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11/20/07, 11:56 AM
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#2226
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Von Kaiser
Orc Warrior
Argent Dawn (EU)
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Originally Posted by Tkon
Do you have windfury? You should be able to keep this rotation up at the least.
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That's the crux of the matter. Without windfury I find its quite hard to keep a consistent attack cycle going, especially if you're also the one keeping TC/DS etc up.
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11/20/07, 12:12 PM
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#2227
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Bald Bull
Orc Warrior
Burning Blade
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Originally Posted by Typhon
That's the crux of the matter. Without windfury I find its quite hard to keep a consistent attack cycle going, especially if you're also the one keeping TC/DS etc up.
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Makes you wonder if they shouldn't just let Thunderclap be usable in all stances. There's no good reason why it should be available in Battle but not Berserker, and it's a pretty important debuff.
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11/20/07, 2:48 PM
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#2228
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Von Kaiser
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I'm curious as to which chest armor a lot of the endgame warriors are using. Heartshatter Breastplate is obviously very good, but given the choice between that and Tier 6 or Armorsmithing Tier 3, which would you ideally prefer? No doubt the 3 sockets on the T6 and the Bulwark are valuable, but seeing as the T6 sockets are yellow/blue/blue, I question its usefulness.
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11/20/07, 3:29 PM
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#2229
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Terrible Terry Tate, Forum Linebacker.
Elyree
Troll Warrior
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by hawkk
I'm curious as to which chest armor a lot of the endgame warriors are using. Heartshatter Breastplate is obviously very good, but given the choice between that and Tier 6 or Armorsmithing Tier 3, which would you ideally prefer? No doubt the 3 sockets on the T6 and the Bulwark are valuable, but seeing as the T6 sockets are yellow/blue/blue, I question its usefulness.
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Socket colors only matter for the socket bonus and most of those bonus aren't worth chasing. Ignore the socket colors and judge the item as if you stuffed 3 red gems into it.
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Originally Posted by XI-
Do you have a point or are you just crying now?
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11/20/07, 5:47 PM
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#2230
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Von Kaiser
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I'm having a dilemma of sorts. My current set of gear has decent AP and crit but terrible hit. I don't miss many BT or WW cooldowns but maybe I'm missing more than I realize. My DPS is okay (considering I never get an optimal group) but I'm thinking my hit rating is hurting me. I have some pieces I can switch out that put me at 1990 AP, 190 hit and 31.5% crit with about 1k less health but the big contributor is the Fel Leather Boots and it's hard for me to use them over the Warboots of Obliteration. Would you choose the stats from my current gear, the stats I listed or a mix of the two? Thanks for the help.
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11/20/07, 6:25 PM
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#2231
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Don Flamenco
Night Elf Warrior
Kilrogg
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You could do a few things. Maybe get the heroic badge neck. Bracers of Eradication are very good and maybe a cloak with +hit.
You shouldn't need to add too much with your gear.
OH, and the new heroic badge gear also has +hit on them.
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11/21/07, 3:29 AM
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#2232
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Glass Joe
Orc Warrior
Der Rat von Dalaran (EU)
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I don't know if its answered yet, but I've got a question.
The old Orc Racial weapon skill was counted seperate for each Hand.
You could see this in your Char screen.
How ist it with the new racial? The Char screen doesn't show seperated values.
And also the Humans Racial with Sword and Mace is possibly bugged whith this 10 expertise instead of 5, I wonder if it counts for both hands.
Last edited by kyote : 11/21/07 at 3:52 AM.
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11/21/07, 4:35 AM
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#2233
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Don Flamenco
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For all the talk of racials recently, especially humans with sword and mace, has anyone confirmed that its not just a display issue? The character screen has shown things incorrectly before, only taking certain things into account but not others.
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"Information is ammunition."
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11/21/07, 8:43 AM
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#2234
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King Hippo
Tauren Warrior
Earthen Ring (EU)
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Well, that's not really easy to test. I guess the simplest way would be to make tests on dodge in the similar way as the tests on misses and weapon skill were done before 2.3. The problem is that we don't know the exact figure for base dodge (most people claim it's 5.6, but I haven't seen any really good tests of this). If we can assume a 5.6% base dodge, then you need to get enough Expertise minus the expertise from the racial (10 or 5) to cap this. Look at the logs and see if you have any dodges => constraints on the racial.
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11/21/07, 2:08 PM
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#2235
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Piston Honda
Human Warrior
Arthas (EU)
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I have no real facts, I'm just speaking from my experience in the last raids and some data in WWS.
When dual-wielding Mace + Sword instead of Mace + Mace, I got less dodges in WWS. Last night at Solarian I even had not 1 single Dodge at the mobs spawning from Solarian. This makes sense, when 10 Expertise + Weapon Mastery gives -4,5% Dodge, the trash mobs, Solarian spawns, couldn't dodge (I even made quite much use of whirlwind/cleave/sweeping strikes, so I had many attacks on the mobs), due to 5% basechance to dodge, -4,5% would be 0,50% dodge. Just some thoughts, no facts.
Wow Web Stats
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11/21/07, 3:01 PM
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#2236
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Von Kaiser
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I'm going to agree with Kaan. Using a sword/mace combo I had the following results in Hyjal/BT:
Melee attacks landed: 4575
Dodged attacks: 110
Parried attacks: 51
I've seen similar results since the patch and I'd feel pretty confidant saying 10 expertise is applied globally.
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11/21/07, 3:15 PM
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#2237
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Von Kaiser
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Well based on your numbers:
Originally Posted by hawkk
Melee attacks landed: 4575
Dodged attacks: 110
Parried attacks: 51
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that's 2.3%.
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11/21/07, 3:29 PM
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#2238
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Von Kaiser
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WoW Web Stats
Here's the WWS link. I think I misread the number of attacks. WWS calculated dodges at 1%, but yeah, what I posted is obviously not 1%.
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11/21/07, 4:49 PM
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#2239
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Von Kaiser
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I'll get a WWS for confirmation asap (hopefully tonight), but from glancing over Recount, with 10 expertise from racials, 5 from a [Shapeshifter's Signet], and -2% dodge from Weapon Mastery, I *only* saw dodges on fights with lvl 73 mobs, with a full VR fight getting 6 dodges and a full Solarian getting 1. This is in agreement with an assumed -5.75% to dodge.
Last edited by Kolmar : 11/21/07 at 4:53 PM.
Reason: added sum of -dodge, item link
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11/21/07, 6:03 PM
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#2240
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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According to the 2.3.2 Patch Notes, Defiance's Weapon Expertise bonus(+6) now applies to all stances.
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11/21/07, 8:44 PM
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#2241
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Glass Joe
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So with the expertise from Defiance confirmed to be active in all stances, would it be viable to pick this up rather than go for the usual Impale?
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11/21/07, 9:20 PM
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#2242
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Banned
Human Paladin
Les Sentinelles (EU)
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Originally Posted by Melkoran
So with the expertise from Defiance confirmed to be active in all stances, would it be viable to pick this up rather than go for the usual Impale?
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I don't think so. It doesn't really matter mate, unless they put it in the first tier we will always lose valuable points.
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11/22/07, 12:38 AM
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#2243
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Glass Joe
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Aye, didn't think is was worth losing the 20% critical bonus, Thought this does bring up another question of mine which I've had a dilemma with...
...In my current Fury spec, I have to choose between Improved Execute or the 2% reduced dodge where improved intercept used to be. I'm leaning towards the execute, but I'm not sure if the overall DPS upgrade from the dodge would outweigh the last 20% from the greater execute damage.
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11/22/07, 2:12 AM
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#2244
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Melkoran
Aye, didn't think is was worth losing the 20% critical bonus, Thought this does bring up another question of mine which I've had a dilemma with...
...In my current Fury spec, I have to choose between Improved Execute or the 2% reduced dodge where improved intercept used to be. I'm leaning towards the execute, but I'm not sure if the overall DPS upgrade from the dodge would outweigh the last 20% from the greater execute damage.
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Reduced dodge is better.
Your options are Imp Execute or Precision for the 2 points.
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11/22/07, 3:51 AM
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#2245
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Glass Joe
Orc Warrior
Der Rat von Dalaran (EU)
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Originally Posted by hawkk
WoW Web Stats
Here's the WWS link. I think I misread the number of attacks. WWS calculated dodges at 1%, but yeah, what I posted is obviously not 1%.
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That would say, I could try the Fistweapon "Furor" instead of my fast S2 OH Axe?
As Tauren (the Spreadsheet says) it would boost my Damage, but not as Orc, if the racial doesn#t count for it.
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11/22/07, 7:11 AM
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#2246
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Glass Joe
Troll Warrior
Cho'gall (EU)
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Originally Posted by Melkoran
So with the expertise from Defiance confirmed to be active in all stances, would it be viable to pick this up rather than go for the usual Impale?
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I had the same idea.
According to the spreadsheet with my current gear,
2/2 Impale + 3.6% dodge on targets gives me 1095dps (current 17/44/0)
0/2 Impale + 2.1% dodge (ie 6 expertise) gives me 1119dps ( 5/41/15)
As I don't know how to change expertise in the spreadsheet, I just replaced the numbers in "buffed dps" tab. I'm not sure if it doesn't erase formulas or so
Last edited by Ondskapt : 11/22/07 at 7:23 AM.
Reason: add templates
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11/22/07, 8:43 AM
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#2247
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Glass Joe
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Armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory
Got a good deal of armor pen gear over the week. Went from 0 armor pen to around 450. Other changes were that I decided to use a fast offhand [Claw of the Phoenix] rather than the 2.6 speed [Netherbane]. Also, I had a rogue in my group who popped drums of battle.
I find the results interesting. First of all, I had a lower crit rate than before which I had anticipated would lead to average results but it really didn't seem to matter. Also, it seems that with 1.5 speed offhand I did 7% of my overall damage from whirlwind whereas with a slow offhand it was just 9%. I'm undecided about which season 3 offhand to buy, slow or fast. Any thoughts?
Last week's WWS:
1520 DPS sustained
Gerbell - WWS
This week's WWS:
1732 DPS sustained
Gerbell - WWS
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11/22/07, 8:58 AM
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#2248
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King Hippo
Tauren Warrior
Earthen Ring (EU)
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Originally Posted by Ondskapt
I had the same idea.
According to the spreadsheet with my current gear,
2/2 Impale + 3.6% dodge on targets gives me 1095dps (current 17/44/0)
0/2 Impale + 2.1% dodge (ie 6 expertise) gives me 1119dps ( 5/41/15)
As I don't know how to change expertise in the spreadsheet, I just replaced the numbers in "buffed dps" tab. I'm not sure if it doesn't erase formulas or so
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Hmm, I don't get that. I get a slight dps loss when not having Impale and adding 6 expertise. About 1% dps loss (10 dps in gear giving me about 1000 dps). Also, Deep wounds is not modeled in the spreadsheet, it will add some damage. There must be somethiong wrong with how you set things up, you cannot gain 25 dps by getting rid of 3 talent points in fury and Impale.
It may be good enough to consider though, a very nice build for 5-man tanking as well as added survivability in both PvE and PvP. Having TM should be quite nice as well for PvP. I would go 3/44/14 though.
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11/22/07, 9:56 AM
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#2249
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Piston Honda
Human Warrior
Alleria (EU)
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I just specced 3/44/14 and will try this tonight. However, the 6 expertise only become active when I switch to defensive stance - 10 in berserk --> 16 in defensive. (This -might- be a display issue - I will test this tonight, currently, I'm sitting at -5.75% dodge - so there shouldn't be any more dodges).
I know I will have roughly 20-30 dps less than before, but I do gain last stand, 1000 armor and tactical mastery. Also I bought imp. Bloodrage, which is not as good as anger management though.
I defintitely like the added survivability from last stand. Think of the following encounters:
Winterchill
Azgalor
Archimonde
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Naj'entus
RoS (Phase III)
Shahraz (a free 3000 health pot for FA)
Council (those unlucky blizzard + venom + X moments)
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11/22/07, 10:03 AM
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#2250
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Don Flamenco
Night Elf Warrior
Stormrage
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Originally Posted by Bronwyn
I just specced 3/44/14 and will try this tonight. However, the 6 expertise only become active when I switch to defensive stance - 10 in berserk --> 16 in defensive. (This -might- be a display issue - I will test this tonight, currently, I'm sitting at -5.75% dodge - so there shouldn't be any more dodges).
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Right now on live the Expertise from Defiance is not working in stances other than Defensive.
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