ash2ash

I got tired of my mage so I decided to level a troll warrior. I like the damage as fury but I hate the downtime, plus I want to get some practice tanking, so I'm thinking about going prot. Anybody have any specific tips on when to go prot or what kind of rotation I should be going for with the WOTLK changes? Most of the threads I've searched through have tips on 70+ or pre-3.0, but nothing regarding starting from scratch.

 

footloop

I don't think you would see a significantly reduced downtime as prot at that level. Without a good instant attack you kill things reeeeally slowly. My advice would be to stick it out as fury until you hit level 40, at which point bloodthirst speeds things up by a massive amount and does a little to reduce downtime. The best thing you can do is make sure you've always got decent weapons. The AH can be expensive for low level equipment, but picking up a new pair of 1h's every 5 or so levels makes a huge difference.

 

Twistedmind

Was wondering something. I know a long time ago this site had a list of gear for prot warriors that would be good for a 100% avoidance set. I am still looking to build this set for soloing old lvl 60 stuff, such as Onyxia. Is it still possible to do this? If so, what gear would be best to make that set?


Also was wondering is fury dps really that much better then arms. Right now I been topping most dps charts as arms due to being able to spam execute. 1/3rd of my overall dps is from execute and I am doing great in dps. I am just wondering if fury with titans grip really that much better?

 

• Morsexy

So far in my experience TG simply outperforms Arms currently, and unless I'm mistaken TG is only going to get better and better with gear. As hit\expertise becomes a consequence of having the best items and not a gearing path I would think that the gap will at the minimum continue to be what it is if not increase with every better piece\set of gear.

 

Sanbu

Are there hard numbers to back this up? And at what kind of ratio on hit / crit / ap / str would fury be better than arms? I'm asking this cause I myself too am wondering to switch to fury. I'm already above the soft hit cap of 361, but is that the only thing that fury needs to out-dps arms? My gear isn't that good atm either, so just wondering what would be best at this moment.

 

• LodeRunner

What the hell is wrong with you people? Yes, Fury DPS is noticeably better than Arms DPS. Why does this keep getting asked? Check WWS parses. They're freely available here: Wow Web Stats

 

Pstar

Hi,

So our 2 tanks for 10mans are a DK and a Pally, and we don't have a hunter, so no armor debuffs are up on bosses. I was wondering whether it made sense for a Fury warrior to apply sunders. It seems to me that it might, but I'm not a warrior. I want to talk about this just in terms of the Fury warrior's own personal dps, though obviously the debuff on a boss will increase everyone else's dps, too.

Math: 13k boss armor, 3925 from 5x Sunder, Damage reduction goes from 46% to 37%, and so damage done increases by 16.6% ((1-.37)/(1-.46)).
It costs 15 rage, and has to be reapplied every.... ouch, 15 seconds. So, 75 rage upfront cost, and 1 rage/second ongoing cost... for a 4 minute fight, that's 315 rage.

Assuming you spend the rage on 11 bloodthirsts instead, hitting for maybe 2k each, 22k damage/240 seconds, looks like it costs you about 100 dps.

According to this, as long as your DPS is above 600, you're better off keeping up sunder. Am I doing something wrong, or should I tell our fury warrior to keep up sunder and that it will increase his dps?

 

• LodeRunner

Of course it makes sense. Not only that, but it's easy. There are empty spaces in the rotation where the global cooldown is not being used. You should definitely take advantage of Sunder.

edit-
Sunder armor lasts 30 seconds, not 15.

 

Lyriikka

or you could keep up expose armor aswell if your DPS warrior is slacking with keeping up the sunders, isn't it better for armor reducement (atleast talented it is) ?

and rage shouldn't be an issue really.

 

• LodeRunner

Improved Expose Armor no longer gives a bonus to the reduction. Instead, it's a reduction to the energy cost. Sunder is also a lot easier to keep up after you have 5 stacks up.

 

JamesVZ

No. A few more tiers of gear might allow you to block a significant amount or all of the damage on the older bosses, but currently it's not possible to have a 100% avoidance set.

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Dagronjr

I have a few questions about Flurry procs. I've done some looking around and I've heard that MH OH sharing speed either causes an extra unseen attack when Flurry procs or allows you to make 4 swings of the haste effect before it's gone. Is this true? Does this still show benefit when Flurry is "refreshed" as opposed to falling off and being reapplied? Any information on how exactly this works and how much of a benefit sharing weapon speeds is vs. not sharing weapon speeds would be greatly appreciated.

 

Graul

Probably due to the "guides" by Arms Warriors on the Blizzard forum that play with mediocre Fury Warriors they out gear, who think that just because they are "only a few hundred DPS" behind Fury on some fights that means both specs are close. Apparently Arms is underrepresented on WWS out of ignorance.

 

cenzor

Simple question:
Where can I check my current shield block value? Does it display on the character sheet somewhere? If it's not, then do you guys calculate it by hand or with an addon?

 

Moogul

In the 'defenses' tab you should see your block chance % listed, if you mouse over it the popup should show your block value.

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Twistedmind

See there is a problem most people dont take into consideration when they talk arms vs fury. Fury you have to work more on a soft hit cap in order for your dps to be sustained. Arms dont leaving them to work on other stats. Plus with arms, we can proc Sudden Death which allows us to spam Execute. In fury, you dont use Execute often if at ever. Fury all your damage come from WW and BT/Slam. In Arms, over 1/3rd of your damage overall comes from Execute due to Sudden Death. And as I said I am topping charts, in front of mages, rogues, locks, and even deathnights. I have no ran with another fury warrior yet which is why I am asking here. Half the time I hear fury warriors being beat out by other classes. I really feel the people that is backing fury so much really need to provide better comparisions because I think they are wrong.

 

Handyhoof

If you're going to make an assertion like "Arms done right is equal (at worst) to Fury dps." Then it really should be you who provides the backing data. This is a place for factual statements and cold hard data. The data thus far has shown otherwise. It's put up or shut up.

 

• LodeRunner

I love your unsupported claims. Let's see some parses. Coherent sentences would also be a plus.

 

Kedour

Can anyone explain why Weapon Mastery is taken in the fury PvE builds? I thought bosses couldn't dodge attacks from behind (or is this changed?), or is it taken for the disarm time reduction? I'm checking out a spec for a warrior friend and noticed people taking this.

 

JamesVZ

Bosses can dodge from behind. Players cannot.

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segaface

edit- Gah, linking to wowwiki and I was beaten to the punch.

At any rate, I have a question:

If I am under expertise cap, how beneficial would it be to eat expertise food rather than strength food?

 

Owthathurt

One of my dps warrior guildmates was asking me for advice on how many points in imp demoralizing shout were needed to negate boss attack power.

I haven't seen any actual values for boss attack power around the place so I was wondering how I could work it out.
I couldn't think of anything else other than running with different numbers of talent points in imp demo shout and working out when boss damaged was minimized

Obviously this will have to be tested a lot otherwise due to boss attacks outputting a range of damage rather than a consistent amount I might get a load of false positives.

This seems to me to be terrible inelegant, so I was wondering if anyone had a better method to calculate boss attack power?

 

Pogues

The hit cap isn't an issue, I just hit 80 Sunday night and with the crafted [Spiked Titansteel Helm] I was already over the soft hit cap, so much so that I regemed all my hit gems. If you look at any of the raiding Fury Warriors posting here they are all hit capped with virtually no hit gems/enchants, so that virtually negates your point as Arms warriors will be in basically the same gear except maybe with a different trinket or ring. Also, I don't know if you can claim that fury isn't better than arms when you admit you have never run with a fury warrior. Go find a fury warrior in comparable gear and post your WWS here if you are so sure that Arms is king of warrior DPS.

 

◊ Birdemani

Since the threat is built into the UI now, I was wondering if a macro can be made to put Vigilance onto your current targets #2 threat. It's not that I have a threat issue, I just get bored on tank and spanks and like to do something else during them. I'm also wondering if anyone else has some unique/fun ways to use this spell.

 

Kaap

I've always been over the soft hit cap ever since I dinged 80. At one point due to new gear I was actually at 439. What I hate so much about the soft cap is that with every item you get you need to valuate if its an upgrade at all so you do not drop below the cap, and if it is often you end up having to regem to obtain the cap again. Costs me loads of money.

In other words, I'm now dual wielding Death's Bite with Titansteel Destroyer. Have Demise in the bank. Considered putting Demise in OH but it would add me little haste but loose some hitrating and 68AP. Currently considering my enchants. Upto now I've used the 85AP enchant but I feel Death's Bite will be here for a while so I want to add something better to it.

Choices are Executioner, Mongoose or Berserking. I feel Berserking is a scam to DPS Warriors, AP for reduced AC, but our AP scales on AC. And besides that, I dont feel lacking in the AP department. Everything has loads of AP on it these days. Mirror of Truth proc adds 1000AP as well, which is great. I do feel I lack in the crit department, 32.85% in Berserking Stance. So I think I'll go for an Executioner/Mongoose or dual Mongoose combo.

But what do you guys think about it?

And I'm also curious to find out which weapon you would see fit as to replace Titansteel Destroyer. We start 25 mans this reset, 3 days a week. And we split the raidgroup up into 2 for 2 nights of 10 man raiding. We cleared all 10 man content so I do not expect us to have much troubles with the 25 man versions. In other words, I have access to the 25 man 2-handers. Betrayor of Humanity is logical if it would drop, but other options? Armageddon maybe or get another Death's Bite?