Mists of Pandaria: All Specs - Page 27

Bladekeep · 01/21/13, 12:05 PM

Hello everyone! Really appreciate reading everyone's awesome feedback, seeing as I recently got to go back to my warrior as my main. I just had a couple questions for you all and to double check some stuff.

On pulls, is it best to banner then Dragon's Roar then Reck CS > BT > RB > HS (with Deadly calm) or should I just Reck + Banner DR then do the other stuff?

Also just wanted to double check the post I read about when I finally acquire 4 piece. It is best to line reck + banner up when possible, even though it means delaying reck by 30 secs?

Also how do you guys feel about Arms vs SMF vs TG in 5.2? I've read and simmed some different stuff. Just wanted some more opinions.

Thanks!

Qyzz · 01/22/13, 5:23 AM

Best open in fury is :

BT ->( if not crit use rage berserker )-> skull banner ( and other things like orc racial or engineering use etc ) -> DR -> Reck -> CS ( if not crit use rage berserker ) -> RB -> HS*4 (hard but possible ) -> RB -> BT and so. Think to use heroic leap during the debuff cs.

Feel free to ask me for any questions

Voxxel · 01/24/13, 5:43 PM

Could someone explain please why does most of the people prefer the 1-handers, even if they're lower in ilvl than their 2H weapons?

My example: I have 2 sets of weapons,

My 1-hander set is: [Kilrak, Jaws of Terror] (496) + [Elegion, the Fanged Crescent] (489)
My 2-hander set is: [Starshatter] (502) + [Shin'ka, Execution of Dominion] (496)

Does the 1H set above still outperform the 2H in pve fury, even if it has lower level pieces? And if so, why? On top of that, the 2H set also has a huge pile of Crit, that missing from the 1H weapons..

Qyzz · 01/25/13, 5:17 AM

In your case use your 1h weaps on one-target fight and you 2h weaps on aoe fight.

Concerning smf preference over tg, imo it's due to :

- rage generation is more predictible in smf than tg. So rage management is a bit more easy.

Moophisto · 01/25/13, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Qyzz

In your case use your 1h weaps on one-target fight and you 2h weaps on aoe fight.

Concerning smf preference over tg, imo it's due to :

- rage generation is more predictible in smf than tg. So rage management is a bit more easy.

Not at all. They're both equally predictable - TF rage gen is just going to come in more spaced out but otherwise larger chunks than SMF. Rage gen is normalized, so over the course of time the rage generation will be identical.

SMF outperforms TG at the moment primarily due to Execute. Though they changed most of our other attacks to be based on weapon damage, execute's damage is not at all affected by weapon damage. Thus, SMF's executes hit nearly 35 percent harder than TG's (35 percent SMF modifier - the fairly negligble str, relevant secondaries you gain from two handers). And, given execute is a large percentage of our damage, this makes quite the difference.

Qyzz · 01/26/13, 3:21 PM

TF rage gen is just going to come in more spaced out but otherwise larger chunks than SMF

Lol, exactly what i said, rage gen is more regular than tg so more easy to prepare cs phase

Agree with smf execute > tg execute

Bladekeep · 01/28/13, 10:46 AM

What is the best way to macro in the Skullrender Medallion from Dominance Offensive? Any suggestions?

Serivola · 01/28/13, 11:16 AM

Bloodbath together with Deadly Calm is your best choice. If you are really lazy you can also combine all those with CS but that's not always optimal (execute phases shorter than one minute or encounter specific mechanics like damage amplifying phases will cause problems).

Bladekeep · 01/31/13, 10:36 PM

Is the Darkmist Vortex trinket off Heroic Lei Shei going to be any good after the haste change in 5.2?

Kuwadora · 02/01/13, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by Moophisto

Not at all. They're both equally predictable - TF rage gen is just going to come in more spaced out but otherwise larger chunks than SMF. Rage gen is normalized, so over the course of time the rage generation will be identical.

SMF outperforms TG at the moment primarily due to Execute. Though they changed most of our other attacks to be based on weapon damage, execute's damage is not at all affected by weapon damage. Thus, SMF's executes hit nearly 35 percent harder than TG's (35 percent SMF modifier - the fairly negligble str, relevant secondaries you gain from two handers). And, given execute is a large percentage of our damage, this makes quite the difference.

Given this difference, would it be worthwhile to have a pair each of 1 and 2 handers, and swap from TG to SMF at execute range?

TerellinMisha · 02/01/13, 5:08 PM

I could be wrong, but if warriors work the same way DK's do, there's a 30 second cooldown on the weapon benefit that would make swapping weapons impractical in combat.

Kuwadora · 02/01/13, 5:14 PM

There is indeed, thanks for pointing it out to me.

IBNKALB · 02/03/13, 2:08 AM

I apologize for my last post and will be checking here for any answers I may need.

Berthold · 02/05/13, 8:10 AM

Hi all,

next simcraft release has support for the latest PTR Changes. Arms Warrior looks as exciting as always (~105k dps): Still too much things to do in too short time span. We have MS -> OP->OP-> X and X is 50% CS, and the rest is split between Execute/Slam etc.

Apart from number changes, they have several options to make the rotation more exciting and take care of the bad scaling.

reduce the OP GCD to 1 sec, this would give us ~120k dps, i.e., a solid spot in the middle and additionally make us use some more of our buttons.
Another option would be the fury route: Let MS (aka BT) only proc 1 OP (aka RB) and make it hit double as hard.
They could remove the boring mastery and change it to a slghtly less boring mastery that empowers the deep wounds dot which also (for ARMS only) scales double with haste and crit.
SD procs could increase the duration of the next CS debuff instead of resetting it reducing the number of times we need to press CS.

There a lot of options, they just have to pick one that fits their idea of arms and does not totally ruin Arms for PvP: I would assume none of the above would nerf the warrior, and 1) should be okay-ish as a burst phase, but this depends on the numbers.

Does somebody else have some interesting ideas? I might even implement them for testing in simcraft if they are too hard to estimate with napkin math.

Bladekeep · 02/06/13, 2:06 AM

So arms is looking pretty decent then huh?