Not me. I rerolled on Fenris back in November, and had another Warrior before that with a different name.

I haven't been Prot for awhile now, but the last time I clocked my threat I was doing like 900 TPS on the Black Stalker in non-Heroic Underbog in full tanking gear, and that was without Windfury. Granted, that was a fairly low-armor situation on a lower level mob, but I can't imagine that it's so much worse in high rage situations against level 73 targets. I've never tanked a raid boss, but all this talk about Prot warriors not being able to put out 500 TPS makes me want to.

EDIT: Numerically, a warrior with a 1.6 speed 85 DPS weapon, with 1000 attack power, 400 total shield block value, 10% crit, no Windfury, 30% monster mitigation, a 15% chance to not hit (via parry/dodge/miss), and a near optimal threat rotation (i.e. two devastates -> revenge -> Shield Slam) and 2 Heroic Strikes every 6 seconds (not that unreasonable) is 934 TPS. That does not take into account glancing blows, but otherwise it's fairly accurate. That's 1670 DPS worth of threat (assuming a DPS warrior with salvation) under basically unbuffed conditions.

900 tps is difficult ot sustain on a raid boss especially if you are clapping. I'de say safer number is somewhere just shy of 800 depending on the boss ie: attack speed debuffs armor and the like. This of course scales with gear rather better than it used to so we aren't having quite the problem with threat we were late in pre-bc.

Just wanted to emphasize the point of clapping and demoing for yourself. TClap and Demo Shout really put a kink in your threat cycle due to their conflict with revenge/SS/SB. Also, other items of value such as Scarab of Displacement really hinder your threat but greatly benefit your survivability.

If you can, it's much better to have an offtank or dps war applying demo/tclap for you as it removes a bit of stress from your MT while keeping his threat cycle untouched.

My lord 1k is a ton of DPS for Mag. Graul, maybe you can help me out here. On tonight's Mag kill, I finished with 760 DPS with the same buffs as you had there, and I have better stats. Disregard my current arena spec, I run 17/44 for raids. Unbuffed(battle stance) I sit at 1658 ap, 26.71% crit, and 12.81% to hit. I was able to use WW and BT every CD, and added in a ton of HS and Hamstrings for procs. We also stopped DPS for about 20 seconds to wait for the enrage, which lost me around 40-60 DPS, but I'd still fall well short of 1k. The only thing I can think of is my crap MH (Fool's Bane), coupled with the weapon skill of Orcs. I really don't know what I'm missing here, have any idea man?

With some good epics the DPS gets very good (again). I have similar stuff like Graul and end up somewhere between the Rogues mostly too.

MT on raid encounters with 400-500 TPS??

Man that is tooooooooo low.

Being raid leader, I always get the best group set up The Mag kill I had a feral druid and a shaman who used Heroism on the adds so we could burn then down faster. Yarrik, without threat you think you can pull 1k DPS? If so, I'm surely missing something seeing as our stats are close.

I know that I can put out _VERY_ good DPS when I'm not threatcapped, sadly, most of the time I am. Have not really got to test it, neither have I found a good benchmarking fight for it.

::Edit:: Closest I can come is Karathress, Since I'm only threatcapped on the first two of the 'adds', pulled off a 1350 dps on it. Got like 1500~dps on Solarian, but she has very low armor.

I went and did some threat tests on Morgroron, a melee-oriented elite demon in Legion Hold. I was able to put out 675 threat per second over the duration of the fight, and he hit me for about 375 per swing in tanking gear. So yeah, a Protection warrior putting out 500 threat per second on a raid boss seems to be totally ridiculous.

You have to consider how much more a MT's attacks get dodged / parried (not to mention higher miss chance) because they're attacking mobs 4-5 levels higher than "Morgroron". Yes, 500 TPS is still unacceptable in my eyes, but to improve on that they need to mix in some +hit and maybe some block value. If they're starved for rage and not in danger of dying, they should switch in some more threat-oriented gear.

No, to improve on that they would need to not suck balls. There aren't substantial differences in dodge/parry between a 69 mob and a 73 mob, although there will be a slight penalty for glancing blows in white damage (which is counteracted somewhat by Heroic Strike). If someone is putting out 500 TPS on a raid boss in a fairly static fight, then they're probably just spamming HS and SB while watching television. They're doing something wrong, and upping their block value isn't going to solve the problem.

The 500 TPS was in reference to the Tidewalker fight and the fact that tidal wave increases your swing time by 400%. So far less threat from white damage and heroic strike.

Any tank in Gruul+ scenario will be 800 or more TPS.

BTW, this is more then slightly off-topic.

Back on topic....I'm finding problems as a warrior where i actually get the opportunity to actually DPS now. KZ have to off-tank half the bosses and a large portion of the trash, have to tank one of the council for maulgar (priest, so i wear DPS gear), Gruul i can DPS but i have AWEFUL luck on him and constantly die (2 deaths last night on him at 66 and 88%, killed him on second try). For mag, i have to tank the 4th channeler, so i wear mostly tanking gear...tank trash in SSC. Will probably have to off-tank hydross adds.....WTB another prot warrior.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=1

Has some interesting points, believe it or now. I especially like the comments from Schmity (sp?) of D&T.

As a shaman I could not go to a raid with a MT that can only generate 550tps.

As an officer I would gkick him for being shit.

I'm not sure how far you guys have progressed, but anything with an enrage timer must be near impossible with that sort of tps.

Cleared everything up to Kaelthas. His TPS is not constantly 500 though. But we have alot of threat issues when he's tanking. I'll try to dig up a link to his armory profile.

::Edit:: Link to armory. http://armory.wow-europe.com/#charac...enjuros&n=Undu
Notice that that is 30% dodge, 17% parry and 7% extra chance not to get hit. I think we've wiped quite a few times because he went out of rage and wasnt able to keep shield block up.

::Edit2:: Note that he's not even wearing his Moroes trinket with dodge on.

First off, I agree with you, particularly if the tank is having threat issues. However, if he were to get about 8 percent more block, dodge, parry, and miss combined, he would be uncrushable without shield block, which could give him more threat on the basis of having one extra GCD to spare. So perhaps it would be good, but its still hard to argue that the amount of stamina he's losing isn't a significant downside.

I was under the impression that Block% does not stack with Parry% and Dodge% when trying to get uncrushable.

Shield Block does not trigger a GCD.

I'm a firm believer of the 1 roll system in regards to crushings, blocks, dodge, etc. Its how pally tanks are able to be uncrushable. If this were not the case they would not be.

Yeah I definitely messed that up with the GCD. However not having to focus on the shield block every 5 seconds certainly would be nice. (Pally tanks have to deal with Holy Shield being on the GCD as well as it being 10 seconds in length with a 10 second CD... it makes for a real annoyance if there is lag.)

I'm still trying to adjust to the changes in tanking style (I had a feral druid pre xpac, changed to a prot pally when I rerolled, but finally decided I'd just go ahead and be a prot warrior as it was inevitable. Even so I rarely have less that at least 650 TPS when tanking any boss, and I'm still not amazingly geared yet, so definitely need your tank to step up, in my opinion.

I was a believer of that aswell, before I tanked some mobs with fury spec, having 91% block with Shield Block on, 10% parry and 15% dodge, and I got crushed.

I've been crushed with shield block up before and I still believe in the one roll system. You probably were either lagging, were in a mobile fight and the server has interpreted the boss as behind you even though it wasn't on your client, or it was pre-patch and you chugged a potion or healthstone or some other way placed your shield on your back.

I guess what you say might be true, I'm not 100% sure about all tanking mechanics, since I've been a DPS-warrior since I rerolled warrior 'bout a year ago.