DPS Compendium - Page 10

Overcome · 03/13/08, 1:07 PM

I was taking into account the knowledge that crit does 2x damage. I was trying to show that when you get 1% crit you also get 0.90% haste as an added bonus.

Until you reach 100% flurry uptime the hastening rules off crit would always apply, they would just apply to a lesser degree.

Basically since you take 99.1% of the time to execute all your hits with 1 crit (which is basically 1 free hit) its like you hit 1.90 more times. If you had 1% haste it would be like you hit 1.00 more times.

This is all napkin math I'm sure a graff would work better if some formula could be made up.

Shha · 03/13/08, 3:33 PM

Well yes and no, with typical raid stats, 4% crit adds you around 1% flurry uptime. So 0.22 seems more accurate. Either way, i guess i failed reading a bit and sorry for that.

LodeRunner · 03/13/08, 4:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bevz

Even just by glancing at the other sunwell items, im almost positive warriors are going to be hitting the Arp, Expertise and Hit caps and be sitting on a 40%+ crit value with easily over 2k attack power as either fury or arms specs. Thats not even raid buffed.

Maybe this is just poorly worded on your part but what do you mean by "hitting the Arp cap"? You think Warriors are going to start hitting 2k armor pen passively considering the itemization is shifting towards slotted items with +haste? I really really like Armor Pen, but with Executioner I don't think I go past 1500 at most (I'm trying to remember the stats of my gear while at work). Frankly I always wanted to get to a point in Armor Pen where Executioner was no longer needed, but I doubt that will be possible. I'm going to lose 350 armor pen if I upgrade the Gurtogg pants to the Felmyst pants that clearly have a more heaping pile of stats, and 3 sockets!
I just don't see it happening.

Bloodvenom · 03/13/08, 6:58 PM

I have a Syphon, Rising Tide, and Rod of the Sun King, which would be the best MH/OH combination for maximum PVE dps output?

This is of course with the 17/44 Setup

Hidden · 03/13/08, 7:09 PM

Originally Posted by Bloodvenom

I have a Syphon, Rising Tide, and Rod of the Sun King, which would be the best MH/OH combination for maximum PVE dps output?

This is of course with the 17/44 Setup

Rod of the Sun King/Rising Tide probably.

Bloodvenom · 03/13/08, 7:11 PM

Any real reason behind that combination? I have tried the spreadsheets on the EJ posts and the numbers are always inconclusive to make any real decision.

Bevz · 03/13/08, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by LodeRunner

Maybe this is just poorly worded on your part but what do you mean by "hitting the Arp cap"? You think Warriors are going to start hitting 2k armor pen passively considering the itemization is shifting towards slotted items with +haste? I really really like Armor Pen, but with Executioner I don't think I go past 1500 at most (I'm trying to remember the stats of my gear while at work). Frankly I always wanted to get to a point in Armor Pen where Executioner was no longer needed, but I doubt that will be possible. I'm going to lose 350 armor pen if I upgrade the Gurtogg pants to the Felmyst pants that clearly have a more heaping pile of stats, and 3 sockets!
I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, apolgoies it was bad wording. I meant the soft cap of roughly 1350 before exectioner. Im not sure if you have noticed but the Felmyst pants do come with some armour penetration albeit not as much, you would lose 126 in total but as you said gain a heap of other stats.

In regards to dropping executioner and stacking arp gear it doesnt seem practical. The only other enchant worth using would be mongoose but unlike armour penetration, the crit gained from mongoose can be gotten through other means. You really are just better gemming for crit and keeping the executioner.

Mjollnir · 03/14/08, 9:57 AM

Thinking out loud:
It would be great to add a 'Gear' sub-section to the OP. The one in the Protection Warrior thread is perfect.
Slot: 3-4 options with the ratings (best in slot and alternatives)
The only one I know offhand is: Tabard: Purple Trophy Tabard of the Illidari (best in slot)

Moogul · 03/14/08, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mjollnir

The only one I know offhand is: Tabard: Purple Trophy Tabard of the Illidari (best in slot)

No way, there's multiple tabards better than that.

If we did a gear list, it'd have to have separate setups for DW and 2H, whilst many bits are shared, some rate differently for the two types.

From what I recall off the top of my head, the best-in-slot gear (pre-2.4) for a DW Fury warrior is something like (feel free to disagree):

[Cursed Vision of Sargeras]
[Choker of Endless Nightmares]
[Onslaught Shoulderblades]
[Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape]
[Midnight Chestguard]
[Deadly Cuffs]
[Grips of Silent Justice]
[Belt of One-Hundred Deaths]
[Legguards of Endless Rage]
[Dreadboots of the Legion]
[Ancient Amani Longbow]

Plus Warglaives of course. I'll leave trinkets out of it for now, and rings too - I can't remember exactly how they rank. Of course, Solarian's Sapphire should always be the top trinket if you're in a decent group.

Mjollnir · 03/14/08, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Moogul

No way, there's multiple tabards better than that.

I knew you'd bite.
With regards to actual gear, I think for many slots it's too close to call. Cat's Edge for MS/BF, Glaives for DW are obvious due to their ilvl, but many others are so diversely itemized that depending on an individual's setup, a specific item might yield more of an upgrade than another. By the same token, a specific item would be weighted more or less by an individual for the setup that suits their spec/playstyle.
Again, the prot warrior listing is perfect- several options with point values listed.

Natural · 03/14/08, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Bloodvenom

I have a Syphon, Rising Tide, and Rod of the Sun King, which would be the best MH/OH combination for maximum PVE dps output?

This is of course with the 17/44 Setup

Rising tide & Rod.

Get the Syphon out of the raid--it eats up charges of Improved Shadowbolt.

Moogul · 03/14/08, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mjollnir

I knew you'd bite.
With regards to actual gear, I think for many slots it's too close to call. Cat's Edge for MS/BF, Glaives for DW are obvious due to their ilvl, but many others are so diversely itemized that depending on an individual's setup, a specific item might yield more of an upgrade than another. By the same token, a specific item would be weighted more or less by an individual for the setup that suits their spec/playstyle.
Again, the prot warrior listing is perfect- several options with point values listed.

Well personally, the only one I'm not sure about in the list I posted is the leg slot - the divine retribution are also very good, as are the mail ones from Azgalor if I recall correctly.

Bevz · 03/14/08, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Moogul

Well personally, the only one I'm not sure about in the list I posted is the leg slot - the divine retribution are also very good, as are the mail ones from Azgalor if I recall correctly.

Lets have an updated SUnWeLLz version please!

Hidden · 03/14/08, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Moogul

Well personally, the only one I'm not sure about in the list I posted is the leg slot - the divine retribution are also very good, as are the mail ones from Azgalor if I recall correctly.

At least when you're yellow hitcapped and have some other armor penetration, Legguards of Divine Retribution are the best in slot by far.
19 Strength, 11 Crit, 19 Hit vs 350 Armor Penetration

Moogul · 03/14/08, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by Hidden

At least when you're yellow hitcapped and have some other armor penetration, Legguards of Divine Retribution are the best in slot by far.
19 Strength, 11 Crit, 19 Hit vs 350 Armor Penetration

You're right. I'd not looked at them properly for a while, but they do seem better. That's what Endless Rage get for stacking Str so high and having extra stam, even at higher itemlevel :-/. Gah, now I need them to actually drop for us.