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WoW Meter Online - Slints - Threat

One of our tanks happens to be a Prot warrior, above is a parse from our first NR Beasts 25M Heroic kill. He is our best geared tank but he appears to be out threated and our survived by our other tanks, 2 paladins (one considerably less geared) and an offspec druid who used to sub in sometimes. Originally he didn't have the Glyph of Blocking and when he got it (he "couldn't find it"), his survivability seemed to improve. But, considering his gear, and from what I've heard about Prot warriors, he should be doing considerably better.

Could I also get a priority rotation for Prot warriors? I read somewhere that revenge is supposed to be in the mix and that devastate was last as far as priority goes... I think it went something like this: Shield Slam > Revenge > Concussion Blow > Shockwave > Devastate. Devastate is top until you get 5 sunders, HS/Cleave when it's up, and I guess I TC can be thrown at the start.

I've noticed he doesn't use revenge and when I'm healing or just glancing at grid, he takes some huge hits in comparison to the other tanks and like the parse shows, seems to have threat issues. About the same time he got the Glyph of Blocking, we had him respec to his current spec (Deep Wounds). I wanted him to get Imp Charge instead of 2/3 Iron Will, but I guess it doesn't matter and this prot warrior alt said that it would be pretty pointless so I dropped it.

Can I get some feedback on the parse, his gear/spec/glyphs, etc. I'd love for him to improve to make clearing future encounters that much easier. We have Jaraxxus tonight.

Edit: I just looked up his prot spec and apparently he removed his 3/3 AtT... that's bad right? His favorite devastate and pretty much all his threat comes from ap based abilities... unless I'm mistaken

 

Vanick

The simple answer is he isn't following the priority list which you have right pretty much. He also only used Heroic Strike a handful of times. The solution is knowing the priorities of your abilities as they become available off of cooldowns. He needs to be using Revenge and Heroic Strike much more often. HS should be near the top of his overall damage list.

 

Granger

Yes, AtT is a critical talent to have, especially if he is having threat issues. One thing that helped me in heroic strike spamming was to bind it to my mousewheel. It's much easier to go through my normal rotation while spamming my mousewheel than it was to have HS bound to another key. Also make sure he's applying vigilance to a high threat dps and not being lazy. When he's not actively tanking he can also intervene to any high threat dps, it seems that a lot of warriors tend to forget about the threat reduction in intervene.

 

Gregor

With the advent of paid Race transfers, what's the best DPS Horde warrior race? I'm not interested in tanking or PVP that much, just in pushing the min/max envelope in raid situations.

Orc Blood Fury > Troll Haste?

 

Anduryondon

I would say Orc, because you have Expertise on Axes in addition to Blood Fury

 

Shha

Troll has decent advantage in racial (~700 haste rating equivalent for average haste-equipped warrior - average of 38 haste vs orc 322 AP = 27AP average).However the orc racial with 2 min cooldown works slightly better with cds, but in the end it still is worth not more then 50% of troll.So in racials "clickies" trolls pull ahead, but passive expertise (another 40 rating), makes orcs superior WHEN using axes.

So in the end it boils down to weapons you think you will be using - but with current itemization, you probably want an orc (troll would have been superior in ulduar).

 

Razzberry

During discussion of Heroic Anub'arak, I have seen a number of references to using a "block tank" on the adds. I'm looking to get some more information for a warrior in my guild, so is there any specific post I should direct him to that explains the concept in a bit more detail (gear list, etc)?

 

Pirie

This post from tankspot probably has what you are looking for as far as gear: tankspot.

The basic idea is to get your avoidance up high enough that every attack is either dodged, parried, or blocked (101.6% or something like that). Then get your block value up to ~3k. Because the adds attack quickly, but don't hit very hard, this is an effective strategy (especially if you have all of the adds on 1 tank).

Tankspot also has a strategy thread that goes into more depth: tankspot.

 

◊ vorpalblade

^^It's a small but important correction, but you probably meant block value.

 

Aristodemos

Hey all, Ive been playing my priest for about the last 9 months or so, and I'm finding myself out of the loop with regards to my warrior.

I have 2 simple questions that I have not been able to find answers to in the past 3 hours of reading that I have done in the various posts here:

1) For DPS is Arms or is Fury significantly better than the other for content starting at TOC10m and up? All of my current experience with my warrior has been as a tank and as a fury warrior; has Arms become a true contender for DPS?

2) I understand SEP. I understand that ArP is top priority for an Arms warrior. I *think* but have not been able to confirm that the priority for Arms is: Hit (till cap) > ArP > Str > Crit > Haste > Agility. What I have not been able to find at all is an updated priority list for Fury. Is it still Hit (till cap) >Str > Crit > Haste > Agility > ArP?

Thank you for your time!

 

cybertier

Arms and Fury are both viable in current raiding content.
Both have their fights in which they shine.
In general fury should perform slightly better, afaik.


There is no way to build a simple Priority list for warriors, because those prioritys can switch with each piece of gear.
Best ways to determine gear upgrades are the Spreadsheet or Rawr (Both produce similar numbers)
But if you want to have a prio list (at least for arms):
Hit (till cap) > ArP (till softcap) > Str > Crit > Agility > Haste And expertise somewhere between strength and the rest depending on your current expertise.

 

Limmi

So I am a warrior who recently went fury after being a tank for nearly 3 years. I have done research on these forums and tankspot, and have come up with different results for the Fury Rotation. Some users here advocate WW > BT, while others BT > WW. After consulting the spreadsheet, it seems that BT > WW is the correct rotation? Can anyone clarify please?

 

cybertier

At early gearlevels it is WW > BT but with good gear it is BT > WW

 

Dimebag

Being an orc I have the extra expertise from having an axe on my main hand.
As i stand now my mainhand is at 25 (til i get round to grabbing another gem) but my off hand (a sword) is much lower.
Does this really matter and will i notice much difference in dps if i dodge cap the expertise on offhand too?
Of course o hope for another axe soon but with only 1 Dual'blade butcher dropping ever and no mokrosh in 10 it could be a while

 

myno

Getting expertise-cap for offhand is not worth the loss of other stats.

 

Ossein

A question about hitboxes and general fury DPS.

I understand my avoidance drops when I'm not facing a mob. However, let's say I'm moving Lord Jar. around or one of the Iron Council members out of runes or running Guardians of Yogg around I tend to strafe with them(I don't have turning bound, it's down with click+mouse movement). Even though I'm facing sideways I can still hit them so I'm assuming that are facing my "forward" hit box. Correct? Incorrect? I don't want to make this a habit if it's dangerous and may make me die faster.

Also at the launch of TOC, I was Arms spec, but after I got new weapons I went Fury. TOC only has 5 bosses, and not much variablity. The thing is this, I DPS 25s and tank 10s. I don't have a change to DPS older content such as Ulduar(We tend to not run old content on 25 often), so all my DPS running is done in TOC25. I'm breaking 5-6K on Anubarak(ww and cleave are nice), and barely making 4k on Northrend Beasts. Lord Jar I average at 4.5-5k. Would that sound about average to a Fury Warrior running normal mode TOC25? Is the variability in DPS the encounters themselves? Or would you guys say I'm slacking on Northrend Beasts? I don't have any parses to show but maybe I'll start to record this data myself.

EDIT: and something a poster said uptop confused me:

"At early gearlevels it is WW > BT but with good gear it is BT > WW"

What is "good gear"? Hardmode TOC gear? or a mixture between 232 and 245?

 

Fex

NRB has a lot of time you spend NOT DPS'ing, while worms are underground, Icehowl punts everyone, etc. It's not a great fight to judge DPS. Jaraxxus is better: if you're on the boss the whole time it's going to be pretty close to your optimal single-target DPS. I find Jaraxxus (if you stay on him) and Koralon in VoA to be good single-target DPS tests. Anub will be skewed because of Cleave. Twins shifted high because of buffs. Champs, bleh.

If you're asking if you should get close to your spreadsheet numbers, Jaraxxus and Koralon are pretty much the only ones in current content that will give you a good stick to measure with.

You logged out in Prot gear; I was going to eyeball your gear to see if your 4.5-5k was acceptable for your gear, but I can't. For reference, I do about 6400-6600 on those two fights when I'm not being sloppy.

 

Ossein

You have an i245 mainhand, and a i232 off hand. I'm using the same horde side equivalent mainhand Dual Blade Butcher, however I'm still stuck using Ironsoul(i219) in my offhand. You have more crit than I do, I'm 35% and you are 37%. Also I don't have a Grim Toll and much less Arpen. I also have the Expertise Trinket because I lack Expertise on my gear. I believe I'm doing alright at my gear level. Your post helped alot. Thanks.

Also, I will try to stay logged out in Fury gear, and try to get some parses together of boss fights. That will make for better DPS critique.

 

Kysimir

Does Shattering throw stack with Shattering throw?

Based on observations of Tool Tips, the second Shattering Throw applies a SECOND debuff. However, I have not yet looked at the math... plan on doing it later this weekend. Figured I'd ask you all first, in case someone had done it prior.

No math, Screen Shot, or source = no point responding.

Raid Utility & You[Arms Warrior's guide to Raiding] -- wants your [EJ posters] feedback!

 

Kevzor

I was wondering if anyone could recommend an add-on for tracking debuffs (sunders and demo shout). We don't have a warrior tank in my guild, so if up to me and and our other fury warrior to keep up sunders. I'm currently using Xperl (which makes the debuff large IF I apply it), and ClassTimer (but the bar only pops up when I apply it also). Does anyone know if there is a way to track sunders and demo shout even if I am not the one who applies it to the boss? There's nothing worse than letting sunders fall off because I wasn't paying attention and then having to apply five stacks mid-fight. >.<

 

Baniro

TellMeWhen is good for tracking debuffs. You can set up custom bars to track whatever debuffs you want and choose whether or not to track it when someone else applies it. I just use this and have all debuffs turned off on my target frame.

 

Aristodemos

I use PowerAuras for all of my reactions (Slam, since Im fury) and notifications(Rend, Sunder, Commanding/Battle Shout)...

I also HIGHLY recommend BuffEnough to let you know when your raid buffers are being slack...

 

foopeemoa

I use Satrina Buff Frames, you can use it to show both buffs on yourself (Slam procs) as well as debuffs on the target. You can specify whether it will show only your personal debuffs (useful for DK diseases) or show specific debuffs applied by anyone (sunder, demo). You can set it to show time left on buffs, and I like that it shows times under 5 sec down to the tenths, so I can more accurately slip in a Slam. SBF has some effort involved in setting it up, but once you figure it out the payoff is nice.

 

Boogione

I recommend "Pitbull" to show Health, Mana/Rage... Buffs, Debuff on target and player. Be aware, somewhat complex in configuration but very powerfull and flexible.

BTW: what is the most efficient Fury rota in the execute phase? Exec + BT and nothing else? Even no rage dump with HS or cleave?

 

levk

I don't see why anybody would ever care - you're never choosing between BT and WW in rotation; you do both.