Hmm, I don't get that. I get a slight dps loss when not having Impale and adding 6 expertise. About 1% dps loss (10 dps in gear giving me about 1000 dps). Also, Deep wounds is not modeled in the spreadsheet, it will add some damage. There must be somethiong wrong with how you set things up, you cannot gain 25 dps by getting rid of 3 talent points in fury and Impale.
My mistake, I have indeed a loss of 39dps (4.4%) by loosing Impale to Defiance.
Anyway it becomes really interesting to get Shield Block/Last stand/Defiance to be a bit more versatile when the time to tank comes. I'll try this when it will become live
It will be a nice bonus for Prot Warrior DPS, but it would be OP if it were the best option for a fury build.
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MS DPS is alive and well. I recently hit 1540 DPS on Teron Gorefiend. I was wondering if anyone has links to an MS warrior doing more damage on the Gorefiend fight. I would like to study it, the rotations etc. Thanks for any help guys.
As a sort of update from a post I made a few pages back - looks like some of the other Gorefiend nights were flukes. Recap showed me doing ~1600 DPS last night on him :O
Sadly no WWS, only screenshots of damage meters, but it was the usual Slam rotation through the whole thing breaking once or twice for rage issues (i.e. only MS/WW, no slam).
Well I currently run a 35/5/21 spec for arenas and off tanking, so the tanking options really isn't a factor unless taking into consideration certain fights as someone said before.
I am, however, finding that my impale will outweigh my expertise.
Yeah my 17/44 build's damage was back to normal if not better this week...oddness.
All I've seen is an improvement overall in both the "overall" raid damage as well as on boss fights. You can chalk it up to being more comfortable with relatively newer encounters, but that's probably only a minor part of it. I've also gained two minor upgrades, but again, minor. I also did not believe that Imp Execute was better than two points into Precison, so I never took it and maybe my DPS would be higher with it, but without it's still higher than pre 2.3.
I really hate to be one of these guys but could someone use the spreadsheet to see what gives more dps; Red Belt of Battle or Belt of One-Hundred Deaths? Thanks in advance.
I think you know that this isnt the place for this, but I think it is worth stating that the spreadsheet is not for pure item comparisons, x vs y. While it can serve that purpose if you input all your own gear, then just switch those two items about, the great thing about the spreadsheet is that it calculates the effect stats have beyond the obvious ones.
For example, what is 1% crit worth?
1% more damage? What about flurry uptime? If your crit is 25%, versus someone with 40%, wont their be a difference between the effect it has on flurry uptime? What about rage generation? Does allow you to use a different cycle?
And the list goes on. All I am trying to say is that the spreadsheet when used in the context of your current gear. It is a brilliant tool, and its pretty easy to use, so I'd just go over and give it a try for yourself.
I'm not sure how dr_AllCOM3, Gruntle and others that have been working on the spreadsheet as well as the upcoming interactive online version would feel about me posting this, but MaxDPS.com: A World of Warcraft Formula Site - Warrior DPS Gear Rankings is a pretty neat site and seems to be moderately accurate. It's something that people that either cannot seem to get the spreadsheet to function correctly, or are just too lazy to input everything can use for an answer to the "is X better than Y for me?" questions.
Yes what the above poster said is pretty accurate. I plugged it the belt of one-hundred deaths to my dps spreadsheet to compare the dps vs red belt of battle, red belt of battle is about 15 dps better than the one-hundred on my gear but I think it is safe to say red belt > one-hundred.
I understand Agwho and I do appreciate the time that went into that spreadsheet, I just can't bring myself to get used to it and put all the information in. The majority of the time I know which item is better etc but unlike you guys I just don't know why it is.
I also put in my stats on the website Graul posted and the Belt of One-Hundred Deaths came out above the belt of battle, all be it by 1.25 dps. Hit just doesnt seem as valuable compared to the new expertise.
Testet 3/44/14 yesterday and was surprised. Even though I lose DPS, it wasn't as bad as expected at all. (Roughly 30-40 dps lost on average). I'll give you some webstats for RoS, Trash and Shahraz.
However, Last Stand was just amazing and saved me several times - the final 20 Seconds of RoS I had 16k life ... a bad Fatal Attraction is not bad at all when you can instantly pop an additional 4k Health ...
Better still - coming patch you will gain another 6 Expertise this way. Right now I am thinking about switching the other 3 points from HS to some nice things in Fury - making it a 0/47/14 build.
MS DPS is alive and well. I recently hit 1540 DPS on Teron Gorefiend. I was wondering if anyone has links to an MS warrior doing more damage on the Gorefiend fight. I would like to study it, the rotations etc. Thanks for any help guys.
Pre 2.3, worse gear then I have now, using a 33.28 spec.
I also only have time to use one Deathwish, as opposed to your two.
Same goes for Bloodlusts, where I get one, you get two.
On the 1642 dps kill I used 2 haste potions.
I swap to dual weilding while executing.
Pre 2.3, worse gear then I have now, using a 33.28 spec.
I also only have time to use one Deathwish, as opposed to your two.
Same goes for Bloodlusts, where I get one, you get two.
On the 1642 dps kill I used 2 haste potions.
I swap to dual weilding while executing.
thanks alot. im gonna try to ninja a feral druid for my group and see what that does to my dps. thats something big to shoot for, good stuff
I'm not sure how dr_AllCOM3, Gruntle and others that have been working on the spreadsheet as well as the upcoming interactive online version would feel about me posting this, but MaxDPS.com: A World of Warcraft Formula Site - Warrior DPS Gear Rankings is a pretty neat site and seems to be moderately accurate. It's something that people that either cannot seem to get the spreadsheet to function correctly, or are just too lazy to input everything can use for an answer to the "is X better than Y for me?" questions.
Seems like a pretty nice tool. Having access to all gear in the simple way is certainly nice. But I'm a bit doubtful that the current theorycrafting implemented in that tool is correct.
- Expertise is modeled, but Weapon mastery is not included as an important talent?
- No execute damage modeling?
- Is HS damage included at all? I suspect that the tool does all calculations based on cooldowns and not on the actual rage income.
- Flurry modeled correctly?
Those are ofc just details, but I see at least 2 main problems with a web applet of this kind (something that also Tornhoofs WoWOptimizer suffers from imo).
1. You cannot see the theorycrafting/formulae even if you want to. In a spreadsheet it's easy to bugsearch and change things that you think are wrong.
2. One author, if that person quits wow (or gives up on the tool), project dies. A spreadsheet is far easier to maintain. Others can pick up easily and continue the work.
I don't know, maybe it would be helpful if one of the spreadsheet addicts (yeah I'm one of them...) posted a list of some different stat/talent setups with output dps and SEP values? People that are too lazy to run the spreadsheet could then use that list as a reference for gear choices. The spreadsheet is a tad messy to use (it's the circular references that messes things up most of the time), but using the supplied macros normally fixes things. If you're using OpenOffice things could be a bit more troubling, you could check my posts in the spreadsheet thread for some advice (or just pm me).
Pre 2.3, worse gear then I have now, using a 33.28 spec.
I also only have time to use one Deathwish, as opposed to your two.
Same goes for Bloodlusts, where I get one, you get two.
On the 1642 dps kill I used 2 haste potions.
I swap to dual weilding while executing.
Do you always swap to dual wield and execute, or only when you get heroism or something similar? I've heard about Arms warriors switching to DW and executing a bit before, but I've never tried myself. If it is an increase in DPS and the difference is spamming 1 button vs maintaining a rotation, I don't see why not to do it.
Do you always swap to dual wield and execute, or only when you get heroism or something similar? I've heard about Arms warriors switching to DW and executing a bit before, but I've never tried myself. If it is an increase in DPS and the difference is spamming 1 button vs maintaining a rotation, I don't see why not to do it.
I do this myself and the reason is simple .... incoming rage. I can hit execute every global cooldown. If I have my 2-hander equipped, then I only autoattack every 3 seconds or so, which means only one execute every 3 seconds, which means I would be better off sticking to slam rotation.
Switching to dual wielding a pair of fast weapons for execure guarantees a constant flow of rage from fast white attacks. I actually use brutalizer (have Soul Cleaver for 2-hander, so am poleaxe spec) and Swiftsteel Bludgeon and the dps increase is quite noticable.
MS DPS is alive and well. I recently hit 1540 DPS on Teron Gorefiend. I was wondering if anyone has links to an MS warrior doing more damage on the Gorefiend fight. I would like to study it, the rotations etc. Thanks for any help guys.
I'm curious if MS DPS is feasible without windfury, as I don't have access to a shaman in my guild. I've been having trouble with my guild to accept an MS DPS Warrior in raids as a fury Warrior can pump out much more damage.
My question would be, since there is no windfury available to me, should I just submit to my guild's wishes and go fury?
My problem could also be in my slam rotation. Currently I do a Slam near the end of a normal attack (timed with Quartz) and then follow up with an instant attack right after. Is there a better rotation I could be using? I checked the DPS spreadsheet by Dr_Allcom and it shows Slam x4, MS>WW. What does this mean exactly? I've interpreted it as spamming Slam 4 times back-to-back and following up with a MS. But that achieved poor DPS results.
What I am interested in seeing is how a 2/46/13 build would work, defiance/impexecute vs impale.
In support, our fury war for our 25-mans is also our 'OT' to a feral for ZA. He chose 15 points (or so) in prot with the rest in fury for this role. He is finding (as is our dps) that his TPS come 2.3 is plenty adequate while he is still able to dps anywhere an OT isn't needed (eagle boss). We run melee heavy a lot of the time so it works wonders for our Enh shaman and Combat rogue.
It seems to be really hard to catch a fury warrior on the armory with his PvE gear equipped and spec'd for raiding after looking at their WWS, so I figured I'd kill 2 birds and ask on here...
My warrior used to consistantly be top DPS when we started in SSC and now I find myself usually 5th-9th. With my gear, am I about on par? If not, is there something I'm doing wrong that anyone can see? Its really bugging me quite a bit.
Here is the WWS for part of our SSC on the 20th Wow Web Stats
Note, I got tier 5 legs and tsunami later on this run, I was previously using Midnight leggings w/ 40ap kit with 3x 8-crit gems and Solarian battleshout trinket.
Also, I have a tendancy to ask questions in the wrong thread so if there is another thread I should post this in let me know and I'll move it.
My question would be, since there is no windfury available to me, should I just submit to my guild's wishes and go fury?
My problem could also be in my slam rotation. Currently I do a Slam near the end of a normal attack (timed with Quartz) and then follow up with an instant attack right after. Is there a better rotation I could be using? I checked the DPS spreadsheet by Dr_Allcom and it shows Slam x4, MS>WW. What does this mean exactly? I've interpreted it as spamming Slam 4 times back-to-back and following up with a MS. But that achieved poor DPS results.
Any help is appreciated.
Slam should be timed so it casts just after your white hit. This means pressing the button just before if you're lagging. If you don't have WF just go fury. If you're really, really full on rage you can slam spam after MS/WW, but honestly it happens so rarely I don't worry about it.
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