Why would you NOT use WW whenever its not on cooldown? It is an instant attack capable of proccing flurry/trinkets etc etc, instead of heroic strike that consumes more rage and adds extra threat?
/boggle.
CC is about the only thing that comes to mind.
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Excellent mathematical analysis; could you comment on the value of crit over AP/str when taking into account threat caps and the Vashj trinket: Prism of Inner Calm.
Is it possible that this trinket tips the balance toward crit earlier in the AP spectrum?
I've never used sequence macros for DPS to be honest. I find the versatility helps far more than having a designated set sequence. Large rage bursts or lack thereof demand a costume sequence for best rage usage and efficiency while still using instants whenever possible. Basically what I do is:
If rage is > 30 and BT is not on CD, use it.
If rage is > 25 and BT IS on CD and the use of WW will not interfere with my next BT from lack of rage or GCD, use it.
If rage is > 60, HS.
Out of all my characters (and their possible specs) my warrior is the only one that I don't use macros for.
BT -> WW -> HS (rage permitting). Then refreshing BS/Rampage when needed.
I've never used sequence macros for DPS to be honest. I find the versatility helps far more than having a designated set sequence. Large rage bursts or lack thereof demand a costume sequence for best rage usage and efficiency while still using instants whenever possible. Basically what I do is:
If rage is > 30 and BT is not on CD, use it.
If rage is > 25 and BT IS on CD and the use of WW will not interfere with my next BT from lack of rage or GCD, use it.
If rage is > 60, HS.
Do you only ever HS when your rage is > 60?
I find myself HSing when BT/WW are on cooldown, and I stop HSing if I need rage for BT/WW when they are about to come off cooldown.
Yeah, depends on how long the cooldowns have to go on the instants and what the rage is, but sometimes I do. That's exactly my point with the macro deal, you can't have a sequence, you have to improvise on what's best for the situation and short term future.
Yeah, depends on how long the cooldowns have to go on the instants and what the rage is, but sometimes I do. That's exactly my point with the macro deal, you can't have a sequence, you have to improvise on what's best for the situation and short term future.
When do you hamstring?
Cause I find myself sometimes having too much rage even with HS spam and I decide to hamstring ironicly at the wrong moment activating a gcd giving me a drop in BT/WW useage.
Cause I find myself sometimes having too much rage even with HS spam and I decide to hamstring ironicly at the wrong moment activating a gcd giving me a drop in BT/WW useage.
I hardly ever do. My hit is not very high, only 200 or so, so my rage generation is about on par with the damage I can do without overaggroing. Also, my gear is only from SSC 5/6 and TK 1/4 and hence far from awesome and my tank generates very good aggro; I don't have problems with spamming HS to get rid of large chunks of rage. I lack a couple good rings, and I'm still using two blue trinkets. Yeah, I need to get the brooch at least, I know.
Tidewalker is a threat limited fight to you? I can press the tank if I don't get tombed, but the threat cap only goes up. If I was higher DPS, which I'm not because I try not to WW the adds and get killed, I might consider needing more threat reduction. At about 600-800 TPS, the tank will hold over me until I am well over 1k DPS.
Vashj adds: The blueberries don't attack and you can't full dps the striders. I guess you are talking about the nagas. I don't hit the nagas for the first 10 seconds they are up. I run around the top killing spare blue berries and proccing VR. If a strider is at 50% or less, I'll hit that some. I probably wouldn't use the threat trinket on this fight.
On Hydross, I dps down an add on each phase shift before I get back on him. A poorly timed attack will pull hydross on you at 500 or 350 threat.
I can see about guessing some numbers at prism but it's really 2 different dimensions. It will always improve your damage/aggro point and it will always cost you DPS. Whether it's useful or not really pertains to A: are you pushing the aggro cap and B: would lessening your HS spam get you under the cap before trading in for a lower dps trinket.
On a side note: Do the striders hit anything around them aside from the fear? I mean, is it ok to DPS with DW or berserker rage up? A lot of times we are lacking just a bit of DPS on those and I'd like to know if it's safe to go in, pop an anti-fear and help out a bit.
On a side note: Do the striders hit anything around them aside from the fear? I mean, is it ok to DPS with DW or berserker rage up? A lot of times we are lacking just a bit of DPS on those and I'd like to know if it's safe to go in, pop an anti-fear and help out a bit.
Provided you don't out-aggro the person kiting the Strider it will not turn around and melee you.
Between tanking Naga's myself and our other tank use Berserker Rage to Intercept and Concussion blow/Hamstring them.
However if you do out aggro the person kiting the Strider I would imagine you would get one-rounded pretty swiftly.
Tidewalker is a threat limited fight to you? I can press the tank if I don't get tombed, but the threat cap only goes up. If I was higher DPS, which I'm not because I try not to WW the adds and get killed, I might consider needing more threat reduction. At about 600-800 TPS, the tank will hold over me until I am well over 1k DPS.
I generally push 1100-1200 DPS on this fight assuming little tombing, i generally push at 90% threat on the meters giving me room for recklessness executes after globules. If i go over 90% i tend to go whirlwind/cleave some adds but it's less fun!
But he has turned around and 1 shot me before, fortunately he didn't tidal the raid.
Vashj adds: The blueberries don't attack and you can't full dps the striders. I guess you are talking about the nagas. I don't hit the nagas for the first 10 seconds they are up. I run around the top killing spare blue berries and proccing VR. If a strider is at 50% or less, I'll hit that some. I probably wouldn't use the threat trinket on this fight.
i have died more than a few times to pulling aggro on Nagas, if i am worried i tend to go berserker rage/intercept stun the strider thats up. Still...
On Hydross, I dps down an add on each phase shift before I get back on him. A poorly timed attack will pull hydross on you at 500 or 350 threat.
I just never go full out, normally just autoattacking to start then ww/cleaving. Add aggro is generally more sketchy than Hydross so i tend to leave them alone as well. Being raid leader i just tend to focus on calling out DoT stopping/Transitions but it would be nice to not worry about pulling and just going balls to the wall.
The more i look at this trinket, the more it seems like a hybrid/offspec trinket. A decent rogue should never need it, Mages neither properly specced. So it just falls to Moonkins, DPS Warriors and non-resto shaman.
Edit: Including death to Tidewalker WWS log around 1200 DPS: Wow Web Stats
Last edited by Mogwai : 09/13/07 at 11:33 AM.
Reason: Including WWS log
Provided you don't out-aggro the person kiting the Strider it will not turn around and melee you.
Between tanking Naga's myself and our other tank use Berserker Rage to Intercept and Concussion blow/Hamstring them.
However if you do out aggro the person kiting the Strider I would imagine you would get one-rounded pretty swiftly.
Jup, they hit for around 8 - 10k when in bezerker stance without tanking gear on.
I have been reading and reading and reading. Trying to figure out how I can improve myself as far as DPS goes. I have been plugging away at the spreadsheet and can't see why I am so off to what the sheet should say for me and my gear.
Cataclysm's Edge trip report: Slam not really worth it compared to what it was when I was using torch. I think I'll max out imp battle shout and put the other point in unbridled wrath or something
My overall dps definitely seems better, though, even putzing around trying to figure out whether or not to use slam in my rotation
I have been reading and reading and reading. Trying to figure out how I can improve myself as far as DPS goes. I have been plugging away at the spreadsheet and can't see why I am so off to what the sheet should say for me and my gear.
Is it my cycle that I am not putting out what I should or have I really peaked at my current gear lvl?
I dont think that you have that low dps only just because of your gear. Its also a little sad that your raid has only one shaman, but well, that should not be the only reason.
Did you observer your cooldowns and had most of the time bt/ww on cooldown and only threw in hs when you had enough rage?
@Mogwai; you are doing like 300 more DPS then me on tidewalker...without cleaving the crap out of the adds too. Only things i can see that you have that i dont are; Enhancement shaman over me having a resto-shaman (+10% AP, improved totems) a feral druid (5% crit) and a dragonspine trophy.
I THINK i could see that accounting for ~300 more dps, give or take. Especially with the current, insane, state of the DST.
@slagkrigare; You will be bottom DPS unless you have a windfury totem...period. WF will boost you personally (from your Kalathress kill data) up at least 12k more damage and 2 spots on the DPS meter, and the rage from that 12k damage would put you within striking distance of top 5 DPS....from 12th.
Seriously, without Windfury, it's not even worth trying really. I had to do vashj this week without windfury (still working on her...had an elemental and resto shaman show. Elemental shaman to mage group, and resto to MT group for grounding) I couldn't break top 12 DPS in phase 1 either. On phase 2 i tore it up on the elementals...but that's because VR is pure hacks on em.
hi, i read this forum since almost 5months but never posted, so be indulgent plz.
So i read the entire thread today to be sure, and unless im completly blind, im looking for the necessary hit for DW fury in BT.
actually my stats are (zerk stance):
1897 AP
26.85 crit
249hit rating
65 haste rating
I played fury during the whole WoW but did arena on TBC, thats why im little lost.
Could anyone tell me the sense where i have to upgrade my stats ?
FYI, i play with rising tide/switsteel & solarian/DFT as trinkets.
09/12/07, 9:17 PM
