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Old 08/09/12, 9:37 AM   #151
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Something I just remembered: Storm Bolt doesn't replace Heroic Throw anymore, so HT can always be used. Curreny, the action list skips HT if you have SB.

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Old 08/09/12, 9:51 AM   #152
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I added skull banner, I assumed it's just like the metagem, except x1.20 of course.
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Old 08/09/12, 10:00 AM   #153
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Arms updated with scalefactors.. they look more reasonable than Fury's
Simulationcraft Results

Wdps > Hit > Exp > Str > Crit > AP > Mastery > Haste > Agi
Looks like they should buff Mastery / Haste benefits as they scale bad and Arms dmg isn't too great overall. Although better gear/action lists may alleviate some of the problems. That's it from my side until we have a binary release ready for you guys to fiddle around with.
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Old 08/09/12, 4:26 PM   #154
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Just want to point out you guys keep using : Cloak of Overwhelming Corruption - Item - World of Warcraft
Should try say: Cloak of Peacock Feathers - Item - World of Warcraft.

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Old 08/09/12, 4:56 PM   #155
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Would the Strength + strength proc PvP trinkets be better than Strength + Haste proc trinkets even with the lower i level?

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Old 08/09/12, 6:41 PM   #156
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new precompiled simcraft.exe for windows with warrior enabled.
should have an arms, 2h fury and smf profile to play around with in the Tier14H folder.
simc-504-3-win32.zip - simulationcraft - Patch 5.0.4 Release 2 *BETA* Win32+Source - World of Warcraft DPS Simulator - Google Project Hosting
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Old 08/09/12, 8:05 PM   #157
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Regarding TG-Fury:
Dragon Roar>Shockwave>Bladestorm
Bloodbath>Avatar>Storm Bolt
Windsong>Dancing Steel
121k DPS
SEP values: Crit 1.02, Mastery 0.63, Haste 0.36, Hit 0.36
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warrior="Warrior_Fury_2h_T14H"
origin="unknown"
level=90
race=worgen
spec=fury
role=attack
position=back
professions=jewelcrafting=600/blacksmithing=600
talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#ZZ!122211
glyphs=death_from_above/recklessness/unending_rage
actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/stance,choose=battle
actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=(target.health.pct<20&buff.recklessness.up)|target.time_to_die<=25
actions+=/deadly_calm,if=rage>=60
actions+=/recklessness,if=(debuff.colossus_smash.remains>=5|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=4)&((!talent.avatar.enabled|!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)&((target.health.pct<20|target.time_to_die>310|(target.time_to_die>160&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)))|(talent.avatar.enabled&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee&buff.avatar.up))
actions+=/avatar,if=talent.avatar.enabled&((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=180|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&target.time_to_die>195)|(target.health.pct<20&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))
actions+=/bloodbath,if=talent.bloodbath.enabled&((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=60|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&(target.time_to_die<=162|(target.time_to_die<=312&!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))&target.time_to_die>70))
actions+=/berserker_rage,use_off_gcd=1,if=!(buff.enrage.up|buff.raging_blow.stack=2|rage>=100)
actions+=/heroic_leap,use_off_gcd=1,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up
actions+=/heroic_strike,use_off_gcd=1,if=((debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=60)|rage>=80|buff.deadly_calm.up)&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/bloodthirst
actions+=/colossus_smash
actions+=/execute
actions+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.up&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/raging_blow,if=buff.raging_blow.stack=2
actions+=/storm_bolt,if=talent.storm_bolt.enabled
actions+=/shockwave,if=talent.shockwave.enabled
actions+=/dragon_roar,if=talent.dragon_roar.enabled
actions+=/heroic_throw
actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90&!debuff.colossus_smash.up
actions+=/raging_blow,if=buff.raging_blow.react
actions+=/bladestorm,if=talent.bladestorm.enabled&rage<=60&cooldown.colossus_smash.remains>=5&!debuff.colossus_smash.up&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains>=2&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/wild_strike,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/impending_victory,if=talent.impending_victory.enabled&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/wild_strike,if=!(cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=4&rage<=60)&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90

head=helmet_of_resounding_rings,id=87192,gems=reverberating_primal_160crit_160hit_180str,reforge=hit_crit
neck=necklace_of_congealed_weaknesses,id=86967,reforge=mastery_exp
shoulders=shoulderpads_of_misshapen_life,id=86986,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_exp
chest=battleplate_of_resounding_rings,id=87193,gems=320crit_320crit_120crit,enchant=80all,reforge=haste_hit
waist=patrollers_girdle_of_endless_spring,id=87186,gems=160crit_160hit_320crit_60crit,reforge=hit_mastery
legs=legplates_of_resounding_rings,id=87195,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
feet=jasper_clawfeet,id=87015,gems=320crit_60crit,enchant=140mastery
wrists=bracers_of_defiled_earth,id=90506,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=mastery_crit
hands=gauntlets_of_resounding_rings,id=87194,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=exp_hit
finger1=ring_of_the_bladed_tempest,id=86957,reforge=haste_crit
finger2=dread_shadow_ring,id=87158,reforge=hit_mastery
trinket1=darkmist_vortex,id=87172
trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327
back=cloak_of_peacock_feathers,id=87026,enchant=180crit,reforge=exp_hit
main_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,id=87176,gems=500str,enchant=windsong
off_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,id=87176,enchant=windsong

The proc from the PvP-trinket doesn't seem to be implemented yet.
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Old 08/09/12, 11:56 PM   #158
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You should also take Glyph of Death from Above as that would be a dps increase. I'm also not seeing Skull Banner in that priority list and I should mention it's off the GCD as of the last build.

Also I have a question about Blood Bath and damage munching, has there been any confirmation that's indeed happening and does SimCraft account for that? Do other classes that have similar mechanics (haven't followed all class changes, but I'm guessing Fire Mages) still have this issue?

There have been multiple reports of damage loss. Here are a few logs I did:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Link to post: Beta Class Balance Analysis - Forums - World of Warcraft

Logs from another warrior:
Arms w/ HS: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Arms w/o HS: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Fury w/ HS: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Fury w/o HS: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Link to post: Beta Class Balance Analysis - Forums - World of Warcraft

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Link to post: [Warrior] Consolidated List of Issues P4 - Forums - World of Warcraft

Even with very few abilities (like 2 or 3) you can notice a damage loss.
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Old 08/10/12, 12:12 AM   #159
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Heroic Leap has a minimum range, doesn't it? Isn't including that in the rotation sorta wrong, like including Charge for off-GCD rage?

Edit: doesn't Heroic Throw reset the swing timer, or has that changed for MoP? If not, is SimulationCraft properly modelling that behavior?
Last edited by Deus_Phasmatis : 08/10/12 at 12:52 AM.
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Old 08/10/12, 1:43 AM   #160
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Originally Posted by Deus_Phasmatis View Post
Heroic Leap has a minimum range, doesn't it? Isn't including that in the rotation sorta wrong, like including Charge for off-GCD rage?

Edit: doesn't Heroic Throw reset the swing timer, or has that changed for MoP? If not, is SimulationCraft properly modelling that behavior?
both storm bolt and heroic throw do not reset swing timer

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Old 08/10/12, 3:15 AM   #161
Serivola
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Even small bosses have a large enough hitbox to allow the use of Heroic Leap. Anyways in the current build simcraft doesn't use Heroic Leap even if it is in the priority list.
Glyph of Death from Above is used, the reduced cooldown is applied.
I'm not using skull banner cause it's a raid cooldown and as far as I can see the simulations of other classes don't include it so it would make it difficult for comparison (should be included the same way as bloodlust).
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Old 08/10/12, 3:48 AM   #162
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Heroic Leap does work, *but* you have to use debuff.colossus_smahs instead of buff.colossus_smash as it this is now stored at the target. We need to make sure that buff.colossus_smash is not working so others don't run into the same issue.

Updated the list accordingly->120,7k dps and now using it as the official profile.

Regarding the PvP trinket: It seems that the tooltip is broken, and digging into client data and the spell procs makes it more likely that it gives 1452 on the 483 level and 1287 on the 464 level. By chance, this makes it exactly on par with the Xuen trinket :-)


Will ask someone more senior about the bloodbath dot munching *sigh*.
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Old 08/10/12, 5:24 AM   #163
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is that right.
in MOP is the Fury 2h in the DPS higher than the Arms Warrior?

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Old 08/10/12, 7:07 AM   #164
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It is possible that Fury is stronger singletarget and arms has better AE, but it is still beta and a lot things may change.

Regarding SMF-Fury:
Dragon Roar>Shockwave>Bladestorm
Avatar>Bloodbath>Storm Bolt
Windsong>Dancing Steel
114k DPS
SEP values: Crit 0.85, Mastery 0.53, Haste 0.35, Hit 0.34
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warrior="Warrior_Fury_1h_T14H"
origin="unknown"
level=90
race=worgen
spec=fury
role=attack
position=back
professions=jewelcrafting=600/blacksmithing=600
talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#ZZ!122210
glyphs=death_from_above/recklessness/unending_rage
actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite
actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/stance,choose=battle
actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=(target.health.pct<20&buff.recklessness.up)|target.time_to_die<=25
actions+=/deadly_calm,if=rage>=60
actions+=/recklessness,if=(debuff.colossus_smash.remains>=5|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=4)&((!talent.avatar.enabled|!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)&((target.health.pct<20|target.time_to_die>310|(target.time_to_die>160&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)))|(talent.avatar.enabled&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee&buff.avatar.up))
actions+=/avatar,if=talent.avatar.enabled&((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=180|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&target.time_to_die>195)|(target.health.pct<20&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))
actions+=/bloodbath,if=talent.bloodbath.enabled&((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=60|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&(target.time_to_die<=162|(target.time_to_die<=312&!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))&target.time_to_die>70))
actions+=/berserker_rage,if=!(buff.enrage.up|buff.raging_blow.stack=2|rage>=100),use_off_gcd=1
actions+=/heroic_leap,use_off_gcd=1,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up
actions+=/heroic_strike,use_off_gcd=1,if=(((debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=60)|rage>=80|buff.deadly_calm.up)&target.health.pct>=20)
actions+=/bloodthirst
actions+=/colossus_smash
actions+=/execute
actions+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.up&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/raging_blow,if=buff.raging_blow.stack=2&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/storm_bolt,if=talent.storm_bolt.enabled
actions+=/shockwave,if=talent.shockwave.enabled
actions+=/dragon_roar,if=talent.dragon_roar.enabled
actions+=/heroic_throw
actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90&!debuff.colossus_smash.up
actions+=/raging_blow,if=buff.raging_blow.react&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/bladestorm,if=talent.bladestorm.enabled&rage<=60&cooldown.colossus_smash.remains>=5&!debuff.colossus_smash.up&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains>=2&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/wild_strike,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/impending_victory,if=talent.impending_victory.enabled&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/wild_strike,if=!(cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=4&rage<=60)&target.health.pct>=20
actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90

head=helmet_of_resounding_rings,id=87192,gems=reverberating_primal_160crit_160hit_180str,reforge=hit_crit
neck=necklace_of_congealed_weaknesses,id=86967,reforge=mastery_exp
shoulders=shoulderpads_of_misshapen_life,id=86986,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_exp
chest=battleplate_of_resounding_rings,id=87193,gems=320crit_320crit_120crit,enchant=80all,reforge=haste_mastery
waist=patrollers_girdle_of_endless_spring,id=87186,gems=160crit_160hit_320crit_60crit,reforge=hit_mastery
legs=legplates_of_resounding_rings,id=87195,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit
feet=jasper_clawfeet,id=87015,gems=320crit_60crit,enchant=140mastery
wrists=bracers_of_defiled_earth,id=90506,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=mastery_crit
hands=gauntlets_of_resounding_rings,id=87194,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=exp_mastery
finger1=ring_of_the_bladed_tempest,id=86957,reforge=haste_crit
finger2=dread_shadow_ring,id=87158
trinket1=darkmist_vortex,id=87172
trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327
back=cloak_of_peacock_feathers,id=87026,enchant=180crit,reforge=exp_hit
main_hand=kilrak_jaws_of_terror,id=87173,gems=500str,enchant=windsong,reforge=hit_crit
off_hand=kilrak_jaws_of_terror,id=87173,enchant=windsong,reforge=hit_crit
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Old 08/10/12, 7:09 AM   #165
epurator
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Originally Posted by Sunshine1977 View Post
is that right.
in MOP is the Fury 2h in the DPS higher than the Arms Warrior?
Build 15961

•Taste for Blood duration increased to 15 sec, up from 9 sec.

It means delay HS in order to reach 5 stacks before using HS (with CS débuff). So we will use Slam as dump rage spell

Probably Arms > Fury TG at least (need to make new simulations to be sure)

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