Mists of Pandaria: All Specs - Page 18

plopinou · 09/07/12, 9:56 AM

Thank you very much, that's exactly what I was searching on the net, some info on the tank warrior.
But how can we see the avoidance stats ?
Also, the healer is only doing 20k hps when the fluffy pillow is doing 60k+ dps, how is that possible ?

Reaver18 · 09/07/12, 10:12 AM

How much dps did you make on an dummy till the warris Glurak and Ixistillixi with the Crit build ?

Malevolencia · 09/07/12, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Berthold

Hi all,

some news from simcraft regarding Protection Warriors: We got you covered. The spec is now fully operational and awaiting your merciless review and will be included in the next release:

Shield Barrier (with rage >=60): Simulationcraft Results
Shield Block: Simulationcraft Results

Both runs have a tank getting healed by a holy priest and attacked by a boss with 260k melee strikes and frequent spell casts for 6k.
It would be great if you report odd buff uptimes/spell usage counts/ dpet order of spells (do not take a too close look at absolute values as vengeance is a little bit.. annoying).

Assuming that the model is working correctly, we see expected results for defensive stats (mastery>parry>dodge), but really low gains from hit-capping and exp-capping. The latter could be either due to bugs or the fact that the T14H gear set gives more than enough rage (RPS=6.6, i.e., 59.4 rage every 9 seconds) to use Shield Block on CD—additional rage can't be converted to more defense :-/

Looking forward to your comments

I'm no expert on the sim aspects so I'm just going to chip in based on what you said at the end...

The additional rage can be converted to more defence, by using shield barrier while still maintaining that you have enough to shield block on cooldown (so I guess only when you're nearing 100 rage and will be able to land enough revenge/shield slams before the next time shield block is up to reach 60 rage again..).

Also as I understand it, shield barrier scaling is entirely linear from 20rage to 60rage consumed, so there's no need to only use it when >=60 rage, you can use it even if you have 20 rage if the buff from last using it has already fallen off. This may have no effect on the sims overall results, but would likely make damage intake slightly less spikey?

Is that figure for the estimated RPS of the T14H gear based on not having reforged away any of the hit/expertise or taking the base values of them into account?

Glurak · 09/07/12, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Reaver18

How much dps did you make on an dummy till the warris Glurak and Ixistillixi with the Crit build ?

on a lvl 85 dummy 38-41k Dps without buffs except battleshout

Ixistillixi · 09/07/12, 1:22 PM

I am at +/- 44k dps on dummy (85lvl) selfbuffed. But RNG have big impact here so I am doing always atleast around 30mln dmg.

Reaver18 · 09/07/12, 1:57 PM

so less ? i make 49 till 50k constantly with gurta hc and hc axe from yor with 27% crit on an dummy not boss

Glurak · 09/07/12, 6:46 PM

i have done a 6 Minutes Test and Yes RNG with a Enrage Procc is an extreme impact

Berthold · 09/08/12, 4:01 AM

plopinou, the hps/ dtps difference is a bug as the boss is also meleeing the healing target(hitting for ~50kdps). Should be fixed soon-ish. Thanks for the comment.

malevolencia, I am only using 60 rage Shield Barriers to get more consistent shield values (for debugging purposes). Otherwise no one could tell how strong the Barrier should be as we do not report the rage used for each SB :-)

Using shield barrier to convert additional rage to more defence is indeed the obvious choice. Maybe I should not post after sleeping only few hours :-) I will update the post after testing Shield Barrier + Block a little bit more.

Ronninn · 09/08/12, 12:08 PM

That crit build of yours Ix made a huge difference even just on the target dumby for me. On average I was 8k higher every attempt and I tested each attempt for about 5 minutes. The rotation was easier to manage as there was no dead spots at all.

My guildies are going to help me get Herioc Vessel, and hopefully it drops today as it's close to 500 crit once it's stacked.

Does anyone have an idea if it's better to swap out H Gurth for either the mace of the axe for the extra crit since crit seems to sim at nearly double the value of strength?

Ixistillixi · 09/08/12, 12:53 PM

Its not worth it. Since MH weapon dmg is beating everything. Gurth HC is 416 ilvl where ESS is 410. 6 ilvls of dmg is pretty huge. When I was using double ESS my dps was lower then GurthHC +ESS.

Reaver18 · 09/08/12, 1:13 PM

gurta hc and axe are at the moment bis i think.
also the trinket from ragi hc is bis

cuppicake · 09/08/12, 1:14 PM

Hi guys,

I've browsed through this thread and quite a few others, so it's very possible that I missed these answers elsewhere, but I'm curious about the Enrage mechanic.

When is enrage damage calculated? At the key-press of BT/CS? Meaning those attacks benefit from increased damage? Or is it at .01 past the critical strike registration?

How is enrage damage calculated? Is it additive on top of other DPS cooldowns, for example, Berserker Rage? Meaning 10% from BR + X% from enrage? Is the increase in damage to the final calculated value or to the tooltip base damage of abilities?

I also have a question about rotation--I've noticed that there's a brief delay for the activation of Raging Blow after a CS or BT crit (I don't see this same delay occurring when activating Berserker Rage), leading to a short gap of ~.5s. If I have Wild Strike active at the same time, is there any math to support using 1 charge of that in the brief gap since the GCD is reduced?

Slambo · 09/08/12, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by cuppicake

Hi guys,

I've browsed through this thread and quite a few others, so it's very possible that I missed these answers elsewhere, but I'm curious about the Enrage mechanic.

When is enrage damage calculated? At the key-press of BT/CS? Meaning those attacks benefit from increased damage? Or is it at .01 past the critical strike registration?

How is enrage damage calculated? Is it additive on top of other DPS cooldowns, for example, Berserker Rage? Meaning 10% from BR + X% from enrage? Is the increase in damage to the final calculated value or to the tooltip base damage of abilities?

I also have a question about rotation--I've noticed that there's a brief delay for the activation of Raging Blow after a CS or BT crit (I don't see this same delay occurring when activating Berserker Rage), leading to a short gap of ~.5s. If I have Wild Strike active at the same time, is there any math to support using 1 charge of that in the brief gap since the GCD is reduced?

I think it's safe to assume that the initial BT/CS crit is not affected by the damage increase from Enrage. Also berserker rage does not give it's own 10% damage buff, Berserker Rage makes you immune to fear, sap, etc. and gives you a seperate Enrage buff (the same one you get from BT/CS crits) which is where the increased damage and 10 rage come from.

cuppicake · 09/08/12, 11:15 PM

Sorry, brainfart, I was thinking of Arms with Enrage.

What I should have asked within that post was the specifics of the interaction between SMF and Enrage.

Dots · 09/09/12, 6:51 PM

Originally Posted by Berthold

malevolencia, I am only using 60 rage Shield Barriers to get more consistent shield values (for debugging purposes). Otherwise no one could tell how strong the Barrier should be as we do not report the rage used for each SB :-)

That makes sense. Using it ASAP may yield a better overall result though. The shield only lasts 6 seconds, so there is a chance that part of it will be wasted. That is less likely to happen if you just use Shield Barrier whenever possible. Probably not a huge difference, but worth looking at.