Korlong

Given that Weapon Mastery will be taking the place of Improved Intercept in the talent tree come 2.3, does anyone have any thoughts on its place in a Fury build?

I am not overly familiar with the mechanics of weapon skill, but my initial reaction is that it (the talent) would need a substantial buff to be worth taking, as previously the value of the talent was the disarm immunity.

Edit: And as no one else seems to have mentioned it in here yet:

Edit again: HOLY HELL! I thought people were kidding about the Deathwish change on the warrior forums! That's not cool!

Edit yet again: Another gem!

 

Brissa

Yes randomly targeted abilities that require a facing does that.
Its a actually a really big problem because those parries cause increased attack speed for the boss and if you are really unlucky they can cause unpreventable one-shots.

 

• LodeRunner

I don't even know how to react to that. Do you still have to cast Sweeping Strikes in Battle Stance?

 

Nite_Moogle

No, a further blue post said it will now require Berzerker Stance.

 

Mios

In this thread: WoW Forums -> Sweeping strikes change

Interesting, they're trying to make people spec endless rage in pvp I suppose. Although this seems like a big nerf to fury pve.

 

Kiranat

I'm not going to lie, these new patch notes have me pissed off.

I'm not worried about Death Wish, I raid as MS, but it still sucks.
I'm not worried about Weapon Mastery (disarm part), it'll be in my spec anyway.

What really gets me is the weapon skill changes. I don't remember having heard anything about this until these PTR notes went up, and it means that human and orc players straight up lose 3% to hit, which is HUGE.

Now maybe I've misread... There's nothing specifically saying the human racial is being changed, and the wording for it doesn't include racial abilities outside of the ones listed. I've got my fingers crossed, but if it ends up knocking it off that's just that much more gear I need to swap out for hit towards end-game.

 

Brissa

I do not understand this...
Why are they making arms even better for pvp while nerfing fury?
Granted the DW works on WW thing is a buff but WW damage is a fairly small portion of our DPS.

 

Emeraude

It's a BS change and I hope to god it's reverted before 2.3 goes live, being able to sweeping strikes trash mobs is NOT the same as having Death Wish for single target DPS on boss fights.

 

Darkrenown

I'm not sure if the racials ARE being changed. Is skill still going to be around some some items or will it all be expertise? But -dodge(and parry for tanks) could be good, since untill now we've had to way to avoid 5% dodges while we can always lower miss with +5.

Luckily I raid as either 33/28 or prot, so the talent swaps don't really affect me. The loss of DW seems likes a major nerf to dual wield fury though, and makes 2h fury more tempting.

 

Nite_Moogle

The racials are indeed being changed to Expertise as per a followup post from Hortus.

 

Rishina

That is very strange. If they had changed enrage and sweeping strikes I could understand that, but deathwish? It just doesn't make sense.

First they give us a nice boost, 10% less threat, and the imp intercept to weapon expertise is nice. But why on earth give a primary fury talent to the arms tree?

I hope theres been some sort of mistake and it was actually supposed to be enrage that was swapped. That would have made alot more sense.

Currently, its just ridiculous to be frank.

 

Apfelkäse

damn i hoped we would have gotten improved disciplines in fury as well, and like putting blood craze in arms or something =)

 

Amorpheus

Some of that looks like they threw Arms and Fury into a blender and turned it on just for a second. WTF? What they should do is free talents of requirements like enrage>flurry and fix Deep Wounds to work like the mages' Ignite.

I'm pretty sure they were looking at a way to prevent Fury from being OP with threat reduction. That tree winds up nerfed no matter how you look at it. Either lose Rampage or Death Wish... unless they buff Rampage 21/40 looks like a decent alternative. Probably not entirely as efficient but it depends on what you make of your DW cooldown. Also the Whirlwind and Sweeping Strikes changes only promote slow offhands further, to which extent we'll have to see.

Playing around with a talent calculator for a bit it changes almost nothing to how I'd spec Arms DPS. With the talent point from DW I could get Sweeping Strikes or max out Battle Shout, probably prefer the latter since the new swing-only SS looks weak for 2h and it's more of a trash gimmick anyway. So losing SS is not that tragic, but it has been very defining - and changing the "character" of the trees like that leaves a very sour taste... like intercept to me has always been more Fury than Arms, when you think about context. And a talent with Weapon Expertise belongs to the Arms tree...

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Kolossus

Has anyone found the AP needed to outscale Execute rank10 @ 20%?

 

• Darkmyst

I just don't get the Death Wish change. You can already make a decent argument that 33/28/0 is superior to 17/44/0 for PvE. I mean is this a change that basically kills Fury?

 

starlon

By how much of a percentage does deathwish increase DPS over let's say a 10 minute fight? I'm just curious how much I'm losing here.

 

• Darkmyst

You are losing 2 minutes of +20% base damage increase. It's definitely not trivial.

 

Meiia

20% less damage during the warriors time to shine at execute range. Good game

 

Voxx

I'm curious, since I haven't seen it posted yet... but will Rampage actually be better than taking Deathwish in it's new location? My math skills aren't at the point where I could begin to think about how to approach that problem.

 

Draugrim

Sorting through the raging anger of the WoW Warrior board I noticed an interesting discrepancy. Hortus (Blue) post of the 2.3 patch notes curiously has the Sweeping Strikes/Death Wish change absent and has been edited. Perhaps it's already been recanted?

 

Korlong

We can only hope.

There are a lot of people on the WoW forums claiming that the Deathwish change isn't a big deal, and that the change to Whirlwind makes up for it.

What these people don't seem to realize is that Deathwish applies huge scaling, you pop Deathwish, Bloodthirst Brooch, a Haste Potion, and Recklessness, and you're looking at much more than a 20% dps increase, as it scales all of your other buffs by 20% as well.

In addition, Deathwish is an amazing ability in any PvE fight where you do not spend all of your time on the boss, as your "out" time gives it time to cool down (whereas your upgraded whirlwind is wasted).

Finally, the other problem with the Whirlwind change is that in order to maximize its effectiveness, you need a really slow offhand - of which there are essentially none in PvE. There is basically the [Talon of Azshara], [Netherbane] (urk) and the Arena epics.

 

Graul

 

Korlong

Forgot that one, but it's worse than the Talon in my opinion.

Then again, it will probably be buffed soon once blizzard realizes that everyone is vendoring their Black Temple epics for season three arena weapons.

At any rate, it is safe to say there is a lack of slow offhands with desirable stat allocations (like [Tracker's Blade]).

 

Graul

Depends on your race. The Talon may be better for Humans, but the axe is better for Orcs. Until the racial "normalization" happens anyway.

 

Emeraude

Some of the Itemization from the new Heroic Badges

Amani Mask of Death
Helm
+46 Str
+51 Sta
Red/Yellow/Blue sockets
+6 Stamina Socket Bonus
+33 Hit Rating

Chain of Unleashed Rage
Belt
+34 Str
+37 Sta
Red/Blue sockets
+3 Hit Rating Socket Bonus
Equip: +14 Hit
Equip: -154 Armor

Pauldrons of Gruesome Fate
Shoulders
+42 Str
+33 Sta
Equip: +23 Hit
Equip: -154 Armor

Furious Deathgrips
Gloves
+34 Str
+37 Sta
Red/Yellow Sockets
+3 Str Socket Bonus
Equip: +25 Hit Rating

Eternium Rage-Shackles
Bracers
+32 Str
+32 Sta
Equip: -150 Armor

Bloodthirster's Wargreaves
Legs
+46 Str
+43 Sta
Red/Yellow/Blue Sockets
(Socket Bonus unknown?)
Equip: +38 Hit Rating