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I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on the worth of the untalented Slam (lets say you have an arms/prot hybrid spec so you cant get Imp. Slam). Will using the autoattack, slam, instant rotation still result in higher DPS with a 1.5s cast Slam than simply spamming MS and WW?

 

Gruntle

Thanks for making the spreadsheet, it's nice! I'm a bit surprised that the intersection is the same regardless of whether the full damage part is included in the threat, I never had the time to go trough the full maths. Good work

 

Amorpheus

I'd say roughly equal, but there's no point in timing Slam when you can just use MS/WW every cooldown for the same result. (Edit: And adding a whole second to your swing timer over usual Slam will make WF Totem cry!)

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• frmorrison

There is a dps warrior in my guild with Wicked Axe of the Plains, Talon of Azshara, and Blade of Infamy.

I thought the best combo would be Azshara MH/Infamy OH, but he thinks having Axe MH/Talon OH is the best.

What are your opinions?

 

starlon

Plug it into the spreadsheet.

 

smor

I have looked at a lot of WWS reports and it seems I hit as hard as some of the warriors I have seen do 1000+ dps. However I am stuck around 700 dps. So my question is: Is it more dps efficient to have huge buff spikes (where you would have a haste pot, a trinket, and DW all up at the same time), or is it better to spread them out and keep yourself buffed more consistantly?

 

D4vE

Obviously you will benefit much more from a haste pot the more other buffs are active. Usually I spare timers like deathwish and recklessness to use with a haste pot.

 

Buttlern

thank you for reply

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zeratulgr

No you shouldnt change,since you are an orc you get 3% more hit cause you are using an axe.This is because of our racial 5 axe skill.So rising tide has 3% more hit compared to the mace.Stat wise they are equal and dps wise(around 100dps both).You just gain a little bit from WF and WW cause of its 2.8 speed and high end damage.3% hit tho is way better.

 

Graul

So each time anyone mentions weapon skill, the actual +hit you get vs a lvl 73 for +5 skill seems to just keep going up and up. "You get +1% for being an Orc", "You get +2% for being an Orc" now you apparently get +3% for being an Orc. At this rate, I'll end up getting +5% hit within the next few weeks, yet somehow my DPS will remain the same.

If you are counting the combined -doge and -parry, then yes, it's a factor on how many swings will actually land, but it's still not added +hit over the base.

 

Asur

Here's where the +3% hit comes from:
http://elitistjerks.com/469576-post500.html

 

zeratulgr

Latest information says its actually 3% hit Graul

 

Gruntle

If you read the link provided by Asur you will see that it is 3%, but only vs boss mobs (lvl 73) and only if you have no other sources of weapon skill (i.e. with 355 weapon skill that you have as an orc with axes, you will always have 3% smaller chance to miss). After 355 weapon skill, it only adds 0.1% hit per point.

 

Grymm

The purpose of stacking cooldowns works something like this:
Start with deathwish and haste pots. Deathwish buffs your damage per swing for X seconds while the haste pot buffs your swings speed for Y seconds. Using them separately, you get 20% extra damage for X seconds and something percent more white damage for Y seconds. When you use them at the same time, you get something percent more swings which also do 20% more damage. You have gotten off more swings under deathwish and have increased the return of deathwish. By stacking reckless, deathwish, heroism, and a haste pot all at the same time, you are getting a ridiculous number of swings that are all crits and all do 20% more damage. Separately, the number of swings affected by deathwish and reckless without haste benefits would be much lower. Simply, instead of having 50 hits get +20% damage, you can ramp that up to 75 or 100 hits.

 

smor

now that i think about it i agree with all who replied. it would be better to spike your buffs all at once so your dps is most effective. that way when you dps is least effective you can run around in boss fights and bandage, etc.

 

Plushy

I apologize in advance if I am asking a relatively naive question. As an oceanic raider with relatively high latency (usually around 500ms), I was wondering if performing the standard slam rotation would actually do less DPS than just MS+WW+HS(if rage permits). I'm using Quartz's swing timer (which unfortunately does not incorporate latency into it like it's cast bar ) and I find it difficult to accurately judge how long before the swing timer bar ends to start up my slam. As a result, I often compensate a little and end up starting the slam almost half a second after the swing has landed. This clearly hurts my DPS quite a bit as even with talented slam, I am delaying each white hit by at least 1s. I believe for my level of gear (which although is pretty crap), I should be putting out much more DPS than 600-ish on static fights. Any recommendations would be appreciated

 

Randor

Practice on Blasted Lands mobs. I played in Asia until last week and my latency was 250ish all of the time. You can overcome it but you need to be hyper alert.

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zeratulgr

With such high latency there are 2 solutions for a dps warrior.Either take a sword up and dont use slam,yes its a bit worse but at least sword spec makes up for it,use hamstring to get some more sword procs when your MS,WW are on Cooldown.

Or just spec dualweild which doesnt require such a good connection and perfect slam rotation .I even abandoned arms cause with my 250-300ms I wasnt satisfied with my slam rotations.

 

Myko

Any theorycraft done on whether "spiking" your buffs is better to do during execute spam or during normal BT/WW weaving?

Death Wish can obviously be used at least twice, threat permitting, but Recklessness can not.

Also, any point being strict about keeping Battle Shout and Rampage up during Execute? (Shout for rogues seems a given, Rampage seems a bit less vital.)

 

D4vE

Not much theory crafting needed here: In execute range you will have an instant attack every 1.5 secs (10 instants during recklessness), outside execute range you will have 5 instant attacks (2 WW, 3 BT) during recklessness uptime.

Pretty much the same is true for all other timers as well.

More AP during execute range will yield in more rage from white attacks, ergo higher executes. If keeping up rampage is worth the GCD would need some more intensive calculations. Since you will do more damage from white attacks as well I would guess keeping rampage up is worth it.

 

Muarf

Higher white dmg > mor rage for execute ?

 

Natural

Recklessness should always be used with death wish and a haste potion. Always.

 

Heaton

thundering skyfire or relentless earthstorm?

 

Kiranat

I'd say Relentless Earthstorm when it gets fixed (currently doesn't affect white crits) though I seem to recall seeing some numbers behind the 12crit Meta being better until you hit 37% crit.

If someone could find that it would be very much appreciated as I'm trying to make the same decision for my T6 helm.

 

dr_AllCOM3

The crit metagem is still the best, even when "nerfed".