Dare to dream.

This would be wonderful- a static ability that counters some of the aggro generating rage dumps we use. Something along the lines of vanish- an aggro reduction on cool down- would more than likely prove overpowered for the class. A static change would fit well.

Best change ever, maybe I'll be able to stop staring at my threat meter all the time now

Now if only they'd move BF to the fury tree so I wouldn't feel so damn guilty about dreaming of going fury again, sigh.

I'm still holding out for Blood Frenzy though. It adds so much raid utility. =/

Blood Frenzy in Fury would be a huge addition to Fury utility. Perhaps they could swap it for improved intercept (not at their current tiers though). The upcoming change to threat reduction shows they are listening to the community so perhaps they will give the blood frenazy suggestion some serious thought.

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Exactly.I am worried about this too.Will be one of the biggest fury nerfs ever making MS/BF way better,at least if you have 1 dps warrior.As it goes for the threat reduction well unless you have really the best of the best item choices except RoS phase 3 and gurtog you shouldnt have any big threat problems with a very good tank.Except if you have a group like ench.Shaman druid BM hunter rogue...
Being stucked with 3 rogues and 1 resto shaman.... I cant see big problems even at teron gorefiend.My best effort there was 1427 dps and still i had space for more.

hi guys

On our last BT clear i tried out 33/28 Swordspec-MS-DW-Bloodfrenzy-Deathwish-etc.
i actually made some good dps compared to what i thought i would do. its not as heavy as 17/44, but i think, without making any calculations, that the boost bloodfrenzy gives is making up for it.
anyone have some input to this? or have tried same or similar specs?

I don't think the 5% from sword/axe spec makes up for the AP lost to imp zerk stance and rampage. Not to mention BT will hit harder than 1h MS. You could always plug your stats into the dps warrior spreadsheet to see the difference.

True. My first thought was "Wow, threat reduction!" but then I realised I won't be getting it

They really ought to swap Blood Frenzy and Improved Intercept...or swap it with Enrage, unlinked from Flurry.

I downloaded the Warrior DPS Spreadsheet to compare -armour and post-2.2 haste with strength, mainly because I'm currently prot doing Hyjal and some BT - this gear starts to drop and with being able to spec fury for certain encounters (no need for more than 1 tank) I'm taking the whole fury thing more serious.
Now first of all, why does it say 0,00 at 10 hit rating?
Also, the note at this said "don't take this too serious". I have some question concerning how not serious I should take this and if I really shouldn't take it serious at all, are there any concrete numbers?

Especially concerning str vs. haste and str vs. -armour.

The stat weights are relative to the gear currently selected in the spreadsheet. Hit is reporting 0.00 because the default weapon equipped is a twohander and the gear provides 9%+ hit.

You should probably start with inputting your own gear, two onehanders and go from there.

I'm also slightly worried about the wording but I'd like to think that Blizzard wouldn't make that kind of move especially when you look at the other talent changes coming with 2.3, so I'm positive that the threat reduction will be in addition to.

Unfortunately cry as we might I doubt they'd move BF over to fury, it would remove all viability for arms in a pve role and Blizz keeps going on about how they want each talent tree to have viability. That being said this change certainly gives fury a big boost over arms who even after the WF change was still keeping pace in many cases. I'm curious to see if they add anything to boost arms dps or if this threat change will usher in the end of arms in pve.

Question: are there any numbers on how effectiv "unbridled wrath" is? It used to be 40% per swing, but right now I'm questioning its effectiveness. Since for raid purposes I have skilled 5/5 demoralizing shout, it seems those points could be spent more effectively in other areas.

I am, however, ragestarved some of the time.

I havent been able to find anyone that has tested it exactly, but UW seems to have been changed to a PPM rather than a % so that weapon speed wouldnt be a factor. I doubt that there is much difference between them with average speed weapons.

UW is about 15 PPM. With a 3.7 speed weapon, the proc chance is around 85-90%.

Unless you use CoR a lot, why not go 2/5 demo and 3/5 wrath?

We always use CoR if the Boss isn't prone to being very bursty (e.g. Morogrim, Azgalor). And 5/5 demo is better than 2/5 demo, for one.

Right now, I have chosen 3/5 demo, 5/5 UW and 0/2 imp. execute (that's where my spare points come from). I will of course, respec once I get the T6 execute bonus.

Hi, what do you think about Prot warriors in DPS stuff spamming Devastate + Heroic Strike ? They're doing quite good damages if their gear is updated with raid items. Some people raiding BT are saying (on the french WoW boards, sorry I won't translate the whole thread) that Fury warriors aren't worth a place in raid as they're doing less damages than rogues and prot warriors dps'ing allmost the same as furies (a difference of 100dps, or less, they said). To them, bringing an additional tank with DPS gear is better than having a fury.
As I don't raid in BT/Hyjal, I have no clue about the situation there but in SSC/TK I do really more damages than a Prot warrior in DPS stuff (even Grull or VR fights when we have more than 2 tanks, these fights giving a lot or rage, allowing spamming specials). What do you think about it ?

With the right gear and group a protection spec'ed warrior in fury gear is quite capable of 1000+ dps.

I've not had much chance to try it out and never tried it with a enhancement shaman but i did put out 800dps on kaz'rogal a month or so back while getting stunned to death and having my strength reduced by 75%.

It is however very high threat dps.