Mists of Pandaria: All Specs - Page 17

Pigfat · 09/04/12, 1:35 PM

Wouldn't the best way to maximize DPS be to be TG for the fight and then go SMF for the execute phase?

Fearnot · 09/04/12, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by Pigfat

Wouldn't the best way to maximize DPS be to be TG for the fight and then go SMF for the execute phase?

Doubtful. They said they were adding an ICD on the benefit of SMF. Meaning you wouldn't gain the +% damage until a certain amount of time passes after the weapon swap.

kimicate · 09/04/12, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ntrash

Quick guestion. Simcraft says that crit is way better than strength at the moment. If thats so then gemming to crit seems the obvious answer for TG and SMF. Any thoughts?

The fact here, i think, its trying to maintain the ENRAGE uptime close to 100% (-kind of impossible), bcuz the benefit of 10% inc damage, and considerin the TG build, can overcome the str loss.

Originally Posted by Fearnot

Doubtful. They said they were adding an ICD on the benefit of SMF. Meaning you wouldn't gain the +% damage until a certain amount of time passes after the weapon swap.

Till dat, keep a pair of 1hands...

Fearnot · 09/04/12, 7:05 PM

Originally Posted by kimicate

Till dat, keep a pair of 1hands...

Double checked, it's on live servers. They gave us the same 30 second ICD that frost has.

Ntrash · 09/05/12, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by kimicate

The fact here, i think, its trying to maintain the ENRAGE uptime close to 100% (-kind of impossible), bcuz the benefit of 10% inc damage, and considerin the TG build, can overcome the str loss.

Till dat, keep a pair of 1hands...

Maintaining 100% is indeed not possible at the moment, but still more crit means more enrage uptime and more raging blows. So as far as im concerned reggeming into crit seems the most viable option. Would love it if someone has the time to keep some logs and shows us the difference between strength and critical on live servers.

Slambo · 09/06/12, 2:20 AM

Originally Posted by Ntrash

Maintaining 100% is indeed not possible at the moment, but still more crit means more enrage uptime and more raging blows. So as far as im concerned reggeming into crit seems the most viable option. Would love it if someone has the time to keep some logs and shows us the difference between strength and critical on live servers.

on 25H Ultraxion tonight I tried TG with Crit gems, the other warrior was SMF with Strength gems. He had ~50% uptime on his enrage buff, where as mine was ~90%. I did 10k more dps even though I messed up my execute phase pretty bad.
(As far as skill goes, I'd say we're about evenly matched. If anything he's better than me at fury.)

Does anyone know if the consistent raid damage on Ultraxion makes Berserker Stance better than Battle Stance?

Thalzok · 09/06/12, 3:21 AM

Originally Posted by Slambo

on 25H Ultraxion tonight I tried TG with Crit gems, the other warrior was SMF with Strength gems. He had ~50% uptime on his enrage buff, where as mine was ~90%. I did 10k more dps even though I messed up my execute phase pretty bad.
(As far as skill goes, I'd say we're about evenly matched. If anything he's better than me at fury.)

Does anyone know if the consistent raid damage on Ultraxion makes Berserker Stance better than Battle Stance?

With the 35% nerf Beserker Stance would be a far worse choice than Battle stance. The rage generation is far better in Battle stance.

Ixistillixi · 09/06/12, 3:25 AM

Ok so here is my log from Ultraxion fight:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

My gear is focused on crit instead of str(you can check armory). Using 397 belt and ring + rotting skull instead of EoU 416. Around 85% enrage uptime.

And here is my log where I was using str gems in full t13 hc bis gear. 46% enrage uptime.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Ntrash · 09/06/12, 4:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ixistillixi

Ok so here is my log from Ultraxion fight:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

My gear is focused on crit instead of str(you can check armory). Using 397 belt and ring + rotting skull instead of EoU 416. Around 85% enrage uptime.

And here is my log where I was using str gems in full t13 hc bis gear. 46% enrage uptime.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

A big thank you for your contribution, really helped. Im still intersting in what will happen with some bad rng so i guess i will have to try it by myself and see.

kimicate · 09/06/12, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Ntrash

Im still intersting in what will happen with some bad rng so i guess i will have to try it by myself and see.

IF, its correct, with a 85% enrage uptime, a bad rng its hard to occur (like BT>WS>WS>BT).

I hadnt thought on perform this higher uptime, actually, i believe, this will change a bit on our rotation, and at the end, we need to think (and calc) IF that higher crit isnt useless, bcuz BT has double chance on crits. T14 P4 + Glyph of Recklessness....

Its a good inc on our dps.

More tests required.

Reaver18 · 09/06/12, 2:52 PM

so in my opinion i think warry is at the moment really really bad in making dmg because you need high crit rating to get enrage uptime and to get more Raging blow proccs. And the big think is to make dmg in cata you had no big DPS CDs like Skullbanner and/or Avatar. With no DPS CDs you had no chance in the raids at the moment to make top DPS.

At the end i had an qestion.

So is it really right to go to 7,5% hit cap with fury ?
And is it at the moment right to get so much crit if it is possible ?

Thanks for answers

Thalzok · 09/06/12, 8:09 PM

Kdw/Slambo do you have logs of your full crit build 25H ultraxion?

Slambo · 09/07/12, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Thalzok

Kdw/Slambo do you have logs of your full crit build 25H ultraxion?

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Keep in mind that I was having some UI issues and completely messed up my CDs during Execute phase, so my dps should have been significantly higher.

Glurak · 09/07/12, 3:30 AM

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

LFR raid

Crit/str gem mixed warrior for details see amory Glurak Frostwolf link on the left

Btw one question Is Gurthalak in the Offhand now BiS. Someone in my Guild says it will now Procc in the Off Hand much more than before.

Berthold · 09/07/12, 9:21 AM

Hi all,

some news from simcraft regarding Protection Warriors: We got you covered. The spec is now fully operational and awaiting your merciless review and will be included in the next release:

Shield Barrier (with rage >=60): Simulationcraft Results
Shield Block: Simulationcraft Results

Both runs have a tank getting healed by a holy priest and attacked by a boss with 260k melee strikes and frequent spell casts for 6k.
It would be great if you report odd buff uptimes/spell usage counts/ dpet order of spells (do not take a too close look at absolute values as vengeance is a little bit.. annoying).

Assuming that the model is working correctly, we see expected results for defensive stats (mastery>parry>dodge), but really low gains from hit-capping and exp-capping. The latter could be either due to bugs or the fact that the T14H gear set gives more than enough rage (RPS=6.6, i.e., 59.4 rage every 9 seconds) to use Shield Block on CD—additional rage can't be converted to more defense :-/

Looking forward to your comments