Jevade

"A cool thing that happens is when I equip [Dragonstrike], the SEP of haste goes down, and the SEP of all the stats that [Vengeful Gladiator's Slicer] had went up. "

Landsoul, So the highest SEP value for haste is when you are at 0?

Several weeks ago, using Grim's sheet i put in all the haste gear in the database and the SEP for haste kept going up to at least a passive value until at least 190 and passed SEP for STR at like 120.

 

Shha

Well thats an expected behavior id say. Ds adds haste (basically proc is modelled as passive ~80-90 haste depending on gear i think) so haste gets on "diminishing return".

 

• landsoul

Yeah when I put in a bunch of haste the SEP goes down with each addition.

 

• landsoul

New version available:

And to answer some of the questions that have been posted here:

Shard of contempt comes out on top as the best trinket for non -%dodge capped players, ahead of Trophy and MotB
Dragonstrike scales with gear, and is for the most part the 2nd best main hand behind Warglaive, if you can stand the stat hit. This is true for most levels of passive haste.

Crit and Haste SEP does not pass STR until around 5500 average attack power.

 

Machinator

Im curious where you derived your flurry uptime from, its different from others Ive seen. It looks almost backwards from the one in Grim's.

"Information is ammunition."

 

• landsoul

removed due to outdatedness

 

Calion

Thanks for taking the time to make the spreadsheet, been playing around with it, checking out the gear available for me, it's been useful, all I've had to use before was maxdps.
I know it's rather new, and still incomplete, but I've come across a few things:
[Mithril Chain of Heroism] is listed as having 22 Str instead of 28, and [Master Assassin Wristwraps] are not listed, they are a good piece of Fury gear, what I currently use, I would like to get a correct setup to see the difference other items make if possible.

 

• landsoul

fixed and posted.

 

Machinator

Ah I thought I had asked the question, but I didnt realize it was in the other thread, thanks. I like this model than the other mostly because it covers the avoidance not using a charge, which I did not remember.

Im not sure about the specials/flurry part. I need to look at it closer when I get time.

"Information is ammunition."

 

Jevade

It seems as though [Wicked Edge of the Planes] has a 0 DPS rating in the new version 8(*(

 

• landsoul

Ok, hotfix going up.

 

Kaan

[Madness of the Betrayer] has a too high procchance modeled in the spreadsheet. It's modeled to give ~180 ArP, but most players in WWS I see have about 2-2,5 PPM, so the proc averages out to a ~100-125 ArP. Grims/Allcoms Spreadsheets counts it as about ~120 ArP too. I've never seen any WWS on fights like Brutallus, where people had 3-4 PPM which is modeled in the spreadsheet. However, I will post some WWS logs later.

 

redmund

A small item bug I noticed tonight, [Warbringer Shoulderplates] are missing 32 strength. Awesome spreadsheet, keep up the good work!

 

• landsoul

hotfixed.

 

Jevade

Double check stats for [Shattered Sun Pendant of Might] - the AP may be wrong. Also the proc is different for scryers where you get 400 damage arcane shot hit on average( not considering crits) every 50 seconds or so instead of AP. If you are scyers this neck is probably not an upgrade for you unfortunetly 8( Aldor on the other hand seems like a sidegrade to [Choker of Serrated Blades] - i dont think the database provides this information yet.

On a different note: someone on the other forum purposed the question in regard to the most optimum time to use recklessness/bloodlust/heroism IE during cycle or execute phase ect! Maybe something to think about since execute DPS hasnt been added yet I usually pop recklessness during bloodlust after executioner procs ^^ and save a haste pot for execute range with fast/fast; but im highly curious to know what would be optimal.

 

Mech0z

If I select Breeching Comet which has a socket, my dps does not change when I select sockets, this might happen for all socket weapons, but I noticed it with this one in main hand. So no difference between no socket and +10 str socket, that cant be right

Also selecting Ragesteel set bonus (20 hit) does not net any dps increase, and that is both with 2 pieces equiped and not equiped.

 

• landsoul

Thanks for the bug testing. I'll get those updated as soon as I find time.

On notes of execute range: Its going to take a lot of intellectual energy to even come close to being accurate on that, especially with it working with options of recklessness / heroism / haste potion options. This would require seperate partitions for duration splits as the numbers would be very different between those splits. The hard part is coming up with the initial genious idea on how to compile it.

Between raiding Sunwell/BT , Arenas, Work, and RL its hard to find the time to sit down with a pencil and paper.

 

Muggins

I think you might have missed a digit out here, from when i've seen while testing the arcane bolt has been hitting in the 350-400 Arcane damage range and critting around the 700 mark. Strangely enough the bolt can also be blocked by mobs, so it seems it might be closer to Arcane Shot rather than a spell cast.

 

Jevade

Ya thanks mug- i changed it.

 

• landsoul

I remember reading somwehere that the arcane bolt being blocked or avoided was a bug.

 

Whiren

I read everything there was to read in the first 5 pages just to be sure I wasn't missing some easy way to fix this error 511 deal, and the tips in there did nothing. Downloaded the spreadsheet several times, (this is version 1.204 btw) and got a newer version of openoffice. Any tips? I put items in the slots and empty out all gem and item slots too because someone said they had to put an item in repeatedly after clearing the whole sheet for it to work, and that didn't help either.

 

• landsoul

Once you get an error in any part of the sheet you cant reverse it witout deleting/redownloading

New version up with few fixes for now, check the main page.

 

Kaan

I've promised to post some WWS logs for evidence how much PPM MotB has:

(hunter: Hamzu and Rogue: Spejbel both has a MotB)

WWS Loading...

5:30 min

Hamzu: 11 proc = roughly 2 PPM
Spejbel: had only 79% dps time, so not counting.

WWS Loading...

5:24 min

Rogue: 7 procs
Hunter: 8 procs

Wow Web Stats

6:24 min

Hunter: 9 procs
Rogue: 13 procs

WWS Loading...

6:37 min

Hunter: 12 procs
Rogue: 14 procs

WWS Loading...

5:07 min

Hunter: 9 procs
Rogue: 8 procs

So I think this is proof enough that MotB has a procrate of a maximum 2,0-2,2 PPM, nowhere near 3 to 3,5 PPM as it is modeled in the actual spreadsheet. Though, early tests have proven too, that the procrate is aproximately 2 PPM.

This was too proof, that MotB isn't any better than TT. With a 2 PPM, TT and MotB are about equal, as always modeled in the other spreadsheets.

just my 2 pence.

 

• landsoul

Its base 1.0 ppm MH + OH in the sheet, the lowest possible. In an ideal situation the uptime can get that high via instants and flurry and haste.

 

keshian

Not sure what is going on with my data but if I put in my cloak (Vengeance with 8 STR socket and 2 hit bonus) and swap it with Dory's Embrace and swap back and back and back my DPS values keeps increasing with every iteration instead of staying constant at 2 values. Every time I change any gear and then change it back I never get the original values. Let me know if you need more info.