I agree with Tauftamir here, saying how good or otherwise a stat is is mostly based on your current gear. The other thing to note is that Haste itself isn't necessarily a bad stat however most items right now are just poorly itemized in relation to Haste. I can edit my post to make sure people realize that Haste itself isn't "bad" per se, but rather Haste items are currently poorly itemized. I won't, however, endorse Haste as a stat better to stack than crit or AP at the moment because I'm sure it will cause a lot of unwitting warriors to run around in full crafted Haste gear wondering why their dps sucks.

Noted, I'll update as soon as I get back from the movies. Will add in a section on professions when I wake up in the morning and my brain remembers how to link items via forum.

Fixed, more or less.

Thanks for all the feedback and suggestions guys, much appreciated.

Yes, once you're hitcapped, haste is better than hit.

I would however like to see the maths that suggests haste is better than crit. My napkin maths suggests you'd have to have a pretty insane amount of crit and hit for that to be the case.

It's only true if you're raid buffed and the mob is debuffed of course.
Total crit and ap having an unbuffed 32%/2000 in Battle Stance:
Crit: 32% Base + 3% Berserker Stance + 5% LotP + 1% BoK + 0.5% MotW + 3% Judgement(we have a prot paladin who has skilled 3% crit) + 0.66% offhand Sharpening Stone = 45.16% crit
AP: (2000 Base + 390 Battle Shout + 250 Rampage + 270 AP Survival Hunter + 110 Imp. Hunter's Mark + 200 SoE Totem + 110 AP Flask + 40 AP Food + 120 AP BoK) * 1.1 UR * 1.1 Imp. Berserker Stance = 4223 AP
Of course these aren't the exact stats but they should be pretty right for a 4t6 Warrior using MotB/Dragonspine Trophy and Executioner/Potency.

Elixir of Demonslaying: 265 Attack Power vs Demons. (5 minutes)

test it on archimonde and has no effect.
talk to a GM which agreed

Fel Strength Elixir: 70 Attack Power, -10 Stamina. (1 hour)
increase by 90AP not 70...

sorry 4 bad english

35% base crit in Battle Stance and 2000 AP base in Battle Stance seems a bit off even for someone in 4/5 T6. I have less than 1800 unbuffed AP in Battle Stance and my gear isn't THAT bad. If I were to aim for 2000 in Battle Stance my crit would be nowhere near 35%.

Regardless, those stats are all very nice, but it doesn't prove Haste > Crit, or even that Haste > Hit.

In addition, why use Potency?

The AP bonus will not apply vs. boss like Archimonde.
but will apply to trashmobs or other world demons

Every 17/44 warrior play with 9% hit rating ?

With 209 hit rating (and 3/3 precision) i have so much miss hits, i doesn't imagine with just 9%

Nice job Voxx its a good compendium

This seems like something that should be brought up in the bug forums as there is nothing on [Elixir of Demonslaying] that states it is not effective on mobs above a certain level. Has anyone else verified this?

That would make no sense, seeing as the Glaives have +AP vs Demons as part of their setbonus.

I'm sure it does work, however it's not added on the normal AP.

35% crit in Berserker Stance of course, you can see that I didn't add the 3% crit from Berserker Stance manually. Edited it for clarity.

The values are proven by current Warrior spreadsheets.

Potency is around 0.2 dps worse than Mongoose on static fights, as I've been switching weapons quite frequently I didn't want to spend 500g to have 0.2 dps more sometimes. For calculation of Haste it doesn't make a big difference anyway, it makes Haste even better as Mongoose may proc more often with more Haste(don't know recent results about PPM with Haste).

I honestly have a hard time seeing Haste > Crit. Haste and Hit are much closer in comparison. Hit means that one more of your attack in 100 will land. Seeing as glancing blows are already accounted for, that hit is guaranteed to do 100% damage. Haste means you'll get 101 attacks in the same time span you would normally get 100 attacks. Since it's just an additional attack and not actually a value on the Attack Table it would be subject to missing, being dodged or being a glancing blow. Also being subject to critting of course.

This would mean it has a 25% chance to do 70% damage, a 3.6% + miss, chance to do 0 damage and however much your crit chance is chance to do double damage, the leftover being a normal hit. Glancing can be equated as a 17.5% chance to deal 100% damage, and the other 7.5% making up the 25% that is glancing chance is translated as a miss.

Assuming 13% hit and 40% crit, your extra hasted attack has a 26.1% chance to be worth 0 damage. a 40% chance to be worth 2x normal damage and a 21.1% chance to be worth normal damage (100% damage). Therefore a hasted attack is worth about 101.1% of an extra hit. Can you see how closely similar these two stats are now? If 15.77 Hit Rating is worth 700 damage then 15.77 Haste Rating is worth 707.7 damage.

There are of course a few other minor factors in this, Haste for instance will ever so slightly negatively influence your Flurry uptime because you'll be making more attacks in a shorter period of time, therefore getting fewer instant attacks per Flurry cycle. Hit won't. In any case, Hit and Haste are very very similar in worth.

As for the comment of PPM and Haste, as far as I know the PPM of Mongoose is calculated based on your current weapon speed. So Haste will have no effect on Mongoose uptime (this as opposed to PPM being calculated based on base weapon speed).

That's true for you being hit by a mob, but since we're talking about outgoing damage here, 'MobLevel' should always be 70 (= the attacker's level), not 73.

Noted and fixed.

Thanks for compiling this resource, Voxx. Not only is it a great go-to thread for my own information, but any time someone levels a warrior alt in my guild, I can just point them here.

The one thing to remember about haste is that it does affect heroic spam, and I'm not sure if any spreadsheet is taking that into account. Heroic strike is pretty much the only mele ability that takes advantage of haste.

[Dragonspine Trophy] and 3/5 Flurry proc will bring a 3.5 speed weapon to about 2.5; Heroism/Bloodlust will reduce it further to around 2.0, so the Slam cycle will not be optimal for that period of time.

It may be worth noting that Elixir of the Mongoose is slightly better than Major Agility for warriors. Using the conversions of 33 agi = 1% crit and 22.08 crit rating = 1% crit:

[Elixir of Major Agility]:

[top] 35 agi + 20 crit rating

38.5 agi + 20 crit rating (with Kings)

[top] (38.5 / 33 + 20 / 22.08)

2.072% crit

[Elixir of the Mongoose]:

[top] 25 agi + 28 crit rating

27.5 agi + 28 crit rating (with Kings)

[top] (27.5 / 33 + 28 / 22.08)

2.101% crit

Added. More feedback and suggestions or editing for something I screwed up on!

Hello there,

I have the same question as Landais:

The information in this threat point to hold 9% hit with 3/3 precision. Do you guys really do that?

Very nice compendium.

I'd like to point out (since I did a lot on it) that double executioner can be equal or greater than other combinations of executioner and mongoose, but its not something to do if your gear doesnt support it.

Im not sure if you should really count 4% of all physical dps done for the warrior. I dont count damage from giving people battle shout, and I dont subtract from my damage windfury, kings, ect. I'm not saying it doesn't increase raid dps, but it just bugs me to think of it in those terms.


For the people asking about 9% and precision. Hit does lose effectiveness after 9%, but with more hit your rage generation is smoother. Missing with one or both weapons can throw off your cycle, which is something the spreadsheets cant show. How much hit you personally need is really something you need to answer yourself. If you feel like you dont have rage due to misses get more hit. Many best in slot pieces come with a decent amount of hit anyway, but in general you dont need more than you get on those pieces ie. dont gem for hit unless under 9%.

Not sure if anyone else would find it interesting, but a 0/47/14 build actually works quite nice. You get added survivability from having Last stand and Toughness (which is very nice in situations with many mobs and using WW/SS and of course in occasional pvp) and Defiance (+3 extra points in fury) makes up for a lot of the lost damage from Impale/Deep Wounds/Imp. HS. The expertise from Defiance help a lot with the rage generation as well, rage is not a problems at all despite not having UBW.

Spreadsheets give me a 5% decrease in dps from 17/44 spec. In game I couldn't really notice any change at all. I like the build a lot, I die a lot less after switching to this build and I find it better to offtank in.