WW will still hit Karathress when you are on the totem

But not the other way around.

Taking this thread back to it's origins for a minute.

What do you guys actually think we have in store for the future of the DPS Warrior? O_O

Recently Melee in general has been nerfed over and over.

But in 2.3 there are supposed to be a number of class changes(One confirmed nerf is Mace Spec).

And in the further months we'll see WotLK hit alpha, and get an idea of talents we'll see in Prot/Arms/Fury.

What do you guys think is in store?

death knights, woop woop!
nah but on a more serious note, unless the DK will be superior in dealing damage over a dpswarrior, which i seriously doubt, death knights will probably bring some more raid utility tho..
From what I've seen blizzard doing until today I doubt we'll see any threat dump ability, I believe they want dps-warriors to be threatcapped and thus making rogues superior on most encounters.

However, I think there will always be a spot for atleast one dps-warrior..

in TBC the armstree only really got blood frenzy to make it a possible raid spec, but fury got quite much more to raise the warriors own dps.

In the end it's probably to early to say anything about the future of dpswarriors in wotlk..

I'm not in a speculative mood today, but one of the threads regarding Blizzcon (maybe the BB one ) referred to a dev comment directed toward DPS warriors. I can't find it in a cursory search, but the gist of it was that DPS warriors who spec full DPS would have very high DPS potential. I don't want to step on any toes, so I'll just resign myself to remembering that it made me optimistic about our collective future.

I'm guessing Death Knights will occupy the same niche warriors and enh shamans hold now: a 2-way hybrid with decent raid DPS and a lot of offensive utility

5% crit or 5% extra attacks and 4 weapon skill should affect fury dps output quite a bit imo. Full flurry and 3 points in imp zerk stance will affect arms warrior dps quite nicely as well of course, I just disagree that the arms tree has nothing to offer for fury dps.

The catch is, any 41+ Arms talents require you to waste a great deal of points on the 35-41 point talents AND lose out on any number of the 21-30 Fury talents, which aren't appealing, because 21-30 Fury is just amazing.

41+ points in Fury is fairly normal for a Fury Warrior, and while yeah, 27/44 would look great now, I don't have any doubts that the 41+ Fury talents will rock, Arms Warriors on the other hand? Yeah well...with Imp MS, and Endless Rage I can understand the lack of optimism.

While it would be similar to the rage nerf + Endless Rage, a neat idea for a later Fury talent could be something like Improved Flurry: "Increases your Flurried attack speed by an additional 1% as well as increasing the total number of Flurried attacks by 1" 3/3. Perma Flurry would actually become a reality. That's actually so good that it could be a 51 point talent. It would also let you lower your crit slightly in favor of other stats.

I actually enjoyed 0/31/30 quite a bit while I was still questing and doing non heroic 5 mans at 70. So I really expect to spend a good bit of time at level 80 0/41/30 or something similar.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I think unless they shift the talent trees around.. every dps spec is going to be some variant of 31/31/0... you can't really compete with another instant in my opinion.

For Example:

Arms DPS @ 80: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Fury DPS @ 80: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

It would be very nice if ALL the 41+pts talents are worth it. And at the same time introduce some more lower tier fury talents that mean you can have a full fury build. That would be nice I think. I also really like that idea of perma flurry

It's another instant?

I would think it strange if they wouldn't share a cooldown.

Then again thats only speculation on my side.

60 rage / 6sec

As far as the next expansion goes I'd like to see a high tier utility talent for fury, similar to Unleashed Rage & Ferocious Insipration.

Something like a 51 pt talent increasing casting speed by XX% on a crit for 10 seconds would be nice. Giving it a bit more group utility in raids.

Some cooldown mods will count SS/BT/MS on the same timer if you respec and pick a seperate one up, again these are mods, who knows how they tick.

I do think they're on the same timer as well, but unless we somehow get a bugged extra talent point on live again, who knows =o

If the 31's don't share a cooldown, there will simply be no alternative to a 31/31 build. Blizzard won't do that.

I guess it all depends on how powerful they plan on making the 45-50 and 51 point talents. An extra instant could pale in comparison to a large increase in AP, a permanent flurry, or some type of massive threat reduction. :o

90% sure that MS and BT are already on a shared CD. Someone who had been on a private server with unlimited talent points told me that was the case awhile back.

Obviously, if they're linked cooldowns, the specs I mentioned above won't really be worth a damn.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

any know any details on warrior talents in the enxt expansion or when we might see somthing?