Mists of Pandaria: All Specs - Page 12

Berthold · 08/10/12, 7:43 AM

Arms needs a lot more buffs to be competitive to Fury. Make deep wounds scale with haste, increase base mastery, increase mastery scaling would be some easy ones.

Serivola · 08/10/12, 8:59 AM

Regarding Arms:
Dragon Roar>Shockwave>Bladestorm
Bloodbath>Avatar>Storm Bolt
Windsong>Dancing Steel
105k DPS
SEP values: Crit 0.60, Mastery 0.40, Haste 0.28

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warrior="Warrior_Arms_T14H" origin="unknown" level=90 race=worgen spec=fury role=attack position=back professions=jewelcrafting=600/blacksmithing=600 talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#Za!122211 glyphs=death_from_above/recklessness/unending_rage actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats actions.precombat+=/stance,choose=battle actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion actions+=/auto_attack actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=(target.health.pct<20&buff.recklessness.up)|target.time_to_die<=25 actions+=/deadly_calm,if=rage>=60 actions+=/recklessness,if=(debuff.colossus_smash.remains>=5|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=4)&((!talent.avatar.enabled|!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)&((target.health.pct<20|target.time_to_die>310|(target.time_to_die>160&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)))|(talent.avatar.enabled&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee&buff.avatar.up)) actions+=/avatar,if=talent.avatar.enabled&((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=180|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&target.time_to_die>195)|(target.health.pct<20&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)) actions+=/bloodbath,if=talent.bloodbath.enabled&((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=60|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&(target.time_to_die<=162|(target.time_to_die<=312&!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))&target.time_to_die>70)) actions+=/berserker_rage,if=!(buff.enrage.up|rage>=100),use_off_gcd=1 actions+=/heroic_leap,use_off_gcd=1,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up actions+=/heroic_strike,use_off_gcd=1,if=((buff.taste_for_blood.up&buff.taste_for_blood.remains<=2)|buff.taste_for_blood.stack=5|buff.deadly_calm.up|rage>=90)&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/mortal_strike actions+=/colossus_smash actions+=/execute,if=rage>=90 actions+=/overpower actions+=/slam,if=rage>=80&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/storm_bolt,if=talent.storm_bolt.enabled actions+=/shockwave,if=talent.shockwave.enabled actions+=/dragon_roar,if=talent.dragon_roar.enabled actions+=/heroic_throw actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90&!debuff.colossus_smash.up actions+=/execute actions+=/bladestorm,if=talent.bladestorm.enabled&rage<=60&!debuff.colossus_smash.up&cooldown.mortal_strike.remains>=2&!buff.deadly_calm.up&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/slam,if=target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/impending_victory,if=talent.impending_victory.enabled&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90 head=helmet_of_resounding_rings,id=87192,gems=reverberating_primal_160crit_160hit_180str,reforge=hit_crit neck=shackle_of_eversparks,id=90508,reforge=hit_crit shoulders=shoulderpads_of_misshapen_life,id=86986,gems=80str_160crit_60str,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_exp chest=battleplate_of_resounding_rings,id=87193,gems=320crit_320crit_120crit,enchant=80all,reforge=haste_mastery waist=patrollers_girdle_of_endless_spring,id=87186,gems=160crit_160hit_320crit_60crit,reforge=hit_mastery legs=legplates_of_resounding_rings,id=87195,gems=80str_160crit_60str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit feet=jasper_clawfeet,id=87015,gems=320crit_60crit,enchant=140mastery,reforge=mastery_hit wrists=bracers_of_defiled_earth,id=90506,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=mastery_crit hands=gauntlets_of_resounding_rings,id=87194,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=exp_mastery finger1=ring_of_the_bladed_tempest,id=86957,reforge=haste_crit finger2=dread_shadow_ring,id=87158 trinket1=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 back=cloak_of_peacock_feathers,id=87026,enchant=180crit,reforge=exp_mastery main_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,id=87176,gems=500str,enchant=windsong

Berthold · 08/10/12, 9:32 AM

Thanks serivola for the updates. We finally have some good profiles! (and it seems that arms is competitive and only needs minor tweaks) They should show up on simulationcraft.org in a couple of hours.

epurator · 08/10/12, 9:59 AM

On the link below:

Simulationcraft Results

Action Priority List: stance,choose=battle

It shoud be stance,choose=berseker no ? perhaps an error

Otori · 08/10/12, 10:11 AM

Is the Recklessness glyph supported? For Fury a lot of crit goes to waste on BT during Reck.

Serivola · 08/10/12, 11:02 AM

Battle Stance is the stance used while not taking good amounts of damage.
Recklessness and Unending Rage glyphs are supported, Death from Above is missing (even though I said something different a page before, thought 45s was the glyphed CD which isn't). Also Glyph of Recklessness is a DPS increase (for all three specs).
All profiles need "glyphs=death_from_above/recklessness/unending_rage" added.

Dots · 08/10/12, 1:11 PM

Below are the best action sets I have found for Fury so far. Talents/gear/glyphs are all the same ones that Serivola used, I just optimized the rotation. For some reason the action set on the SimC website shows 125k DPS, but only 120k DPS when I run it myself. I guess that's because of different Bloodlust timing? Either way, these should be better. I put Skull Banner in there, but it's commented out for the moment. Still looking at Arms.

TG Fury - 128400 DPS

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warrior="Warrior_Fury_2h_T14H" origin="unknown" level=90 race=worgen spec=fury role=attack position=back professions=jewelcrafting=600/blacksmithing=600 talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#ZZ!122211!YcNKIH glyphs=unending_rage/recklessness/death_from_above actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats actions.precombat+=/stance,choose=battle actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion actions+=/auto_attack actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=(target.health.pct<20&buff.recklessness.up)|buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=25 actions+=/recklessness,use_off_gcd=1,if=((debuff.colossus_smash.remains>=5|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=4)&((!talent.avatar.enabled|!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)&((target.health.pct<20|target.time_to_die>315|(target.time_to_die>165&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)))|(talent.avatar.enabled&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee&buff.avatar.up)))|target.time_to_die<=18 actions+=/avatar,use_off_gcd=1,if=talent.avatar.enabled&(((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=180|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&target.time_to_die>195)|(target.health.pct<20&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))|target.time_to_die<=20) actions+=/bloodbath,use_off_gcd=1,if=talent.bloodbath.enabled&(((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=10|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&(target.time_to_die<=165|(target.time_to_die<=315&!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))&target.time_to_die>75))|target.time_to_die<=19) ###actions+=/skull_banner,use_off_gcd=1,if=buff.recklessness.up|(cooldown.recklessness.remains>=75&(buff.avatar.up|buff.bloodbath.up))|(cooldown.recklessness.remains>=75&(!talent.avatar.enabled&!talent.bloodbath.enabled))|target.time_to_die<=10 actions+=/berserker_rage,use_off_gcd=1,if=!(buff.enrage.react|buff.raging_blow.react=2|rage>=100) actions+=/heroic_leap,use_off_gcd=1,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up actions+=/deadly_calm,use_off_gcd=1,if=rage>=40 actions+=/heroic_strike,use_off_gcd=1,if=(((debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=40)|(buff.deadly_calm.up&rage>=30))&target.health.pct>=20)|rage>=110 actions+=/bloodthirst,if=!(target.health.pct<20&debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=30) actions+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.react&target.health.pct>=20&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains<=1 actions+=/wait,sec=cooldown.bloodthirst.remains,if=!(target.health.pct<20&debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=30)&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains<=1 actions+=/colossus_smash actions+=/execute actions+=/storm_bolt,if=talent.storm_bolt.enabled actions+=/raging_blow,if=buff.raging_blow.react actions+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.react&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/shockwave,if=talent.shockwave.enabled actions+=/dragon_roar,if=talent.dragon_roar.enabled actions+=/heroic_throw actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90&!debuff.colossus_smash.up actions+=/bladestorm,if=talent.bladestorm.enabled&cooldown.colossus_smash.remains>=5&!debuff.colossus_smash.up&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains>=2&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/wild_strike,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/impending_victory,if=talent.impending_victory.enabled&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/wild_strike,if=cooldown.colossus_smash.remains>=1&rage>=60&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90 head=helmet_of_resounding_rings,id=87192,gems=reverberating_primal_160crit_160hit_180str,reforge=hit_crit neck=necklace_of_congealed_weaknesses,id=86967,reforge=mastery_exp shoulders=shoulderpads_of_misshapen_life,id=86986,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_exp chest=battleplate_of_resounding_rings,id=87193,gems=320crit_320crit_120crit,enchant=80all,reforge=haste_hit waist=patrollers_girdle_of_endless_spring,id=87186,gems=160crit_160hit_320crit_60crit,reforge=hit_mastery legs=legplates_of_resounding_rings,id=87195,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit feet=jasper_clawfeet,id=87015,gems=320crit_60crit,enchant=140mastery wrists=bracers_of_defiled_earth,id=90506,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=mastery_crit hands=gauntlets_of_resounding_rings,id=87194,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=exp_hit finger1=ring_of_the_bladed_tempest,id=86957,reforge=haste_crit finger2=dread_shadow_ring,id=87158,reforge=hit_mastery trinket1=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 back=cloak_of_peacock_feathers,id=87026,enchant=180crit,reforge=exp_hit main_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,id=87176,gems=500str,enchant=windsong off_hand=shinka_execution_of_dominion,id=87176,enchant=windsong

SMF Fury - 119800 DPS

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warrior="Warrior_Fury_1h_T14H" origin="unknown" level=90 race=worgen spec=fury role=attack position=back professions=jewelcrafting=600/blacksmithing=600 talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#ZZ!122211!YcNKIH glyphs=unending_rage/recklessness/death_from_above actions.precombat=flask,type=winters_bite actions.precombat+=/food,type=black_pepper_ribs_and_shrimp actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats actions.precombat+=/stance,choose=battle actions.precombat+=/mogu_power_potion actions+=/auto_attack actions+=/mogu_power_potion,if=(target.health.pct<20&buff.recklessness.up)|buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=25 actions+=/recklessness,use_off_gcd=1,if=((debuff.colossus_smash.remains>=5|cooldown.colossus_smash.remains<=4)&((!talent.avatar.enabled|!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)&((target.health.pct<20|target.time_to_die>315|(target.time_to_die>165&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee)))|(talent.avatar.enabled&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee&buff.avatar.up)))|target.time_to_die<=18 actions+=/avatar,use_off_gcd=1,if=talent.avatar.enabled&(((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=180|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&target.time_to_die>195)|(target.health.pct<20&set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))|target.time_to_die<=20) actions+=/bloodbath,use_off_gcd=1,if=talent.bloodbath.enabled&(((cooldown.recklessness.remains>=10|buff.recklessness.up)|(target.health.pct>=20&(target.time_to_die<=165|(target.time_to_die<=315&!set_bonus.tier14_4pc_melee))&target.time_to_die>75))|target.time_to_die<=19) ###actions+=/skull_banner,use_off_gcd=1,if=buff.recklessness.up|(cooldown.recklessness.remains>=75&(buff.avatar.up|buff.bloodbath.up))|(cooldown.recklessness.remains>=75&(!talent.avatar.enabled&!talent.bloodbath.enabled))|target.time_to_die<=10 actions+=/berserker_rage,use_off_gcd=1,if=!(buff.enrage.react|buff.raging_blow.react=2|rage>=100) actions+=/heroic_leap,use_off_gcd=1,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up actions+=/deadly_calm,use_off_gcd=1,if=rage>=40 actions+=/heroic_strike,use_off_gcd=1,if=(((debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=40)|(buff.deadly_calm.up&rage>=30))&target.health.pct>=20)|rage>=110 actions+=/bloodthirst,if=!(target.health.pct<20&debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=30) actions+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.react&target.health.pct>=20&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains<=1 actions+=/wait,sec=cooldown.bloodthirst.remains,if=!(target.health.pct<20&debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=30)&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains<=1 actions+=/colossus_smash actions+=/execute actions+=/storm_bolt,if=talent.storm_bolt.enabled actions+=/raging_blow,if=buff.raging_blow.react actions+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.react&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/shockwave,if=talent.shockwave.enabled actions+=/dragon_roar,if=talent.dragon_roar.enabled actions+=/heroic_throw actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90&!debuff.colossus_smash.up actions+=/bladestorm,if=talent.bladestorm.enabled&cooldown.colossus_smash.remains>=5&!debuff.colossus_smash.up&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains>=2&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/wild_strike,if=debuff.colossus_smash.up&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/impending_victory,if=talent.impending_victory.enabled&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/wild_strike,if=cooldown.colossus_smash.remains>=1&rage>=60&target.health.pct>=20 actions+=/battle_shout,if=rage<90 head=helmet_of_resounding_rings,id=87192,gems=reverberating_primal_160crit_160hit_180str,reforge=hit_crit neck=necklace_of_congealed_weaknesses,id=86967,reforge=mastery_exp shoulders=shoulderpads_of_misshapen_life,id=86986,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=200str_100crit,reforge=mastery_exp chest=battleplate_of_resounding_rings,id=87193,gems=320crit_320crit_120crit,enchant=80all,reforge=haste_mastery waist=patrollers_girdle_of_endless_spring,id=87186,gems=160crit_160hit_320crit_60crit,reforge=hit_mastery legs=legplates_of_resounding_rings,id=87195,gems=160exp_160crit_60str,enchant=285str_165crit,reforge=mastery_crit feet=jasper_clawfeet,id=87015,gems=320crit_60crit,enchant=140mastery wrists=bracers_of_defiled_earth,id=90506,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=mastery_crit hands=gauntlets_of_resounding_rings,id=87194,gems=480crit,enchant=170str,reforge=exp_mastery finger1=ring_of_the_bladed_tempest,id=86957,reforge=haste_crit finger2=dread_shadow_ring,id=87158 trinket1=darkmist_vortex,id=87172 trinket2=relic_of_xuen,id=79327 back=cloak_of_peacock_feathers,id=87026,enchant=180crit,reforge=exp_hit main_hand=kilrak_jaws_of_terror,id=87173,gems=500str,enchant=windsong,reforge=hit_crit off_hand=kilrak_jaws_of_terror,id=87173,enchant=windsong,reforge=hit_crit

Edit: Small adjustment for Storm Bolt. It is now used before Raging Blow and Bloodsurge'd Wild Strike, not after. Still a few 100 DPS behind the other two talent options.

Edit2: Changed the wait lines as Serivola suggested. Good catch. Also added reacts to Raging Blow, Bloodsurge and Enrage procs.

Serivola · 08/10/12, 1:45 PM

Good improvements! You may increase the damage a little more if you enhance the wait part to fit with your BT:

actions+=/wait,sec=cooldown.bloodthirst.remains,if=!(target.health.pct<20&debuff.colossus_smash.up&rage>=30)&cooldown.bloodthirst.remains<=1

Dots · 08/10/12, 3:30 PM

Seems like SimC does not properly consume the Taste for Blood stack after using Heroic Strike, so Arms is not really worth looking at yet. By the way, does "if=buff.overpower.up" work to check if Overpower is available?

Starfox · 08/10/12, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dots

Seems like SimC does not properly consume the Taste for Blood stack after using Heroic Strike, so Arms is not really worth looking at yet. By the way, does "if=buff.overpower.up" work to check if Overpower is available?

Yes, overpower activiation is tracked by a silent buff called overpwer.
I fixed the TfB issue, forgot to expire the buff when cleave/hs was executed :c

Dots · 08/10/12, 9:53 PM

I think the crit rate of Bloodthirst is currently too high in SimC. As Ghostcrawler posted here, the crit chance reduction against higher level targets is applied before crit chance multipliers like Bloodthirst. Not sure if that has to be fixed in general or for each separate spell, but it seems like Bloodthirst is calculated the other way around right now.

Berthold · 08/11/12, 3:23 AM

Glyph of Death from Above is in. Update TG and SMF profiles.

Regarding BT crit, as far as I can tell from the code, it is working as it should be. Maybe somebody else will take a second look at it.

Regarding Bloodbath. This is modelled as an ignite mechanic as described by GC for MoP in Beta Class Balance Analysis - Forums - World of Warcraft

I have no level 90 warrior on the beta to dig deeper into this, so I can't tell whether there are bugs on Blizzard's side and whether they will remain. Overall, the WoL suggest that there is munching going on, but the couple "bloodbath is up" segments I looked at, were fine.

However, even if it is bugged it is not that important. It is a ~10% dmg loss that is relevant for an ability that does 4-5% of our dmg, i.e., overall less than 0.5%. Contrary to fire mages, this fortunately has 0 impact on how we gear. It could effect which lev 90 talent we choose, yet I am assuming that we will switch them depending on the encounter anyway as they are rather close by but differ from their cooldown.

Still, if someone finds some explanations for the data , we are more than glad to update our code to reflect that.

Dots · 08/12/12, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by Berthold

Regarding BT crit, as far as I can tell from the code, it is working as it should be. Maybe somebody else will take a second look at it.

My bad, it is actually correct. Running 50k iterations with Recklessness and Windsong disabled reveals that all crit rates are as they should be. Sorry.

epurator · 08/12/12, 11:51 AM

Any recent Simulation on Arms (if the Taste of blood issue is fixed, I mean the Heroic strike damage with stack) ?

Xav · 08/13/12, 2:34 AM

Second Wind on Amber Shaper is amusing, I'm thinking of how cute it could be to load up on pure survival and to make your little amber guy impossible to kill, just to really screw with your guildies.

So, I've been meaning to ask other warriors. Is it just me, or is it more difficult to get Heroic Leap to work in certain situations randomly? A couple times now I've clicked quickly and then again (target->leap with almost time looking for the reticle location) and get a "out of range" error, I feel like it's a range I've been comfortable with in the past, and shouldn't be failing.

Am I hallucinating, or does the Heroic Leap redesign just feel a little bit more restrictive in some situations (but certainly better about going up hills, now!)?