Looks great. I'm highly opposed to puncture. I feel it's a useless talent since rage is abundant. Vigilance is also in the useless debate as if you're leveling it's a waste of a talent point and running 5 mans/heroics 10 mans you really, honestly don't have much use for it. Once you free up those 4 points go IMP DISC and IMP SR. Now you get to use shield wall twice during every boss fight. Now you get 4% less hittable by spells.

Before 3.0 I had 29% crit, now I have 33%. What gives?

There's more base crit. I gained about 4% crit from just downloading the patch.

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Raynorxx pulled 4100 with 2x S3 one-handed axes as 53/8/0 staying in Berserker.

Yeah sadly, WWS isn't working at the moment, but according to my recount I was maintaining 2300 dps as 53/8 in MH. I droped down to 1989 in BT because I kept getting killed because I kept pulling Aggro with Bladestorm and we didn't have an ENH shamen for BT. Gotta learn how to play with that better. Anyway, In MH/BT in 4 hours of raiding I was 4th over all in dps behind a Ret Pally, Mage, and Hunter. Over all I think arms is going in the right direction I really like it.

As to TG....I dunno man I guess we will see. The way deepwounds works right now, I just have a hard time not seeing a build with incite and deep wounds not being best. More attacks, more crits, more dps wounds. But I dunno.

I actually like your incite with arms idea. See my spec:

Arms max crit: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Fury max crit: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warr...12050120501051

What do you think?


Maximum crit Arms spec as I will be doing a lot of AE dmg

WWS isn't working right now and i didn't save my recap of the fight. But i can tell you what it is, it's the high crit% and deepwounds. Dunno how you're model'ing deepwounds but that is the big big difference at lvl70, it is a much bigger gain then TG. I was getting 24% of my total Damage coming from deepwounds with avg tick at like 1500ish and max tick around 4k, and this was without trauma/mangle in the raid.

This is easily tested, i don't know if you have tried this on the test dummies, just spend the gold and try 16/45 vs 0/53/8. With high enough crit, i'm running like 45% almost self buffed with rampage, deepwounds almost never drops off and stacks to pretty ridiculous numbers.

Up to lv 75 and through Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills, I've been able to solo all of the group quests as Prot. With the Arugal encounter in Grizzly, I did have a mage with me, but he died pretty early on due to Arugal mind-controlling me. I'm 98% certain I could have solo'd it given how the rest of the fight went. Didn't even have to use Shield Wall or Last Stand... just used Enraged Regen at one point. Between Shockwave, Demo, Thunder Clap and Spell Reflect for Arugal's shadow bolts, it was pretty easy, despite being the "hardest" of the group quests I'd seen.

Now I understand that the difference in my extremely crappy welfare epics and SSLanfear t6 gear will account for some of this, but I am getting much less percentage of damage from my deep wounds. My crit rating is roughly 37% with rampage, but not mongoose and DW is pretty much procing before it counts down most of the time or within 1 sec of ticking off. I was assuming that DW would scale and still do roughly 24% of my dps, but it is coming off at like 16% of my dps. Is this caused entirely in the difference in gear or is it just the lower crit rating? (which i do apologize for, i just started playing and have spent less than half my wow gaming time at 70). I am using 15/46/0 as my spec with the extra point in unending fury instead of in the arms tree for rage gen.

Also on a different note did I figure the hit rating needed to cover Titan's Grip right? I am coming up with appro. 332 hit rating. Give or take one (assuming 3 in prec and after the 12% miss change). I have not seen much in the way of Wrath teir gear but will this be a fairly easy to get stat? I talked to a TG warrior on Frostmane named Taximan who said he has a 114 hit rating and didn't miss that much, which seems highly unlikely. Are the people using TG close to hit capped? I never grabbed any two handers when I was leveling assuming I would always stay Fury so I have yet to try TG for myself. What would you guys say is the minimium hit rating you could use TG without a noticeable drop in dps. Enough to cover the 15% on the talent and then just let the base miss % ride?

Sorry if this has been asked before or is a stupid question but I couldn't find a response searching the forums and it doesn't seem obvious to me.

Why do the DPS warrior 53/8/0 specs include Deflection instead of things like Imp Heroic Strike or Imp Charge, etc.? I realize that those aren't the greatest talents but at least they have the potential to increase DPS whereas Deflection only helps if you're getting hit. Is the amount of AoE melee damage in raids enough to justify Deflection or is it there for another reason? I realize there is (or at least was) a parry-haste effect but again this requires you to get hit. Maybe this is more to provide the ability to off-tank? My warrior was only rolled recently so he's not in a raiding position yet to test it out.

Thanks.

Few things to say. For your arms build I would swap out your points in Imp Intercept and Second wind and fill out Taste for blood and Sudden death. At least for now, which a duel wielding ax spec perhaps it would be better to stay in zerker stance which would make those points useless, I'm not sure. But if that's true than any points in imp OP would be needless.

As to fury, I cannot see any build that does not have deep wounds being competitive. So it's impossible to have TG, Incite, and DW. I personally think that it's rediculous that Incite is in the prot tree since it affects heroic strike which is still a staple warrior dps talent. It screams dps, and if TG could get both there is no question it would be the best fury build in my mind. TG still might be best, Shaa is really sold on it, and generally he knows what's what, but we will see. But again, Deepwounds is core to warrrior dps in my opinion, you have to have it.

Definitely 1h axes with deep wounds and Sudden death is the hot spec right now.
I was threatcapped and had to stop atttacking until I begged for Vigilance and then I continued attacking.
The result 3361 dps in Brutallus without Sunwell gear and the stated 20-25 seconds period I was only autoattacking.
Deep Wounds was 34% of my damage with 5k max tick and 2355 average.

Recount Cake:
Deep Wounds 34%
Execute 27.5%
Melee 26.5%
Whirlwind 6%
Mortal Strike 5%
Heroic Strike 1%

My crit is 64% with mongoose up. And my white damage crit is capped by glancing+miss.

Or well, it's Deep Wounds, dual wield and high crit/haste effects what rocks now. I guess a fury build can do great while doing way less threat.

Ive tested all specs on beta, and put in many hours working on what will be best for my gear set right now. Yesterday i ran a 52/9 spec you can dump the 1 extra point in arms if you want it really didn't matter much. I put muramasa in my mh, and the grip of mannoroth in the oh. Ill throw the link to the wws parse from last nights raid, i was 2nd on brut just over 3500 dps. I think in terms of how deep wounds is currently working, hands down dual wield arms/fury spec is going to push max dps especially if you do not have optimal 2handers for tg or slam spec. My threat was not an issue for most of the fights, i also hit 3k on kj. Once they finals the arms tree i'm not sure how well this setup will perform but for now those are my thoughts. I am interested to hear how glaive warriors that ran this spec did in sunwell this week in comparison.

And yes i agree having axes is hands down the way to go for this spec as the last person posted.

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Hydde may I ask you why gem/itemize for so much hit? I would have thougt more crit would be the way to go? or am I wrong?

Duelwield arms seems to perform really good, but I would like some more info? do you need end-sunwell gear for this?

We are raiding tonight as well, I will craft two wicked edge of the planes and see how it goes. I dont' have access to any pvp options for axes sadly. Is it just me or is there no PVE dps one hand axes in the game?

[Rising Tide] Is an excellent PVE one-handed axe.

I basically gemmed all of my str/crit gems to 10 hit. My reasoning was partially in anticipation for the change of sudden death to be chance on hit, but also because i am going to mess around with tg which will require me to have similar hit numbers. My personal preference has always been to cap specials then get as much hit as you can without gemming, however with this spec i felt that not missing the boss and going with a quicker offhand would yield me more opportunities to get those sudden death procs. Raid buffs i was around 50 percent crit, which i felt was more then sufficient.

However, if i was not missing some key items like supremus neck or a cloak with hit it would allow me to gem differently. Ive tested my gear with str/crit gems and i did not see much of an increase or decrease in terms of my personal dps on the test dummies however this spec is something that will obviously scale incredibly from the raid haste and crit buffs. And on a side note i also ran this spec using a slow offhand which in terms of the dps breakdown put my melee damage above the deep wounds and executes, however the number of attacks went down which overall gave me a lower dps over 5-10 min dps parses.

Given how well deep wounds is performing now, should protection warriors potentially be looking at it as a good threat boost? It would take a little austerity in spending on the protection tree to get to it, but it is certainly possible to get. On the plus side impale would have nice synergy with all those +15% crit talents in protection as well. (It would probably have to wait until 80, at 70 there just aren't enough points around.)

If you getting threat cap, it was your tank that bad at wow. Not your spec or anything.
Tanks now should running around with 4k TPS or even more.

If you can do about over 4K and not having anykind of threat reducing talent/threat dump ability u can be threat capped.

I specced 15/46/0 Slow/Fast yesterday and tbh works pretty good in a Raid environment. The good thing is that I don't need to re-gem anything. Current state of Deep Wounds is that you can't avoid this talent, it was consistently ~30%+ of my Total Damage. I prefer stay old school fury until I see next pack of hot fix & patch 3.0.3 before WotLK...

Is it true that double Mongoose is the best enchant combo now?

I think that on low armor Bosses, Mongoose 2x pwns because stack crit is awesome for Deep Wounds. And Deep Wounds is AWESOME (Caps intended).