It's not too surprising that set bonus makes IV weak. No doubt some comes from the rage cost but I would bet a lot comes from the fact that (assuming a set proc every 30 seconds on average) you'll only get to use it in the normal way about 1/min as opposed to the 2/min it gets now (very rough math) since using it with a proc puts it back on 30 sec. cooldown (at least, it does when used after an actual kill).

In order to make SB extension on avoid practical they would basically have to force it to only extend once per cast (by limiting or ICD). Two extensions brings it to 100% uptime if you can avoid twice which I think is unacceptable for them. Any limiter that makes 2 extensions reasonably possible with 1 mob becomes too easy to hit with ~3 mobs. You can get around that with charges, but then it falls off badly on groups of mobs larger than the size the charges are balanced for (which is probably bad intuitively since block is historically strongest against large packs). Of course, a single swing extension on SB would be pretty huge and easily enough to make it the preferred option against melee.
That does make it possible to chain SB for 45 seconds if you're getting swung at enough to avoid in a 6s window every time. You would need 6.4 rage/sec if you got to pool up before the clock started.

@Spazzter: Because you would need 12 seconds without using shield block to be recharged enough to chain it for 24 seconds again you would still have some little gaps surrounding demo shout.

So you sacrificed all of those amazing stats for ~7% avoidance? How do you even notice a difference other than not being able to optimally use your active mitigation?

Hi All,

I'm not sure if this question is approrpriate to post here so moderators, feel free to delete and reprimand.

I'm wondering what sequence/abilities/talents/little furry rabbit feet - that other warrior tanks are using to pick up multiple adds spawning at multiple times...being dps'd with no regard for threat - Such as happens at the doors in Horridon.

The other fight that comes to mind where this might be a problem would be Tortos and the bats or (old content) Elegon ghosts (that said, most dps had a REALLY good excuse for not dpsing them until the tank had threat....namely...they'd get their face smacked in).

Obviously this question arises after I repeatedly had trouble on my 2 doors this evening and even though he's down....it was sketchy.

Help is appreciated!

I used to call our third tank.
The whirling and keg throwing Brewmaster made Horridon very easy for our 25 man raid.

I think your raid has to move and position a bit better, so you don't have to run between the adds.

Elegon: throw your Taunting Banner near the console, after all towers are destroyed.

Since 5.2 I've been getting the consistent result in simcraft that mastery is not only eclipsing dodge/parry but also hit/expertise in terms of avoidance. Can anybody else confirm this?

Looks *very* slightly ahead if use SBlock / SBarrier. (due to the SBarrier Nerf, additional hit/expertise isn't too valuable here)
However with a SBarrier only build it is way down below.

How is the new shield slam change gonna pan out?

MMO-Champion - Patch 5.3 PTR - Build 16837, Patch 5.3 PTR Notes - April 11 Update

Buff or not?

This might just be the tooltip correction for the 25% damage buff hotfix that is already live.
GC mentioned on twitter that Shield Slam damage will be reduced at lower levels in 5.3, which would explain the other part.

Will simulationcraft soon include prot warriors in its simulationcraft.org reference data? I am having a lot of difficulty getting the current version to run, whereas 430-4 was running fine when I last used it. Tried installing every version of VC++ 2008, 2010, 2012, x86 and 64, openssl 101c and 101e, no luck. Clicking simulationcraft.exe doesn't do anything; program appears in tasklist for a few seconds and then disappears.

As long as we do not have properly working modules for all tank classes, I wouldn't expect any update on simcraft.org in this regard. You might want to create an issue at simcraft's website, this EJ thread isn't really the appropriate place to handle this.

Shield Barrier only will give you less total damage taken, Shield Block only will give you smoother damage intake. Hybrid strats aren't better, other than things that are not blockable or not absorbable.