postponing your bloodthirst for 1 second due to the global cooldown after using whirlwind.

I do it that way. Plus putting 1 pt in Imp WW puts it on 9 second cooldown which is a nice even multiple of the 1.5s gcd.

If you want to do the lazy fury warrior's easy DPS method get a G15 keyboard and create a macro with your skills in the following order (presedence)

Victory Rush
Bloodrage
Execute
Beserker Rage
Whirlwind
Bloodthirst
Hamstring

And you'd probably want to create one without WW in it for those times when AE is bad.

Does anyone have any real world data from Pillager's V. Silent Justice? The spreadsheet does not do it for me.

Thanks

What do you mean by real world data?
In a "real world" test the randomness involved will outdo the difference of the two gloves by a large margin so your only option is theorycraft in form of a spreadsheet.

By the way, does anyone have a spreadsheet for BC? In the Warrior Spreadsheet thread I could only find one pre-BC or did I miss something?

I was running 1/2 imp WW for a long time because of this, but I found that WW and BT were still coming off cooldown during the same GCD. I assume this was minor lag, resulting in my cooldowns being slightly longer than the global cooldown, but I can't say for certain. I had to respec to prot for a bit, and when I went back to fury I dropped the point in imp WW to see how it played out in actual raiding, rather than the pure theorycraft.

Has anyone else had they're cycle get messed up due to small amounts of lag? I'm talking ~150ms or so, what I thought was a small enough amount to not screw up a warrior rotation.

http://elitistjerks.com/412012-post1414.html
Not sure what the status is for on -AC for that.

How much hit rating is optimum for a cookie-cutter 17/44/0 dual-wielding warrior? I know most combat rogues stack a lot, some as much as 300 hit rating. And that's with 2% more +hit from talents than a warrior. But while they are limited by energy, a warrior has no problem with rage and is limited by cooldowns and threat.

So is stacking that much hit rating less effective than stacking AP/crit? Does how much hit rating is optimum depend on how much TPS the tank is generating?

[EDIT:] I found that this post answers most of these questions. [dps Warrior] Hit is hugely overrated

The spreadsheet is sorely outdated for BT/Hyjal gear.

You really should get at least one warrior to sunder, or a rogue to expose with 2/2 talent.

Indeed, especially considering that you can Sunder in any stance.

Sorry, I found it funny that the same question was asked three times on the same page. My opinion is that Grips of Silent Justice are better. Haste really doesn't do as much for warriors as it did pre-rage normalization, and the two red sockets on Grips puts it further ahead.

I don't know of a newer one; I was merely trying to answer his question.

I've been running into an issue with my itemization. I recently picked up all of the trash drops available to me in BT and my crit rating is suffering. Choker of Serrated Blades, Swiftsteel Shoulders, Pillager's Gauntlets, and Band of Devastation all have attack power and haste or armor penetration, but no crit. I've had to re-gem my gear with crit over hit but it still isn't making up the difference. I'm sitting at ~25% crit in zerker stance with 213 hit rating, 1802 attack power (as fury), 175 -AC and 131 base haste rating.

Basically I'm asking if the haste rating and armor pen. is worth it. I'm not very excel-savvy.. so I don't think I can update the warrior spreadsheet on my own. QQ

In a raid environment, I always have an enhancement shaman and feral druid in my party.

In regards to the sundering mobs subject, trash usually dies too fast for me to stack more than 3 sunders, so I just BT/WW with my GCDs.

All this talk of a DW Fury Warrior needing a Rage dump got me thinking about why Heroic Strike is used at all. Even DWing wouldn't Imp Slam be prefereable over Heroic Strike both in terms of DPS, dmg per Rage and threat?

HS only adds 208 dmg and eats up a white swing. With a slow MH like Black Planar Edge (2.7) and Quartz it should be relatively easy to time Slam after a white hit and you'd be doing far more than 208 damage. Slam's not normalised either so a 2.7 speed weapon will be getting a large benefit from your AP. Surely this must result in more DPS than HS spam.

Is there something I'm missing?

your OH doesnt swing while slam is being cast, and it also resets the swing timer of your OH

Even without even comparing the mechanics of crit versus armor penetration, the fact that Choker of Serrated Blades spends so much of its item budget on Stamina makes me hesitant to even say that's it's an upgrade over Pendant of the Perilous.

It is an upgrade, stamina is cheap. [Choker of Endless Nightmares] is just the best because of no stamina.

Would it worth it, to switch to a two hander and slam away 75 rage?