[WotLK] Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 102

Doxster · 01/22/10, 8:40 PM

Originally Posted by MystEU

I'd definitely try to practice a little more with Landsoul's sheet over using MaxDPS. Bryntroll is a great main hand but not something you should ever think of putting on your off-hand. Heroic Justicebringer is good all-around but Cryptmaker off of the Blood Princes in 25-man is a good upgrade in general when you consider the amount of hit it allows you to drop from your gear in favor of other stats. Rawr or Landsoul's Spreadsheet would still be best to make those gearing decisions later on when you start having access to more of those pieces.

Is Bryntroll bis except for Shadow's Edge and Shadowmourne?

Also before I get more accustomed to Landsoul's spreadsheet I feel the need to ask about t10. How many pieces are ideal to go for? I was in the line of thinking about going for head and shoulders t10 and gloves and chest for frost emblems, Gatecrasher I think they are called? And the craftable ICC legs. Or should I go for the 4 piece t10 set bonus?

I'm having problems with Landsoul's, I can't import my char from armory or fill in any talents. It says it doesn't allow that macro or something, know any solution to this? Maybe I can make an alt on your server and brainstorm with you sometime when you got the spare time?

Thanks in advance

MystEU · 01/23/10, 2:10 AM

Originally Posted by Doxster

Is Bryntroll bis except for Shadow's Edge and Shadowmourne?

Also before I get more accustomed to Landsoul's spreadsheet I feel the need to ask about t10. How many pieces are ideal to go for? I was in the line of thinking about going for head and shoulders t10 and gloves and chest for frost emblems, Gatecrasher I think they are called? And the craftable ICC legs. Or should I go for the 4 piece t10 set bonus?

I'm having problems with Landsoul's, I can't import my char from armory or fill in any talents. It says it doesn't allow that macro or something, know any solution to this? Maybe I can make an alt on your server and brainstorm with you sometime when you got the spare time?

Thanks in advance

The only alternative 264 weapon would be going for double Cryptmakers, but you run the risk of having way too much hit using a setup like that. If Shadow's Edge is a little far off at the moment, I'd probably use Bryntroll/Cryptmaker but as always the spreadsheet tells the best.

As for tier 10, with the current gear that is available (i.e. not considering the upcoming STR Ashen Verdict ring or the Lich King loot), it's currently best to go for the 4pc minus gloves and pick up Gatecrasher's Gauntlets if you want to limit yourself to regular ICC-25 and emblem pieces. That's current the setup I'm working towards at the moment. Using the 2-T10 helm/shoulders, Gatecrasher's Gauntlets, and the 2-T9 chest/legs. However, upcoming loot may make another setup more ideal.

As for the spreadsheet problem, if you are using 2007, you will see a "Security Warning" message up top that says macros are disabled. You need to click the Options button next to that and select "Enable this content." Armory import and all of the other features should work fully then.

Notfemmesbf · 01/28/10, 4:58 PM

Shadow resist for Blood Queen offtanks: worth the stat loss?

MatsT · 01/28/10, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by Notfemmesbf

Shadow resist for Blood Queen offtanks: worth the stat loss?

The damage is unresistable, so no.

Origence · 01/30/10, 10:06 PM

Guys how do you track Deathrbinger's Will cooldown?

So far trinkets had a single proc available and addons were tracking accurately the cooldown for that trinket. With DW 3 possible different procs the addon I use, Procodile, doesn't indicate me the cooldown.

Clear · 01/30/10, 11:03 PM

WoWAce Internal Cooldowns is one option, although it should be fairly easy to add it yourself to Procodile if you prefer it.

JustOneFix · 01/31/10, 1:16 AM

I was curious if there was a cap to the amount of damage reduction a player could have from their own talents and gear. For example, typical armor levels and buffs along with a cooldown seems to not nullify all incoming damage as if all the numbers were additive.

Statix · 01/31/10, 6:33 AM

Originally Posted by sksk

With the 21Crit Rating Meta using 2 blue gems wouldn't be that much of an issue. Considering you can always use ArP/Stam gemsx2 which in my opinion would be better than using 1xOrange/Yellow gem or +10stat gem. It's just my opinion i hate yellow/orange gems for my war.

You hate orange gems so much that you'll use purple ones? Str/crit is so close in value to just str that I haven't seen a socket bonus yet that wasn't worth using str/crit, and +10 to stats is a very valuable gem as well. This is pretty bad advice.

It takes 2 str/stam or arp/stam gems to match the value of 1 str/crit gem and Nightmare tears are almost of equal value to 100% str.

Use 21 agi, 1 Nightmare tear (on an item that has a nice socket bonus like 8 str) and str/crit gems to match yellow sockets in almost all cases where you can get a socket bonus without a blue gem.

Jambo354 · 01/31/10, 9:07 AM

Originally Posted by Statix

You hate orange gems so much that you'll use purple ones? Str/crit is so close in value to just str that I haven't seen a socket bonus yet that wasn't worth using str/crit, and +10 to stats is a very valuable gem as well. This is pretty bad advice.

It takes 2 str/stam or arp/stam gems to match the value of 1 str/crit gem and Nightmare tears are almost of equal value to 100% str.

Use 21 agi, 1 Nightmare tear (on an item that has a nice socket bonus like 8 str) and str/crit gems to match yellow sockets in almost all cases where you can get a socket bonus without a blue gem.

Nightmare Tear counts as 1 of every colored gem, meaning that you will get your 21 agi meta gem activated with just 1 Nightmare Tear if you want to. For example, in high ArP situations you start to gem pure ArP instead of activating your +4 STR (maybe even +6 STR at some point) socket bonuses with STR+Crit gems. Maybe there can be times that you only have only pure ArP gems and 1 Nightmare Tear in your gear and the meta will still be activated.

Statix · 01/31/10, 8:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jambo354

Nightmare Tear counts as 1 of every colored gem, meaning that you will get your 21 agi meta gem activated with just 1 Nightmare Tear if you want to. For example, in high ArP situations you start to gem pure ArP instead of activating your +4 STR (maybe even +6 STR at some point) socket bonuses with STR+Crit gems. Maybe there can be times that you only have only pure ArP gems and 1 Nightmare Tear in your gear and the meta will still be activated.

Right. If you're extremely close to hard capping arp and need all available sockets to do so then 20 arp will be more valuable than str/crit... but once you have spare sockets, str/crit (plus a socket bonus) will almost always be more valuable than 20 str. The biggest point I was trying to make with my statement was that using arp/stam gems and/or a 22 crit meta is a dps loss.

Origence · 01/31/10, 8:44 PM

Originally Posted by Statix

Right. If you're extremely close to hard capping arp and need all available sockets to do so then 20 arp will be more valuable than str/crit... but once you have spare sockets, str/crit (plus a socket bonus) will almost always be more valuable than 20 str. The biggest point I was trying to make with my statement was that using arp/stam gems and/or a 22 crit meta is a dps loss.

But this happens now that we have a single stat above the others. When ArP, Str, Crit have a similar SEP the 21 crit meta is slightly better, by 0-2 stats + 10 stamina.
The crit meta gives +4 crit at trade of one gem requirement which is 10 dps stats towards stamina. So you only need a socket bonus of 6 stats to match the other meta and have free stamina. And with a socket bonus of 8 stats you're gaining 2 dps stats too.

Now that was hypothetical talk. In the actual tier of raiding ArP is too good and crit too bad. And on Bis setups there isn't a single item with 8 stat socket bonus aside of helm. So yes at the moment the agility meta is better by these specific circumstances.

Gurrtrak · 02/01/10, 7:54 PM

Simple question : Does the 4T10 GCD reducing effect work on ALL Slam or only on "procced" ones?
If it is, i'll find the 4t10 fairly good as a bonus set, unless, i'll go OS i think.

Shha · 02/01/10, 8:37 PM

It has a buggy behavior explained somewhere on this forums - it basically should only reduce slams coming from proc, but it does work for 10 sec after proc.

However, regardless of this, why would you declare going for offspec? Even assuming you will be below crit cap (which isnt easy with leather gear) the Head/Chest/Legs/Shoulders are BIS in their categories WITHOUT looking at set bonus attached. Thats at heroic level, but I doubt its much different at lower level (and even if now t10 might be behind, it wont in few weeks).

So unless Arthas loots shows some really amazing drops , we are going to use 4p t10 , simply for the stats. Bonus - it will be just that - a bonus. And even then it would require 25 man heroic Arthas to drop loot at 284 lvl - something that is expected but not confirmed. 277 Items wont be a competition - t10 has simply too good itemization for us to pass on - it can be SLIGHTLY upgraded , but not enough to overcome even shitty set bonuses.

Edit: Add to that the fact that (for some people its important) Cataclysm changes will make leather useless - I left it out in original post, since I dont really care about how my gear fares few months after progression is over , but nevertheless it is a valid point for some.

Gurrtrak · 02/02/10, 5:23 AM

Thanks for the answer Shha, this makes things a lot more clear to me.
So you're suggesting that T10 (minus gloves) is BIS, I think i'll go on that so

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With the slam reducing GCD effect during 10 seconds, I feel the 4T10 would be worthwile as a bonus, permitting us to have a smoother rotation in fury spec, assuming the "GCD reduce effect" uptime is high, it could become a great bonus.
Does any Warrior using 4t10 have info on that uptime?

By offspec i didn't meaned using leather but Frost Emblems to buy the chest or crafts like the legs with sooooo much Arpen on it, my goal is to hardcap Arpen without Mjolnir Runestone.

However, could you explain this "277 Items wont be a competition - t10 has simply too good itemization for us to pass on - it can be SLIGHTLY upgraded , but not enough to overcome even shitty set bonuses.", i don't understand the meaning here ^^.

Excuse me for my approximative English, i'm a French user looking for some improvement

Aranthdor · 02/02/10, 5:36 AM

Simple Question: How definitive is Landsoul's spreadsheet? I'm currently "soft ArP capped" and when I go to two AP/Str trinkets and gem all ArP I get a DPS decrease (according to the spreadsheet). Is this absolutely correct? Once my gear starts improving more and more and I can input two Str/AP trinkets, go all ArP gems, and get a DPS increase (according to the spreadsheet) over my "soft cap", will that be absolutely correct?

Does anyone know the passive ArP % required to make it superior to the soft cap off the top of their head?

Also, I have heard of people intentionally gemming over their ArP soft cap for more constant/less jumpy DPS. Can anyone enlighten me on this? If your gear can't support a hard cap and you are stuck with soft cap, is this the way to go?

I'm sorry for bringing back up such a frequently discussed topic. I have tried using the search feature to find my answer. I find quite a few posts that touch on the topic, but I wasn't really able to find the answer I was looking for in the time I spent searching.

Thanks for any help in advance!