Pyros

Only one "true" interupt actually, which is a melee attack. Also have a ranged silence(doesn't lock spell shcools but well works fine since it's a rather long silence) and an "interupt" in the form of death grip which cancels spellcasts since it forces the target to move. Could arguably classify ghoul stun as yet another interupt, and freezes too, but well that's a lot of varied abilities, in that regards sheep is an interupt. It can be used as one, but to be honest most people wouldn't classify it as an interupt. Can definitely lock a caster out of casts for a pretty decent time as a DK though, part of it at range. That's the class theme, somewhat ^^.

With that said, I don't think it's a big issue that interupts are off GCD, what I didn't like is how CS wasn't while the rest was, but assumed it was due to cooldown issues, since kick/pummel have short cooldowns. I'll however agree that not everyone is equal to interupts. Paladins are especially terrible with their unique school.

 

Crimsonstorm

How would the dps of the 30/41 build compare to something like 25/5/41 (Axe spec).

Reduced heroic strike rage cost, 5% more crit, and crit damage bonuses from Impale and Axe Spec, versus the loss of Commanding Presence, 2/5 OH spec, Weapon Mastery, Death Wish and Flurry.

Tanking wise it seems stronger with 5% parry and Imp Thunderclap.


My main concern with these builds is aggro generation from the devastate+heroic strike spam. I already can pull aggro with a 12/5/41 spec doing the same thing, with salv, if its a fight where the tank has to wear survival gear and cant generate max threat.

 

Dooknookem

I base my quote of 30-40DPS off my spreadsheet for my warrior. Heroic strike, as a whole adds more than 30-40 DPS, yes, I mean to say it adds 30-40 DPS overall as opposed to them being white swings. Heroic strike/Cleave makes up for about 8-11% of my overall damage meaning that could be anywhere from 50 to even 200 DPS given the right circumstances. Heroic does indeed turn whites to yellows and hence is almost a modifyer on hit for the warrior. but the extra rage generated for execute from not having heroic in the rotation would in my mind make up for white swings being untouched with this build.

As for the 125% threat on execute, I didn't know that existed O.o Threat would probably be about the same then.

 

• Morsexy

I 100% agree, but what does that have to do with warrior issues with interupts in the current game? We have the hardest road to interupt, but thats fine, we can agree to disagree.

What I will say though is, your main issue isn't with spell interupts, its the broken nature of classes based on dots (IE much tougher to stop casting ) in current arena play in comparison to healers that do not have dot heals. That really has little to do with us.

The fact that the two CCs I care most about, Cyclone and Sheep, are at a minimum 1.3 casts to our 1.5 GCD makes it a necessary change.

 

Dooknookem

Does Shield Bash share the same mechanic change as pummel? From a pve standpoint having spell interupts off the GCD means more threat and DPS for the raids on certain encounters.

 

• landsoul

Please read the thread. These skills no longer cause damage.

 

Buka

Interrupts, not affecting GCD = less "babysitting" = more threat (from other abilities). Sure, it not important on bosses (how often we interrupt the boss?). But it's useful on "trash" pulls.

 

Darmon

Blue post quote(Koraa on wotlk hunter forums)
In the future, Hunters will be able to use Master's Call while stunned.

We already have mages using blinks under stuns, and druids using shapeshift/barkskin.
Would it be gamebreaking to have warriors able to change stance under stuns?

 

Nezralix

It's good that Prot warriors are getting more value of damage-oriented gear now, but... shouldn't block value maybe be boosted by attack power instead of strength? We'll be getting roughly 800-1000 raw (non-strength) attack power via raid buffs in Wrath (Battle Shout, Blessing of Might, Unleashed Rage, others?), and while that will be contributing to the many skills that are now based off of attack power, it won't be doing anything for our block values and consequently our Shield Slams. It just seems a bit arbitrary.

 

Mode

Since this is of specific interest to warriors who may not want to read the main WOTLK thread,

>Source<

 

Njial

Knowing Blizzard, I would think that's working as intended. Same reason Vitality is Stamina and not health. Then it would start scaling up with things like Commanding Shout, and Flasks.

Duty is heavier than a mountain, Death is lighter than a feather.

 

suicuique

Some random impressions:

Bloodsurge gives an optical and sound cue when it procs. It does however not trigger any (ingame) SCT messages like overpower/execute/victoryrush does.

The scaling Bloodthirst heal ability rocks. In pure BC dps gear it heals in ticks of 170 and more. I'd guess in raid setting it equals a nice little hot being on you all the time. Way better than it used to be. Now it's a real plus of the fury tree IMHO.

Heroic Leap is ... weird. The stun effect is minimal and the mobility it grants is situational at best. Granted .. I had no ambition to really get used to the talent.

Titan Grip is better than I thought. At least in solo leveling up to 74 it does equal damage do dualwielding and rage drought is not an issue up till now. We'll see if the rage formula will be changed again (this is to be expected).

I thought I had read somewhere that rampage will be changed to be a selfrefreshing buff? It is unchanged however. Have always hated the babysitting of rampage.

 

KraxisSingular

What kind of setup are you using? One Two-hander and one one-hander? Do you use the instant Slam talents for some added burst?

 

suicuique

Cataclysm MH and S3 2H Mace OH.
I use Bloodsurge (instant slam) whenever it is up.

 

KraxisSingular

Really... I'm a bit surprised there. But I guess the stats on a twohanded OH makes up for any inherent deficiencies it might have in regards to speed and rage, especially if you feel rage isn't a big issue.

I suppose your WWs are pretty damn awesome now.

 

gia

Haven't seen this mentioned yet, check out this blue post:

WoW Forums -> [Suggestion] Talent For Death knight Tanking.

The topic is Death Knight tanking but warriors are mentioned a few times and it provides some insight in what they are trying to do.

 

Viscera

Have you done any instances yet? Personally I didn't have any rage droughts either when leveling because obviously the mobs are feeding you rage. In instances however you can be really short on rage. If you have 2 misses in a row you can find yourself unable to BT or WW for an extra 5 seconds or so.

 

Liar

You will run in quite some trouble later on when you keep leveling up and your ratings drop. I lost something in the lines of 10% crit and 5% hit by being level 76 which makes TG really really streaky. In the end, I settled for Prot DPS with a Shield which kills stuff faster (2k Shockwave and up to 3k Shield Slam crits anyone?).
Ironically, this comes with more downtime than TG because BT is just so powerful with the buffed healing part, but I enjoy it alot more. And having 2 stuns I can use at will (plus Intercept) gives me quite some control. Hope I get to replace the pure AP items like jewelry with Str gear so I can get even better DPS and higher SS crits. <_<

Unexpected TankPoints error Clearly someone doesn't understand how EH works. That, or upgrading from T8 to T9 is optional in beating Arthas. Clearly.

 

suicuique

Only a few. And of course youre right. Solo leveling feeds you rage from damage received. This could significantly change my impression.

I already lost 5% crit or so ... and it begins to hurt because up till now I did not aquire new gear either (which on the other hand is a good thing ... swapping the Naxx cloak with a lvl 64 q reward hurt back then ^^)

Now this sound interesting. Gonna try.

 

Borodin

Whitetooth (Rating's Buster author) has derived the new rating requirements (there's a new post listing these), basically it's slightly over double the ratings at 80 compared to 70 for the same benefit.
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SSLanfear

People have said that bloodthirst and mortal strike share the same cooldown but does either of them share the same cooldown with sheildslam?

 

Malpractices

I have been thinking a bit about the penalty that will (and probably should) be associated with TG. What if bliz were to take away the - haste penalty and add an additional - hit penalty? I was thinking somewhere along the lines of -5 to -10% to hit. If they wanted to force players into taking all 5 points of TG then they could start at -30% hit and you gain 5% to hit for every point you have in TG. This would lend to the flavor of running around with two big 2 handers. I do realize it will cause higher miss streaks but the weapons would be back down to their 3.5 or so speed and you wouldn't have to wait as long for the next attack.

Thoughts or constructive critisizm welcome.

 

Darian_TruBlade

-30% hit would certainly put a damper on people spending one point in the talent. While that obviously would accomplish your goal, I think it's a little extreme.

The 28% haste loss only directly affects white damage. The suggested 30% hit loss would affect yellow damage as well, making it nearly twice as devastating. A 10-15% hit loss, scaling down to 5%, would still be prohibitive but not onerous.

 

Nezralix

Does the rage gain formula appear to be scaling up pretty well in Wrath? Or maybe even gotten a baseline improvement for all levels? It would seem they'd have to do something about this, given the change to Windfury.

 

Shha

Why would WF change warrant rage buff? For TG at least, WF got BUFFED, not nerfed, and for most other builds its the same.

Also the -speed on TG is actually a best possible "nerf" we can get. Remember, TG build WILL have you slamming like arms warriors do now - its the only sensible rage dump (heroics will be just awful, you dont have SD). With WF giving 20% haste , and 25% flurry, you are looking at attacking at 1.5xfaster speed already - which means with 0 haste and 3.6 speed weapon you get below the "2.5 treshold" already. With lets say haste like i have now (15% or so), its gonna be 2.15 swing speed without TG "nerf"? TG will increase it to manageable 2.6+ speed - so in fact TG wont really be a nerf at all in raids assuming you slam. Probably a non slam rotation without TG penalty would be better - but of all "areas" they could put TG nerf in, haste is the least painful.

Remember that WF change will exactly offset TG debuff, so you will be still swinging 10% faster (flurry) then current arms warriors.