Got a 2nd Gurthalak ( 403 / 390 ) did 4 tests on raid dummy unbuffed no cds, also 2pct13
each test was 7mins
13procs -------1.36mil
9 procs --------1mil
10procs--------1mil
15procs--------1.68mil
Avg procs 11.75 Avg dps for 2weapons 3000

Ill try to get an lfr in, I think it will proc more with more rage......
non crit-12270 10870
crit------19000 16800



2 SWORDS LFR TEST
http://i43.tinypic.com/dm7frn.png

Not to break topics, but I was wondering about the update on MMOchamp thread, and saw something that I can't fully understand, came here for help.

Near the bottom, there is information regarding Mastery vs Hit dps, can anyone explain how mastery seems to be higher ranked in terms of DPS per point when over hit cap?

From my understanding, the basic idea is that Hit > mastery because since white damage is our #1 damage ability, that landing those blows would lead to a much higher dps throughput than specials. Sure I am guarenteed to hit the specials, but I tried doing some odd reforging, and when I tried a mastery heavy rotation and reforge, dps dropped significantly. I don't have my numbers on hand, but it was around the values of ~1200 dps loss. I was using a RB priority rotation for both sets as well. However I do not have 4.3 heroic gear, and only rocking a 2pc set. Not in a real progressive raid for time commitment reasons, but all the same...


I'm a bit new to theory crafting, and trying my hand at it. Explain like I'm five.

My question regarding this is, how can you tell which tentacles were triggered from main hand weapon, which are from off hand, and which attacks triggered them? There is no way to tell from those pictures if a Bloodthirst (main hand special attack) triggered the off-hand Gurthalak, or if an off-hand melee triggered the main hand Gurthalak.

with haste being better then mastery, does that mean Kneebreaker Boots are BiS?

Hello,

got normal version of Gurthalak, the proc is steady around 7% regardless of mainhand/offhand.

Yes, you are right.

I saw the replies in the another topic , they said the Bt can triggle the proc on OffHand , but Slam can not . and other abilities are not drew the conclusions now.

After the I send the post , I saw and did a lots test about it , So I think Gurthalak may be a special weapon because its procs doesn't similar to the normal procs such as landslide

At last, thanks for your data.

Em1r, what means did you use to determine 7% proc chance? All the data I saw so far supports around 2% proc chance, and so does the spell info Item - Dragon Soul - Proc - Str Melee 2H Sword LFR - Spell - World of Warcraft

When landsoul made his comment it was still unclear if there is heroic version of the valor items.
At any case, it have alot to do with your guild progress. Unless you belive you are going to take ultraxion hc down anytime soon, the valor chest piece is the clear way to go.

Landsoul, I was wondering if you got to test this out much more before the ptr was taken down to figure out if it was better than the 397 1hander?

I was also wondering if having access to the 410 1handers would be higher dps than 403 Gurthalak's til my guild can get further into DS heroic? I would figure this out myself using the spreadsheet but I am getting errors when trying to open the spreadsheet for some reason.

BiS TG 57279.77 DPS Ultraxion 5m40s profile +Mastery Boost 200% BS/JC

head: T13H
neck: Necklace of Black Dragon's Teeth
shoulder: Backbreaker Spaulders H (Mstry->Hit)
back: Valor
chest: T13H (Mstry->Crit)
wrist: Rockhide Bracers H (Mstry->Hit)
hands: T13H
waist: Runescriven Demon Collar H (Mstry->Hit)
legs: T13H (Mstry->Crit)
feet: Treads of Cursed Flesh H (Mstry->Hit)
r1: Breathstealer Band H (Mstry->Hit)
r2: Curled Twilight Claw (Mstry->Exp)
t1: Eye of Unmaking
t2: Creche of the Final Dragon
MH: Gurthalak H
OH: Cudgel of the Warmaster H (Haste->Hit)
th: Valor (Exp->Hit)

Stat	SEP	DPS
STR	1.0000	4.0603
Mstry	0.4282	1.7387
Crit	0.8757	3.5557
Haste	0.6918	2.8091
Hit	0.8762	3.5578
Exp	0.8463	3.4365

BiS SMF 56159.92 DPS Ultraxion 5m40s profile +Mastery Boost 200% BS/JC

head: T13H
neck: Necklace of Black Dragon's Teeth
shoulder: Backbreaker Spaulders H (Mstry->Hit)
back: Valor
chest: T13H (Mstry->Crit)
wrist: Rockhide Bracers H (Mstry->Hit)
hands: T13H
waist: Runescriven Demon Collar H (Mstry->Crit)
legs: T13H (Mstry->Crit)
feet: Treads of Cursed Flesh H (Mstry->Hit)
r1: Breathstealer Band H (Mstry->Crit)
r2: Curled Twilight Claw (Mstry->Exp)
t1: Eye of Unmaking
t2: Creche of the Final Dragon
MH: No'Kaled H
OH: Hand of Morchock H (Mstry->Hit)
th: Valor (Exp->Hit)

Stat	SEP	DPS
STR	1.0000	4.7070
Mstry	0.3479	1.6375
Crit	0.7422	3.4936
Haste	0.5968	2.8093
Hit	0.7185	3.3818
Exp	0.7206	3.3917
AGI	0.5653	2.6608

Because proc based weapons have a greatly reduced effect in the OH. Since you hit less with the OH (most special abilities only hit with the MH), they proc less, just look at the uptimes of your MH Landslide enchant and compared them to your OH uptimes.

I'm curious why Nok'aled is BiS for the MH though. Souldrinker seems vastly superior having 249 STR and over twice the proc rate for about 3k damage (~165k HP in BiS gear) and with no ICD. Also, with the change to Avalanche, I don't think Nok'aled's effect procs Deep Wounds anymore.

Both Souldrinker and Nok'aled are missing from the spreadsheet apparently so I can't check this myself.