Hi Diwata, I've been lurking on the Elitist Jerks forums for quite some time now, and I love the theorycrafting that goes on here. I'd like to ask a few questions regarding the arms warrior sim.

First I noticed the sample sequence (which I'm not sure if that was the ACTUAL DPS sequence used in the actual results), but I noticed mortal strike came before colossus smash on it (5 7 9 A B F G). Shouldn't the sim be setup to do G F? I notice that it seems to be pretty consistent through the sample sequence. I was always under the impression that CS has the most priority if it's not already up.

Also, just a question of berserker rage in general. Should it be used at the start anyway, or wait to do CS and MS to see if you get it, and if you don't get enrage, then you pop it? Or just whenever it's off CD regardless if your next attacks are gonna be a CS and MS. And what about smoothing rage income?

A question about heroic leap as well. Would it be best to use that when both heroic throw and impending victory are on CD, or in between GCDs right after a colossus smash? I also don't see it much at all on the time spent pie graph, even though I see it on the sample sequence.

How about slam? I was under the impression you use that whenever you have the rage for it and everything else is on CD. I always thought impending victory and heroic throw were last ditch efforts if you had <=10 rage.

One last question and it's about battle shout. Why <70 rage? I tend to use battle shout when both impending victory and heroic throw are on CD and I have no rage left for a slam - or if the buff is about to drop.

I'm sorry if these questions have been asked before, unfortunately I don't have much time to skim through 25 pages. . I'm hoping someone could provide me with insight, or if the questions I've asked have been already answered with simming.

I'm also not claiming that the way I DPS is set in stone, either. I realize there's gotta be a whole lot of iterations to average out the results. That's why I'm asking these questions.

EDIT: I answered my own questions by simming my own action priority list, and then trying out the sim's default action priority list. I get about a 3k DPS increase with the default over my own. I also get about 2-5k more DPS in the real game using the same set of rules (so far), but I have one last question which I couldn't figure out how to do on the sim. What about opening up with charge, or a pre-combat shout?

As has been mentioned, it depends entirely on the fight length:

5:00 fight: Reck + banner on pull, reck + banner execute range

5:30-6:00 fight: Reck + banner on pull, reck around 2:30 (covering a CS window), reck + banner execute range (around 5:00 to line up with bloodbath)

6:20+ fight: Reck + banner on pull, reck + banner 3:00, reck + banner 6:00

8:30: Reck + banner on pull, reck + banner 3:00, reck 5:30, reck+banner 8:00

So basic rule, fit as many recks and banners into a fight as possible while trying to overlap them with each other and other CDs as much as possible.

One reason is fight length. His is 1:45 shorter, so higher proportional uptime of CDs, notably heroism, pots and (if you didn't have 4pc) reck + banner.

His raid only had to kill one wave of fragments compared to your two, though if anything that should favour you as warriors are comparatively strong on those - you can see his dps spike substantially whereas yours doesn't when the fragments spawn which points to weakness in your aoe rotation. You only hit 1 fragment with heroic leap for instance. Edit: though if you're SMF which you appear to be, then that's somewhat understandable.

You didn't stack your last recklessness with execute range, and you could have fit one more recklessness in overall if you hadn't left such a big gap between your second and third recks.

The heroism timing coincided with his execute range but not yours, allowing him to fill a higher proportion of gcds in execute range with execute (your execute ranged lasted a lot longer so you did more total executes, but also had more non-execute gcds).

Your opener was comparatively weak - you popped everything on the pull, but then you did CS -> Dragon Roar, which is a waste of a CS gcd as Dragon Roar bypasses all armor anyway. The ideal opener has your Dragon Roar buffed by bloodbath and skullbanner and enrage, but not reck or CS, so that you don't waste a reck+CS gcd on an ability that gets no benefit from them. You also did no heroic strikes during your first, most heavily buffed colossus smash window - if you charge, BT, skull banner + bb + dragon roar and then pop everything else (including deadly calm) you should be able to fit 2-3 heroic strikes in that first CS window.

You only heroic leaped 3 times compared to his 11. Edit: as you're smf and heroic leap scales with AP rather than weapon damage it's even more important for you to be maximising the number of heroic leaps you do.

You're heroic striking a lot outside of CS windows and not that much during them, which suggests you're not pooling rage for CS as well as you could. Remember that abilities hit approximately 40% harder during CS window than outside it. Likewise 30 rage spent on a non-procced wild strike outside a CS window would be better spent on a heroic strike during the CS window as long as you're not going to cap rage by not spending that 30 rage. Edit: actually, for SMF I'm not certain that's true - it is for TG definitely - you should probably check that for yourself.

You only heroic throwed twice and battle shouted 4 times, suggesting again that you're not trying to build rage for CS duration as well as you could - better to heroic throw and battleshout outside of CS windows than spend 30 rage on a non-proc wild strike, as that'll allow you to do nearly two heroic strikes during CS window, each of which will have much better damage and damage per rage than that non-proc wild strike (edit: again, at least for TG - the general principle of using shout and heroic throw more stands regardless).

You only berserker raged 9 times compared to his 13, meaning you're missing out on raging blows, rage and enrage uptime.

Think that's the main points.

Wow, thanks a lot, that's an exhaustive answer. Loads to improve

I was wondering whether to get the new trink from the new dailies.

I currently use Relic of Xuen and the CCCC trinks.

I don't have access to any heroic raiding trinks and I don't expect to anytime soon either :/

Thanks, I was under the impression that Lei Shen's Final Orders was bad until the heroic version, I do have access to the normal version, but probably not until after the holidays now.

Apologies, I thought my armoury would of been connected to my profile, will see if I can set it up now.

Woah, you have pretty sweet gear there. Here's a link I'd recommend - Collision has simmed all the trinkets and these are the results: Fury of Pandaria: PvE Fury in MoP - Forums - World of Warcraft.

For instance, I bought the 5.1 trinket and am using it paired up with Relic of Xuen, since Lei Shen's never dropped for me. It's handy, having followed the advice of guys from here I pair it up with BB and DR, which produces a nice damage output.

What "use_off_gcd=1" means?

What is better [Starshatter] or [Shin'ka, Execution of Dominion] with addition socket from Eye in OH?

P.S. Sorry for bad language.

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Hi. I was just wondering if any1 of u guys got some compilation of trinkets ? im bis geared and im wondering what trinkets are bis. Is it the Lei She + relic of xuen or lei she + darkmist ? Can any1 of u help ?

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Best regards

For titangrip offhand. [Shin'ka, Execution of Dominion] with socket and prismatic is better than heroic Starshatter based on simcraft. Again this is for offhand only.

My gut inclination is that the normal version Sha-touched in the offhand would be better, but really you'd need to sim it for yourself.