A reversing parry is exactly what i mean. And regarding the 0.05 second thing - thats 0.05 for every attack. It might even itself out over time, and it might not, but theres definitely a chance that this discrepancy can build up over time.
A reversing parry is exactly what i mean. And regarding the 0.05 second thing - thats 0.05 for every attack. It might even itself out over time, and it might not, but theres definitely a chance that this discrepancy can build up over time.
Thinking this out a bit more and I realized a reversing boss wouldn't matter. I would need to parry a mob's attack, not vice versa for my MH to be hastened. If I'm not tanking, it doesn't matter.
For an axe specced 33/28/0 warrior, what would be a good crit rating? I'm at 37.34% crit unbuffed (at zerker stance) and about 2000 AP (with battleshout).
And.. I still cant do much more than 600dps (without a druid or shaman).
As a 33/28 sword spec warrior, with 1834 ap/31.69 crit, I usually sustain about 1k dps with a shaman (no druid), and often less, however not so much now that my guild is delving further into Hyjal/BT. On our first Anetheron kill, I came in doing 1034 DPS, and I really think I ought to be doing more. I use the regular slam rotation- white->slam->special, and don't really lag. I have a few concerns that I hope could be addressed.
1) I run at about 22 fps, but am going to be getting a new pc, running at probably ~80, will I see much of a dps increase from this as my I can time my slams slightly better? (Currently, its not a large problem)
2) I honestly don't really use potions- I figure I'd start using relentless assault flasks, and whatever the best cooldown potion is (can someone tell me?). Will I notice a large dps increase with this?
3) I don't regularly receive LotP, but I possibly could be. Is this a big upgrade to dps? (The spreadsheet has it down as being something like 80 dps?)
4) Should I be switching to two fast 1-h @ 19% to execute, or sustain my slam rotation?
My gear is very solid. Cloak, ring, ranged slot upgrades are out there for me, but they are minor. OH Warglaive would obviously give me a big boost, and if I was shooting for personal DPS I could rep Solarian's. But overall I have very good gear, I certainly cant complain.
Hello guys! This is my first post, but I do read here quite a bit. I just have one question though that has been bugging me for some time. I played a warrior for a bit in TBC, just up into early SSC/TK. I was our MT, so my DPS experience was lacking, but I feel I was pretty good at it. And I know that you out gear my warrior by quite a bit, but I'm just wondering how those numbers are possible? I looked at your WWS, so its not that I don't believe it, but my guilds have always ran recount and we have always looked at that as being pretty accurate.
So I guess my question is the gear actually scaling that much? Or does WWS not take into consideration things like movement time where you are doing 0 DPS? Is the DPS just calculated different somehow? I just remember in my old guild we had three very solid rogues, all of whom were putting out around 1k sustained DPS according to recount, and that rogue on your Gorefiend WWS is at 2245, haha.
Hello guys! This is my first post, but I do read here quite a bit. I just have one question though that has been bugging me for some time. I played a warrior for a bit in TBC, just up into early SSC/TK. I was our MT, so my DPS experience was lacking, but I feel I was pretty good at it. And I know that you out gear my warrior by quite a bit, but I'm just wondering how those numbers are possible? I looked at your WWS, so its not that I don't believe it, but my guilds have always ran recount and we have always looked at that as being pretty accurate.
So I guess my question is the gear actually scaling that much? Or does WWS not take into consideration things like movement time where you are doing 0 DPS? Is the DPS just calculated different somehow? I just remember in my old guild we had three very solid rogues, all of whom were putting out around 1k sustained DPS according to recount, and that rogue on your Gorefiend WWS is at 2245, haha.
Sorry if this is a silly question, but thanks
Gear does scale very well, but the fights he posted wws for also allow near 100% dps time. By early ssc/tk I'm assuming you mean hydross/lurker and void reaver/alar. The nature of these fights does not allow for as much dps as gorefiend/kaz'rogal/anetheron. Raid makeup also accounts for a lot of disparity in dps. We had an enhancement shaman, feral druid, blood frenzy for about 50% of the fight, expose weakness, and curse of recklessness for that kill.
Different mods do calculate dps differently, but there isn't really a huge disparity. In the wws my guildmate posted earlier in this thread (where it had me at 2351 dps for gorefiend), both recap and recount were within about 20 dps of that number.
As a 33/28 sword spec warrior, with 1834 ap/31.69 crit, I usually sustain about 1k dps with a shaman (no druid), and often less, however not so much now that my guild is delving further into Hyjal/BT. On our first Anetheron kill, I came in doing 1034 DPS, and I really think I ought to be doing more. I use the regular slam rotation- white->slam->special, and don't really lag. I have a few concerns that I hope could be addressed.
1) I run at about 22 fps, but am going to be getting a new pc, running at probably ~80, will I see much of a dps increase from this as my I can time my slams slightly better? (Currently, its not a large problem)
2) I honestly don't really use potions- I figure I'd start using relentless assault flasks, and whatever the best cooldown potion is (can someone tell me?). Will I notice a large dps increase with this?
3) I don't regularly receive LotP, but I possibly could be. Is this a big upgrade to dps? (The spreadsheet has it down as being something like 80 dps?)
4) Should I be switching to two fast 1-h @ 19% to execute, or sustain my slam rotation?
For an axe specced 33/28/0 warrior, what would be a good crit rating? I'm at 37.34% crit unbuffed (at zerker stance) and about 2000 AP (with battleshout).
And.. I still cant do much more than 600dps (without a druid or shaman).
Thanks
No WF gimps your rage generation (being swordspecced helps a little) so it will be hard to keep up the rotation.
It would be nice to maybe tell us what kind of rotation you use and maybe post a WWS of one of your raids so we can possibly help you out where you're doing something wrong
For a swing timer bar I recommend "Ld50_abar" because it has a quartz-like latency bar which allows you to time slams a lot better.
Is there a specific point where using 2x 1Handers and execute spamming surpasses the Slam rotation? And would it still be worth it with only 1/2 Imp Execute?
Maybe when you have top TOP end gear. For now, I go from doing around 1300 DPS to doing 1900 DPS on execute range swapping for two one handers. Look back a few pages for more info on execute range and WWS reports on it.
Hello,
I have a question:
Which jems would be better to insert in my gear: red (+10 str) or yellow (+10 crit. rating) ?
My specc is 33/28 (2h). My equip is at TK/SSC/HS/BT level atm. Weapon - Soul Cleaver.
No WF gimps your rage generation (being swordspecced helps a little) so it will be hard to keep up the rotation.
It would be nice to maybe tell us what kind of rotation you use and maybe post a WWS of one of your raids so we can possibly help you out where you're doing something wrong
Heya!
We have not been raiding much lately...
I use that "white dmg - slam - special" rotation, timing the slam to hit right after the white damage hit. I was with most blues and greens a month ago, and the gear got a lot better, but still the DPS is lacking. I'm kinda lost here. My guild is starting SSC, so gear to me is Karazhan/Gruul stuff plus pvp /arena/badge gear.
We ran ZA yesterday, and Recount was showing me with 500dps on the first boss (bear)... No druid nor shaman on my group, and it's most likely that I will never have one.
About the rotation again, most of the time I only have rage to slam.
Gear does scale very well, but the fights he posted wws for also allow near 100% dps time. By early ssc/tk I'm assuming you mean hydross/lurker and void reaver/alar. The nature of these fights does not allow for as much dps as gorefiend/kaz'rogal/anetheron. Raid makeup also accounts for a lot of disparity in dps. We had an enhancement shaman, feral druid, blood frenzy for about 50% of the fight, expose weakness, and curse of recklessness for that kill.
Different mods do calculate dps differently, but there isn't really a huge disparity. In the wws my guildmate posted earlier in this thread (where it had me at 2351 dps for gorefiend), both recap and recount were within about 20 dps of that number.
Another very important part of the equation is that this increased raid dps means that the fights last a shorter period of time, which in turn means that you will be spending a larger percentage of that time with on cooldown abilities such as heroism/bloodlust and recklessness. High raid dps is as such a bit of a feedback loop.
I use that "white dmg - slam - special" rotation, timing the slam to hit right after the white damage hit. I was with most blues and greens a month ago, and the gear got a lot better, but still the DPS is lacking. I'm kinda lost here. My guild is starting SSC, so gear to me is Karazhan/Gruul stuff plus pvp /arena/badge gear.
We ran ZA yesterday, and Recount was showing me with 500dps on the first boss (bear)... No druid nor shaman on my group, and it's most likely that I will never have one.
About the rotation again, most of the time I only have rage to slam.
If you want to remain arms you will have to go find an enhancement shaman that can raid with you guys, otherwise it's not worth it since your dps will remain lackluster without Windfury.
If there's absolutely no way you can get a shaman you might want to spec 17/44, it's less reliant on Windfury to keep it's rotation going, although it is a bit harder to gear for it.
I have been reading this post since its incarnation. Although I am not geared as well as some of you I dont think my gear is all that bad. I have been using the DPS SS religiously. I am group with a feral druid and sometimes an enh shammy.
But I cannot figure out how to do 1k dps that some of you are obviously attaining. Is it me or is it my raid as a whole?
I am 17/44 spec. And you can link to my gear to the left.
Any pointers, help, boots in the @$$ would be greatly appreciated.
I have been reading this post since its incarnation. Although I am not geared as well as some of you I dont think my gear is all that bad. I have been using the DPS SS religiously. I am group with a feral druid and sometimes an enh shammy.
But I cannot figure out how to do 1k dps that some of you are obviously attaining. Is it me or is it my raid as a whole?
I am 17/44 spec. And you can link to my gear to the left.
Any pointers, help, boots in the @$$ would be greatly appreciated.
Armory is down for me at the moment so I can't see if anything is wrong with your gear or if you're running with really low hit rating (anything sub 9% pretty much).
The only thing I assume it could be if there's something wrong with the rotation you are doing in a raid or if you waste rage on abilities (refreshing rampage when there's >5~7seconds left, or refreshing battleshout when it has >15 seconds left).
A thing to also note is that as your gear improves you will be able to fit more heroic strikes into your cycle making for more dps.
Only other pointer I could give you is try to time CD's, having Haste Potion + Heroism + Recklessness up from <19% makes for quite a large dps boost.
If you could post a WWS we could get some more information.
Anyways as for my rotation I am using a macro: /castsequence reset=18 Bloodthirst, Whirlwind, Bloodthirst, Whirlwind, Bloodthirst.
Using cooldowns for HS, BS refresh, and Rampage.
During execute phase I usually switch to 2 daggers for executes.
I do have to comment is that during the middle of fights I find myself unable to dump rage fast enough. I hate to stance switch and lose rage that could be used for damage. Any pointers there?
Oh and my +hit is 208 rating, and I don't gem for +hit (although I have 1).
I don't use a macro, you need to prioritize Bloodthirst over WW all the time.
During execute range, don't use daggers, but rather two fast one handed swords/axes/maces/fists. You do less damage with daggers = less rage for executes.
Were you threatcapped when you had too much rage? Otherwise just HS it away.
And one additional, stack consumables, stack buffs. If you're going to pop something, pop everything. I.e. recklessness + DW + trinkets + haste potion + heroism during execute phase will get you a huge DPS boost.
I would like to ask what +hit ammount would be best for warriors in my guild (we currently cleared SSC, only KT left in TK). They are using aroung 170 hit rating at this moment isn't that to low ?
During execute range, don't use daggers, but rather two fast one handed swords/axes/maces/fists. You do less damage with daggers = less rage for executes.
The only way daggers are at a disadvantage are normalized attacks. White attacks, heroic strike, execute, and bloodthirst are all not normalized so theres almost no difference between a 1.5 speed dagger or a 2.6 speed axe in execute range.
I would like to ask what +hit ammount would be best for warriors in my guild (we currently cleared SSC, only KT left in TK). They are using aroung 170 hit rating at this moment isn't that to low ?
If they are fury thats perfectly fine (they will probably also have precision in their build so they have a decent amount of hit).
If they are arms they've overshot the hitcap, A raiding arms warrior needs 9% hit which should be around 150 hit rating of the top of my head.
Originally Posted by Lopert
During execute phase I usually switch to 2 daggers for executes.
I do have to comment is that during the middle of fights I find myself unable to dump rage fast enough. I hate to stance switch and lose rage that could be used for damage. Any pointers there?
As far as ragedumping goes I found it handy to refresh Demo Shout if I had alot of rage and couldn't do more HS due to threat.
Other then that during Execute phase if you have >30 rage you want to BT, a Bloodthirst will usually do more damage then a 30 rage Execute.
I don't use a macro, you need to prioritize Bloodthirst over WW all the time.
During execute range, don't use daggers, but rather two fast one handed swords/axes/maces/fists. You do less damage with daggers = less rage for executes.
Were you threatcapped when you had too much rage? Otherwise just HS it away.
And one additional, stack consumables, stack buffs. If you're going to pop something, pop everything. I.e. recklessness + DW + trinkets + haste potion + heroism during execute phase will get you a huge DPS boost.
OK so throw the macro away and choose Bloodthirst over everything else, GOT IT.
As for the rage dumping yes I am always threat capped when I have too much of it most of the time. I use subtlety to cloak and of course salve. Maybe I start off slower then go hard middle to end..........
Thank you guys for the excellent advice I really do appreciate it. My main was a rogue Pre BC and DPS was easy on it
This is my first post and I've been reading thru all these post. First I just want to thank all of you for your imput. I know, now that I've been steered this way, that it will help me a whole lot.
I was fury and have found it difficult to keep up with the dps. Not sure if it was my rotation or whatnot. I've taken a little break and would like to go back to my tried and true MS build. My question today is on MS for end game.
What is the HR that I should shoot for? ATM I'm at 203 if I can remember correctly. I don't have a 2h wep yet but am in the works to aquiring one.
What ap is good to have, is there even a cap?
What crit should I be at? Last I remember it was at 36.54 or somethign like that....not sure what % that is.
I have the rotation down. Just need a little advice on these other things for now.
Ah forgot one. My guild is in BT/HY atm, and I won't be raiding in there till I get myself setup correctly. What 2h wep would benefit the most? S2 axe or gorehowl or anything you know off hand??
Sorry for not coming up with more exacts...I'm at work and can't access some of that info.
Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions/help you guys provide.
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