Hello,

Since i cant access the spreadsheet from my current computer I have a slight question about mainhand and offhand weapons. I recently aquired Bryntroll and i'm using it as MH with Heroic Reckoning as OH. I am in the process of aquiring the last few saronites for shadows edge and i'm wondering, should i keep Reckoning as OH for the nice stats or should i use bryntroll as OH?

I tested on a dummy and bryntrolls proc goes from doing 4,5% of my damage in MH to doing 2,5-3% of my damage in the OH.

8-10% damage from the proc? Is that while doing your rotation or just autoattacking? Because i've never seen it do that large a portion of my damage. Only rets and unholy DK's see those numbers and they're getting it nerfed.

Also, wouldn't bryntroll also proc from OH WW hits, bringing up the usefullnes a bit?

I have 2 normal justicebringers and one heroic reckoning. No heroic Justicebringer. This makes the weapon dps difference same for the two weapons. Furthermore when i checked 2xJusticebringers vs Justicebringer+Reckoning the second setup came out in front, hence why i kept using reckoning in the OH now that i dont have access to the sheet.

So, if you say that JB would clearly come out in front of Bryntroll as an OH, then shouldn't also the heroic Reckoning come out in front as it is very simmilar or better as an OH? Or were you referring to heroic JB, where the choice would seem a bit more aparent?

After playing with the spread sheet for a while and doing some testing in game with various different weapon combinations (I have one of most all the best 2h weapons available minus the 258 dual blade butcher that never dropped for us EVER!) I found the best set up was actually bryntoll MH, shadow edge OH. While this seems counter intuitive since shadow edge has a much higher damage range, relegating bryntoll to OH makes it fairly worthless. In fact the spread sheet has heroic edge of agony ahead of bryntoll in my OH. By the way, for the last month or so since I've been using bryntoll in my main hand it's averaged about 3% of my damage with the proc, 8-10% is way out of whack.

Read over Systema's post again. He is reporting a 8-10% proc rate in the MH, not damage contribution. Still higher proc rate than I get, but he's not claiming that much damage.

I'm using Bryntroll MH, heroic Reckoning OH. Getting on average 4% damage contribution. I've tried swapping the two to see how effective the proc is in the OH. It drops to about 1.5% damage contribution. A significant drop indeed, however, I find it hard to believe that SE MH + Bryntroll OH would not work better than the alternative. When I crunch the numbers this is the optimal combo. Furry are you perhaps using the Heroic Bryntroll in your calcs? When I make that switch then relagating SE to OH produces better numbers. With the normal version though, SE in the MH is far superior on my sheet.

I got called out for swapping to Cleave for multiple-mob pulls.... Is there a problem with that?


And also, Glyph of Blocking vs Glyph of Revenge.... is 10% SBV really worth the 10 rage saved from using Rev?

1. No, infact you should be using cleave on multiple mob pulls... I don't know why anyone would call you out on that.

2. Glyph of blocking is much better than glyph of revenge, it has virtually a 100% uptime (you should be using shield slam more than every 10 seconds...) and will both increase your threat and your mitigation through harder hitting shield blocks and blocking higher amounts of damage.

And I have a question of my own

Which potion consumable should warriors be using? I learnt recently that I should be using an Indestructible potion before the fight starts, but than during the fight, Haste or Wild Magic? What is better? 500 haste or 200 crit rating, and when should I be using it? I'm guessing during BL for the haste pot and during a deathwish for the crit pot?

Haste pots during heroism is the way to go, and if your guild pops hero in the start of an encounter then haste pot a second before the pull and pop another synced with as much as possible trinkets/Zerker enchants/ring proc/death wish, of you need an addon to monitor procs a well configured TellMeWhen addon is excellent for it here is the link

TellMeWhen (Fan Update) : WoWInterface Downloads : Combat Mods

As you correctly said if there is no heroism in the start of a fight an indestructible potion is best since the 3500 armor/2 mins converts through armed to the teeth to 97.23 AP/2 mins and raid buffed it is 106.95 AP/2 mins

In short, yes it is modeled, as evidenced by the low SEP (0.4 or so) value of Expertise on Landsoul's Spreadsheet.

Expertise allows for a cleaner and more predictable rotation, at the cost of a potentially lower DPS total (compared to equal ilvl items itemized differently). This is assuming you are able to use a majority of your Dodge based Overpowers in addition to everything else you are doing as part of your "rotation".

As was mentioned earlier, you should use an Indestructible Potion before the fight (assuming no Bloodlust / Heroism at the beginning) and a Haste pot later on. I wouldn't use Wild Magic at all as Fury, but it's viable as Arms before a Bladestorm I guess.

I've seen a lot of forums pop up lately on fury warriors using rend and even picking up imp rend. My warrior is my alt so it's quite possible I missed something, but is this true now? Or is it just random theory crafting? If true, how would you work that into a fury rotation?

Yes, it is true. I do this as Fury. Basically, you use it after your 2nd BT in a rotation in most cases (BT, WW, BT, Rend, BT, WW, etc). It usually ends up falling off right when you are able to put it back up. Due to the seperate GCD's between stance dancing and skill usage, it's possible (with low latency) to apply it and be back in Berserker Stance before the Skill GCD is up, ready to use your next skill.

Of course, the biggest issue with this is the presence of Bloodsurge Procs. However, I usually find myself with enough time to Bloodsurge after the "Rend dance", and still have very little clipping. Practicing on the level 60 Training Dummies will really help to smooth out how this works for any given person and their setup. If you have any latency issues at all, it's most probably not worth the risk for the small DPS gain.

Now, on fights with a decent amount of AoE involved (Anub for example), it's not really worth doing unless you are proficient enough at it to squeeze one in without destroying your rage for Cleaves and Whirlwinds. For example, I only had an uptime of about 19% on our most recent Anub kill, and did under 30k damage (quite a bit less than one well placed Whirlwind). Comparatively, I had an uptime of 37.1% on Northrend Beasts (as a side note, Snobolds are Cleavable now if anyone was unaware, yet still seem to be immune to Whirlwind).

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis is the parse I am alluding to.

Yes. I actually did not know about this until our DK tank said that his heart strikes were hitting Snobolds now, while he was tanking Gormok. I hit cleave, and it did indeed work off of Gormok. This can be seen in the parse I linked earlier by seeing the Heart Strike damage breakdown of Nightmare, our DK tank (since viewing or Cleave doesn't really prove much).