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i noticed you have greater blessing of salvation here instead of greater blessing of light. any tips on how i could convince my raiding pallies to give me greater salv instead of light? right now they just give the warriors greater light and i have a macro to whisper the pally buffing light to give me a 5 min salv. kind of annoying if he dies or runs low on mana (i give him crap everytime he does run low on mana because hes a freakin pally)
EDIT: i also noticed you have martial gauntlets off gruul with some T5. are the gruul gloves better than T4 dps? im hoving at about 200 hit rating now so i figured the extra hit couldnt hurt
It really just depends on how many Warrior tanks you have at any given event. If only one is ever tanking anything, Greater BoS can be cast so that it hits you and BoL can be single cast every now and then on the target (tank) the Paladin is mostly likely on the majority of the fight. There's that and also taking four Paladins. The upcoming patch will fix this problem for the most part though.
I'm not going to wear leather at this stage of the game over plate and give up 1300 armor for a very slight, tiny upgrade. In the past I always had to wear leather for stats....Once you have full plate you never want to go back.
I'm not going to wear leather at this stage of the game over plate and give up 1300 armor for a very slight, tiny upgrade. In the past I always had to wear leather for stats....Once you have full plate you never want to go back.
Why? How often does the extra armor really help you? Especially if its only on one or two pieces...thats 400 armor or so, completely negligable for an upgrade in your dps stats, your only function.
However [Onslaught Gauntlets] I think wins out due to -armor, though again Gauntlets of Martial Perfection come close because of socket potential, 2x +10 str gems in there = 56str, or 112AP, Tier 6 = 102 AP max, same crit, but -91 armor.
At the moment, my DPS gear is far better than my tanking gear, but due to a shortage of tanks (and an abundance of warriors who pretend to dps, but actually get out DPS'd by our druid tanks) means that I can't go fury to help our DPS out.
The gloves from Gruul are very good due to the sockets- this is an annoying fact with T4-5 stuff, the lack of sockets often makes kara loot far better than late game stuff, provided you're willing to spend a couple hundred gold to max the gear out.
On another note, for DPS race fights such as gruul and void reaver, I have to switch to DPS gear fairly regularly, as we go straight from HKM, where we need 4 tanks, to gruul, which needs just 3. For this reason I'd like to know any ways possible to boost my DPS while remaining prot specced- clearly it's impractical for me to respec back and forth to fury/prot to suit our raid needs, as I can't grind the gold in prot, my primary spec.
I usually cringe when I read a "am I ready" question but I am at a crossroads on where to go.
Currently, I have Bloodmoon (35.29% crit in battle stance with axe spec, 1954 atp without battle shout). My guild (cleared SSC, working on KT) has a good warrior who's BF-specced so I can usually go 31-30 or 20-41.
Last week though, I got my hands on a second Netherbane and I specced the typical 17-44 build for a raid. Trouble is, I did terrible. Rage was poor, crit was poor and performance was poor.
For DWing, I can hit 199 hit rating (12.62% before Precision), with 29.9% crit in zerker and 2011 attack power in zerker without Battle Shout or Rampage up.
I can get a Merciless off-hand right now and the faster off-hand might help with rage generation over the slower Netherbane.
My quandary is it worth it right now, on the cusp of HYjal/BT, to switch to DW fury with several pieces of inferior gear or stick it out with the 2hander? And if switching to DW, what baselines stats to shoot for and any tips for maximizing raid performance?
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Last week though, I got my hands on a second Netherbane and I specced the typical 17-44 build for a raid. Trouble is, I did terrible. Rage was poor, crit was poor and performance was poor.
For DWing, I can hit 199 hit rating (12.62% before Precision), with 29.9% crit in zerker and 2011 attack power in zerker without Battle Shout or Rampage up.
I can get a Merciless off-hand right now and the faster off-hand might help with rage generation over the slower Netherbane.
My quandary is it worth it right now, on the cusp of HYjal/BT, to switch to DW fury with several pieces of inferior gear or stick it out with the 2hander? And if switching to DW, what baselines stats to shoot for and any tips for maximizing raid performance?
With those stats, I really don't understand why you would be having issues. The only thing questionable other than how you are actually spending rage is whether or not a slow off hand is going to have that much of an impact. Slow or fast, they should generate "the same" rage over time, but slow will do it in larger chunks, so when you miss you really feel it, and when you hit, have a chance to actually overshoot 100 rage a lot easier.
If you haven't messed around with a DW build for a while, it might just take you a little more practice time to get the hang of it, but personally I find it much less cumbersome than a two handed spec revolving around Slam. If you can get in 3-10 Arena games in a week, you may as well just grind out a quick off hand if you think that's the main problem. Otherwise, just go back to using your two hander and go Fury if it's easier for you to do better damage.
[quote=Randor;466997]I usually cringe when I read a "am I ready" question but I am at a crossroads on where to go.
For DWing, I can hit 199 hit rating (12.62% before Precision), with 29.9% crit in zerker and 2011 attack power in zerker without Battle Shout or Rampage up.
Your stats are perfectly balanced and very good for 17/44. More than enough hit , perfect crit and Attack Power.If you get a good group setup,you should be doing some great dps.No way you can be rage starved with that spec and a good group,except if you qued Heroic Strike every chance.
Check if you do correctly your rotations and if you are used playing this spec.
Of course netherbane isnt the best warrior weapon but its not bad either.A mercilles offhand or mhand will propably outperform a netherbane,but clearly you will not see dramatic changes.
31/30 was a very good option pre WF nerf,now its a bit outperformed by 17/44.
20/41 is better than 31/30 in my opinion and can compete with 17/44.
Its clearly a matter of playstyle,I tested all and think 17/44 is still the king on single target dps.
I don't know if the DPS difference makes up for the speed difference and Tracker's Blade isn't in the DPS spreadsheet last time I checked. And before you say it - I know daggers suck but it's what I got.
what sockets for martial gauntlets? i just figured a sovereign nightseye and either a smooth or rigid dawnstone (rigid for me since im hovering at 200 hit rating).
i noticed you have greater blessing of salvation here instead of greater blessing of light. any tips on how i could convince my raiding pallies to give me greater salv instead of light? right now they just give the warriors greater light and i have a macro to whisper the pally buffing light to give me a 5 min salv. kind of annoying if he dies or runs low on mana (i give him crap everytime he does run low on mana because hes a freakin pally)
EDIT: i also noticed you have martial gauntlets off gruul with some T5. are the gruul gloves better than T4 dps? im hoving at about 200 hit rating now so i figured the extra hit couldnt hurt
Our guild runs at least 2 DPS warriors every raid. Our guild leader is meele himself, so the paladins pay attention to us more than they would, I think, if we ran a ranged-heavy setup. I know where you're coming from having to ask for 5 minute salvation, though. If you're the only DPS warrior in the raid and you don't have enough paladins to go around, I would just hotkey the macro to like 1 or something.
I really like Martial Perfection gloves for the customizability. I've always liked having my stats balanced, so if I swap out my boots with Surefooted for my boots with run speed, I'll throw on the Gruul gauntlets with x2 hit rating gems to keep my hit around 220.
i have the martial but i have them socketed for 33/28 spec and right now im 17/44. i think ill stick with the T4 gloves since it gives me the 4 set bonus anyways and change em out later. has anyone gotten the 4 set bonus for T4 and tried it out? i have really noticed a difference
i have the martial but i have them socketed for 33/28 spec and right now im 17/44. i think ill stick with the T4 gloves since it gives me the 4 set bonus anyways and change em out later. has anyone gotten the 4 set bonus for T4 and tried it out? i have really noticed a difference
The 4 set bonus is border line worthless. If you're getting dodges and parrys showing up on your screen you're doing something terribly wrong. Try standing behind the mob!
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What have you brought to this discussion? The usual vacuous and contentless tripe that you contribute to these forums - no more and no less.
You really need to maintain a certain amount of crit for fury to go anywhere, It's our second most important stat after attack power (No we are not rogues).
We need to crit to keep our "SnD" going and we need alot of it. Im generally running with a feral druid permantly in my group and hover around 37-38% crit in raids. I have rage to spare untill i hit 20%
Unbuffed i have 2035AP 29.39% crit and 223 hit rating.
The 4 set bonus is border line worthless. If you're getting dodges and parrys showing up on your screen you're doing something terribly wrong. Try standing behind the mob!
You really need to maintain a certain amount of crit for fury to go anywhere, It's our second most important stat after attack power (No we are not rogues).
We need to crit to keep our "SnD" going and we need alot of it. Im generally running with a feral druid permantly in my group and hover around 37-38% crit in raids. I have rage to spare untill i hit 20%
Unbuffed i have 2035AP 29.39% crit and 223 hit rating.
Shouldn't the second most important stats be "Hit rating"? Good plates with hit rating stats can only be obtained from 25 men raid.
Shouldn't the second most important stats be "Hit rating"? Good plates with hit rating stats can only be obtained from 25 men raid.
Why would you assume you want hit rating? If you read the entire thread you'd notice you were wrong. Also, plus hit plate does not only come from 25 man raids. I'd direct you to the doom plate set.
My guild has just entered BT and with the upcoming haste "nerf", I was wondering what sort of gear should I am to collect. I'm a blood frenzy warrior, so I know haste already brought some issues to the slam rotation. All in all, what I'm asking if there is still any outstanding haste gear I should pick, or just avoid everything for armor penetration gear or others. At first glance it doesn't seem to be anything with haste worth picking.
09/02/07, 1:52 AM
