DPS Compendium - Page 37

Cleah · 06/04/08, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Wump

What sheet are you using "from EJ"?

There are two. One from Landsoul which is 2.4+ and built for Fury. The other from Grim13 which is for 2.3+ and models both 2H and Fury.

Armor Pen is great, however for both builds, I can't see how being under the hit soft-cap is beneficial in any circumstance.

Sorry, I am using the Grim v3.41 sheet

Mjollnir · 06/04/08, 3:33 PM

If the 5% is indeed true (based on the spreadsheet), it is more than likely taking external de/buffs into account, such as Imp FF from a Boomkin.

Bulvine · 06/04/08, 4:15 PM

I have question regarding sharpening/weight stones and windfury. The +damage from sharpening stones stacks from everything i've read. So if I put a stone on each weapon I get +24 damage on each. Traditionally when I have windfury I won't put a stone on my main hand weapon. Now that i've read that the damage bonus stacks, should I be putting stone on my MH weapon even if I have WF?

Merple · 06/04/08, 4:16 PM

Stones and Windfury do not stack. Ever.

Voxx · 06/04/08, 11:02 PM

Stones never stack - as stated above - and Windfury is a much greater dps increase than a sharpening stone, even though it applies to both weapons.

Edit: Updated the original post to reflect 6.25% as the Expertise "cap." This is done in light of the idea that 6.25% is close enough to the cap as we can determine at the present time without grossly overshooting the cap. The only combinations that could easily overshoot this "cap" with the current itemization would be Humans/Orcs with Weapon Mastery and some additional item with Expertise (like T6 Belt).

DKP-Borgar · 06/05/08, 5:00 AM

Concerning the rage-discussion on executes. Does anybody know an addon, that shows the current rage generation in some kind of graph, as in recount for example?
I actually would like to know, how my rages behaves at certain fight stages.

Thearmenian · 06/05/08, 12:43 PM

landsoul · 06/05/08, 2:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cleah

I have the dubious honor of raiding as the MS/BF war for my guild and ran across a question. The compendium (at least it seemed to me...correct me if i'm wrong) indicates that firstly you want to aim for 142 hit (9%) if you don't have precision (which I don't, being MS/BF). However, the spreadsheet I have been tinkering with (Grim13 3.41) appears to only have me shooting for 79 (5%) as a MS/BF specced war.

I dont know how that is right, maybe you have an option selected wrong or the sheet doesnt account for you hitting a boss?

landsoul · 06/05/08, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by Voxx

Stones never stack - as stated above - and Windfury is a much greater dps increase than a sharpening stone, even though it applies to both weapons.

Edit: Updated the original post to reflect 6.25% as the Expertise "cap." This is done in light of the idea that 6.25% is close enough to the cap as we can determine at the present time without grossly overshooting the cap. The only combinations that could easily overshoot this "cap" with the current itemization would be Humans/Orcs with Weapon Mastery and some additional item with Expertise (like T6 Belt).

This should be 6.2% to reflect the mechanic of 5% + .4% per level for mob 3+ levels higher. However it is correct that this cap can only be erached with 6.25% worth of -dodge things

Wump · 06/05/08, 2:26 PM

Just curious, but has anyone thought of distilling the Fury out of this into an article for the Think Tank. The Arms article is a great read, but a complimenting Fury article would be great.

landsoul · 06/05/08, 2:50 PM

People were just contacted to start working on it.

Gruntle · 06/06/08, 3:36 AM

Originally Posted by landsoul

This should be 6.2% to reflect the mechanic of 5% + .4% per level for mob 3+ levels higher. However it is correct that this cap can only be erached with 6.25% worth of -dodge things

Where do you get the "5% + .4% per level for mob 3+ levels" mechanic from? Has anyone done detailed testing of this vs lv 71 and 72 mobs? People used to say it was 5.6 vs boss mobs, making it 5 + 0.2 per lvl difference. This has been proven wrong. Any +0.4 dodge per level mechanic needs to be tested before putting it into the compendium.

For that matter 6.2% dodge is rejected at a 95% confidence level by the statistics made of Caveins logs.

6.32% dodge with 95% confidence to be within [6.27%,6.44%]

(from my post with the statistics)
6.25% is ok, since it's gearwise the closest thing to aim for. But it's most likely not the cap.

Also, similarly to how weapon skill worked before Expertise was introduced, it could be that it's not a linear scale. Well, Expertise is for sure, but the base dodge chances could very well be something like 70 - 5%, 71 - 5.6%, 72 -6.0 %, 73 -6.4%. There is no way of knowing until people do the tests.

powersofpain · 06/07/08, 3:46 PM

Great thread. I'm unable to start a new thread so I'm posting here in hopes of getting some advice. I've only been playing WoW now for about 4 months and I've had some great help getting geared up. My biggest challenge seems to be getting a good skill rotation down and understanding the timing of what to press and when to press it.

I fairly close stats wise with some of our other fury warriors who are doing anywhere from 800+ to over 1000DPS depending on the situation but I just can't seem to consistently stay above 720+ DPS. I have had times during some Trash mob clears as well as some bosses where I've done 800+ DPS but for the most part there's a lot of time where I don't even break 700DPS overall.

I'm pretty much starting out each fight by doing a battle shout, and letting tank gain agro and then engaging the mob/boss. I first hit BT and WW(if it's safe) and continue to hit them after their cooldown. I'm hitting HS when I get more than 60 rage and if BT and WW are on cooldown I'll throw in a Rampage in there as well. I'm not really using any other skills, once in awhile I'll use a hamstring (should I even be?). Naturally at 20% of bosses I'll switch to execute and then down to 5-8% I'll pop a haste potion, bloodrage and recklessness and spam execute.

I'm just really frustrated as to why I can have close to and in some cases better stats than my peers that are doing anywhere from 100-300DPS more than me every raid. I know a big reason why is because I've been playing only 4 months where they've been playing 2-3 years but I'd greatly appreciate any advice or help. I think my timing needs advice and I think if someone could help me understand if my mechanics are wrong, etc. I can improve. I guess I'm just unsure if I should let my guy just auto attack a little more while slowing down my skill rotation or do I ALWAYS hit BT and WW(if safe) when they're available?

Thanks to anyone who can offer me some sound advice and mechanics. I'm on the US Eonar Realm if you want to check my gear.

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Ramayana · 06/07/08, 4:50 PM

You should be hitting BT and WW on every CD, Heroic Strike every time you can without missing the next BT/WW and Rampage should ideally never drop off of you. You keep refering to using abilities "when it's safe", so I;m assuming that means you are constantly riding the ass of your tanks on agro, in which case they need to get better.

Other then that, your gems look fine, your gear looks fine, your spec is fine. Your crit is a little low imo, might want to get that up a little bit, but thats about it. Are you being put in a good melee group? With at the very least a shaman giving you WF, if not that pretty much would explain you doing low DPS.

premed · 06/07/08, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ramayana

You should be hitting BT and WW on every CD, Heroic Strike every time you can without missing the next BT/WW and Rampage should ideally never drop off of you. You keep refering to using abilities "when it's safe", so I;m assuming that means you are constantly riding the ass of your tanks on agro, in which case they need to get better.

Other then that, your gems look fine, your gear looks fine, your spec is fine. Your crit is a little low imo, might want to get that up a little bit, but thats about it. Are you being put in a good melee group? With at the very least a shaman giving you WF, if not that pretty much would explain you doing low DPS.

dont forget ham string!

unless you crazy fury guys dont ham string anymore. I figured out MS was better along time ago