[WotLK] Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 13

Amril · 11/30/08, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I've seen crazy damage like that happen during our most recent 25 man Gothik. I started devastating for 20k, shield slamming for 60 and thunderclapping for 25k. It only lasted a few seconds though.

Last night in Caverns of Time I somehow getting crits like this. Looked through the combat log and found nothing, can only assume it's a bug or something.

Kaap · 11/30/08, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by damagedgoods

I searched around but didn't see a relative cost and, pre-raid, I don't see much gear dedicated to expertise. I know at 70 it was about 14.97 expertise rating for 4 expertise = 1%. What is the 80 cost?

I ask because I placed a +6 expertise and +6 hit gem in my gear and saw no expertise move. Should I extend myself pre-raid into making every expertise effort or do hit and strength and build expertise as it comes from raid gear, similar to the old philosophy of not gemming for hit?

32.79 expertise rating to bust 1% dodge/parry. But what is your spec? If you are Titan's Grip getting 361 Hitrating is your primary focus. Missing specials means a big loss of DPS. STR and Crit are always good and dont require explenation.

But I can tell you that once you start doing Heroics and Naxx, just keep hitrating capped, all the other stats come on the gear that drops and will provide sufficient amounts of them. I'm partly Heroic geared, some blues, crafted helm and 2H and Demise and T7 chest. Have almost 6500AP raidbuffed with trinket and Imp. Battleshout. Flurry and Windfury push weaponspeed down very nicely.

Grayson Carlyle · 11/30/08, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Vhad

Also 50% uptime seems excessive, the wowhead comments indicates a 1ppm which would be 25% uptime.

*sigh* This is basic uptime mechanics... there have been threads entirely devoted to it. You cannot simply multiply the duration by the chance per second of it going off to get an uptime (1ppm*15s/60s = 25%).

1ppm with a 3.4s swing = 5.67% chance to proc per swing (3.4/60).

However, since (last I read), proc chances are calculated post-haste, it puts your swing closer to 2s in a raid setting, or a 3.33% chance to proc per swing.

If you are soft-hit capped (let's believe it's the old 14% for this example), you are making 12 BT attacks, 6 WW attacks and ~15 HS attacks and 15 melee attacks with your main hand. 12+6+15+(15*0.85) = 45.75 attacks per minute.

Uptime is given by chance to not proc to the power of the number of attacks by length of buff over a given interval:

1-(1-0.03333333)^(45.75*0.25) = 0.321, or ~32% uptime on a 1ppm buff lasting 15s following the optimal Warrior Fury rotation.

If proc-chance is not post-haste, then it's ~49% uptime.

And just to be clear, we're talking about MH mechanics. OH you obviously don't add the BT and WW hits into the equation.

thovader · 12/01/08, 3:18 AM

Hi everyone,

I got two questions concerning glyphs.

1) Do they really offer the effect - including all its side effects and/or consequences - the description claims?
For instance: "Glyph of Devastate" applies with one use two "Sunder Armor" at the same time.
Does that mean that I also get the same amount of threat and deal the same debuff value as if I'd have used "Sunder Armor" twice?
It should but I heard some rumors about that not being the case.

2) Does different glyphs stack 100% with each other?
Example: I have "Glyph of Devastate" and "Glyph of Sunder Armor" and attack a group of two mobs.
I attack the first mob 2 times with "Devastate", which means that it should have the "Sunder Armor" effect 4 times applied to itself.
Does the second mob also suffers from 4 times "Sunder Armor" because of my glyphs?

Thank's already for your help!

Vhad · 12/01/08, 4:09 AM

Originally Posted by Grayson Carlyle

And just to be clear, we're talking about MH mechanics. OH you obviously don't add the BT and WW hits into the equation.

You're right with the non quoted part, I posted in response too quickly.

Are you sure to ignore the WW hits for OH procs though? WW states instant hit with both weapons which would be an extra offhand hit as well unless the mechanics aren't that intuitive.

If WW does work like extra OH swings, a slow 2hander with berserking in OH seems like a clear choise over Massacre.

I did a quick 4 minute test on the dummy in ironforge, mostly to try and figure out how berserking worked and if it could refresh it self. It can indeed refresh and over the 4 minutes I was bashing the dummy I got 11 procs, 5 of them were refreshing the proc already up. This should hint towards ppm scaling with haste, which is quite insane considering with semi decent gear and raid buffed we're going to sport towards 55-60% haste.

LineNoise · 12/01/08, 12:53 PM

Lately I've started playing around with Pawn, which I'm loving, but I've got a small problem. For FuryDPS, there's a spreadsheet, and for Tanking there's a spreadsheet. But since we don't have dual-specs yet, I'm doing most of my grinding and questing as Prot, rather than respeccing Fury and back again. Does anyone out there have some rough SEP values for DPS as Prot? I could just use the values from the Fury sheet, but I'm thinking that there's going to be some significant differences. Mostly in Str vs. AP, since Shield Slam is my biggest damage source, and SS scales amazingly with Str, and not at all with AP.

landsoul · 12/01/08, 3:16 PM

The difference between OH berserking and OH massacre is so abysmal that you shouldn't waste the gold or the armor reduction using it in the offhand.

Trax · 12/02/08, 8:37 AM

What major glyphs are people currently using?

1 I have Mortal Strike, ofc for the 10% extra damage
2 Whirlwind for some more bladestormy aoe goodness
3 Execute because it's just amazing

The issue I had was if it is worth swapping in rending as a arms warrior?

mmaker · 12/02/08, 9:23 AM

Originally Posted by LodeRunner

Please, people. I get 6-9% of my damage from BloodSurge procs on boss fights. In addition to that, an instant Slam can proc Flurry and Deep Wounds. I have a 2 minute Death Wish and 1 spare point I placed in Enrage for that little 2%. Not every boss has extra damage thrown around. I cannot justify a 30% chance on damage received to do 8% more damage for 12 seconds.

On a fight like Patchwerk, Gluth, or Rasuvius I'll be able to have my extra 6-9% damage from Slams and be able to pop Death Wish twice or more while your Enrage translates into wasted talent points. How much uptime does Enrage actually get on today's boss encounters? Sure, Thaddius throws around a chain lightning but it only has a 30% chance to boost your damage, and you really shouldn't be standing in Sapphiron's Blizzard in the first place. Think about it, people. It's not like the fight starts and you suddenly have a guaranteed 10% extra damage the whole time.

But this started me to think about bloodsurge. It only reduces your slam castime to 0 from 1.5 but not rage cost. I mean every time you get bloodsurge you have both ww and bt on cd. And since it no longer reset your swingtime what to you really gain by having lower casttime on slam when there is no other ability to use until ww and bt is up again? Assuming the mob is stationary. What am i missing?

Steveharris · 12/02/08, 9:45 AM

I'd think the obvious answer here would be DPS. What ARE you missing?

mmaker · 12/02/08, 9:48 AM

Originally Posted by Steveharris

I'd think the obvious answer here would be DPS. What ARE you missing?

You missed my point, whats the different doing 1.5 sec slam and 0 sec slam when WW and BT is on cd?

JamesVZ · 12/02/08, 10:08 AM

Slam suspends your auto attack last I checked, which is still a fairly significant portion of your damage.

LodeRunner · 12/02/08, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Trax

What major glyphs are people currently using?

1 I have Mortal Strike, ofc for the 10% extra damage
2 Whirlwind for some more bladestormy aoe goodness
3 Execute because it's just amazing

The issue I had was if it is worth swapping in rending as a arms warrior?

I thought people investigated and found the Whirlwind Glyph did not affect Bladestorm. I could be wrong, but I'd use the Rend one instead of the Whirlwind glyph for an Arms build.

Originally Posted by JamesVZ

Slam suspends your auto attack last I checked, which is still a fairly significant portion of your damage.

Yes. Autoswing/Heroic Strike are my highest sources of damage.

Gorekras · 12/02/08, 11:56 AM

We're starting 25-man Naxx tonight, and I've been out for the holiday, so I missed out on a week of gearing myself, thus I'm still rocking mostly tier 6 gear with a few blue upgrades. My health is decent (20k unbuffed), but my defense is poor - I'm at 453 def rating, which is a good 230 below the cap. Is it worth it to regem like a madman and swap out about 180 stam worth of existing gems for about 200 def worth of [Thick Autumn's Glow]s and an [Eternal Earthsiege Diamond] (which would require a couple of orange def/parry and a green def/stam gem to activate) so I can get myself close to the crit cap? Is the 1800 health (about 2000 after BoK) hit I would take worth it?

Giantshadow · 12/02/08, 12:02 PM

Not sure if this is the best place to ask or if i missed it already but currently Item rack is not allowing the creation of a set for TG and putting a 2h in in offhand. Does anyone know of a similar mod or is there an option i may be missing that allows this within itemrack?