Using mace mainhand and offhand, with dwarf racial, I've sped past the expertise cap (now at 7.25% with no gems). My question is, is it better to drop otherwise well itemised pieces that have expertise on to get below the cap again, or drop the two talent points in Weapon Mastery and put them somewhere else?

To look at it in a more general way (I guess asking my-spec questions isn't helpful to most), should talents like Weapon Mastery and Precision be dropped once gear/gemming removes the absolute requirement to have them, or is it still better to keep the talents and use the points saved on STR, crit, etc. I can't see any really obvious places to put these points for improved dps - Improved Cleave is about the only talent that leaps out.

Well, seeing that most boss mobs (I believe) has more parry than dodge, you may want to think about removing weapon mastery. 7.25% is overdoing a bit, but I see that you still have your T6 belt, so you should plan your stats out based on not having the expertise from that when you replace it.


Anyways, I have my own question. Has anyone figured or calculated the proc rate on our T7/7.5 4 set piece bonus (Your bleeds have a chance to make your abilities cost 5 less rage)?

Cool, glad my intuition actually was right for once. Thanks!

I have a warrior in the guild who is still leveling to 80, but am trying to get him thinking about how he should be performing once we start into Naxx and beyond, especially after seeing his BC performance at 70. My dilemma is he loves to dual wield, and with the new talents, fell in love with Bladestorm, so he's a dual wielding arms spec right now. (Why I keep him around is long and complicated, so we can avoid that discussion altogether right now)

Could anyone provide some mathematical support for my argument about how much he is losing in doing this? Assume heroic level gear, gemmed to hit capped for specials if need be, and a Titansteel Destroyer for the 2h weapon vs comparable one handers or TG with the Destroyer and De-raged axe for comparison. (All he might get until he shapes up)

He loves dual wielding so much, I'm trying to convince him to go the path of TG vs arms, but with enough numbers behind it, I feel I can get a big two hander in his hand for a bladestorm spec.

I'm actually curious if a DW Arms build with 2 axes sitting in 'zerker stance mashing Execute is viable. With enough crit it might work; I don't really know and I'm not sure anyone has a definitive answer for you. I seem to recall Serennia put out a beta video showcasing the viability of DW Axe Arms.

Many people were already doing this at 70 and outperforming everything besides a Warglaive Set/Fury build. Part of the reason was due to the off hand proccing MH Deep Wounds regardless of the speed. After they changed that it still did ok but not nearly as good as before and the build practically reached it's peak at 70 anyway. What could you get for ten more talent points that would really help it as much as what Fury gained within those ten levels? Improved Execute? Serinnia also did his "test" on a lvl 1 dummy where his crit rate was hugely inflated.

On a different note, does anyone else find it strange, or an itemization error in that every single piece of the Valorous Dreadnaught set besides the chest (same strength) raises in hit, crit, strength and expertise over the Heroe's?

I don't think this has been mentioned before, apologise if it has before, but I got berserking today on my MH and I'm obtaining 440 AP from it. 40 of that from improved berserker stance and 400 from the enchant itself. The armor is still going down, however, it seems that Armored to the Teeth is not affected by the proc.

I think people mentioning berzerking enchant should realize that while you only get the buff for 15 seconds the ap loss will be there for 30 seconds. Although since there are 30 seconds a minute (15 seconds after each AttT tick) where if it procs it wont affect your armour at all it would probably even out.

Well is it actually doing that?

We have a report Berserking is giving 440 and not causing the armor loss result in AP loss, does anybody ELSE with the enchant not losing AP via the armor reduction?

During beta Serennia did complain about it being unfair towards Paladins/Warriors/Death Knights, it's possible they made the enchant/armored to the teeth not work with one another.

Tengarez: The dodge rate is 6.5% whether you're standing in front of or behind a mob. If you're in front of a mob, the mob will start to parry you. The parry rate is higher than the dodge rate, so the solution is to gear solely for the dodge and stay behind the mob at all times.

As for stat weights, from best to worst:

STR affects the entire range of your damage, from auto-attacks to bleeds to instant attacks.

AP affects everything as well, but since it does not scale with percentage-based raid buffs, it is inferior to STR. In any case, you will encounter AP on jewelry or on Leather armor (if you so choose to dip into that).

Both critical strike rating and armor penetration cover everything except bleeds, although I'm sure there's a point of inflection where one is better than the other.

Haste is at the bottom of the barrel, since it only increases auto-attack damage.

thovader: Yes, using a Devastate with the Glyph of Devastate will apply two stacks of Sunder Armor on the mob. No, having both the Glyph of Sunder Armor andthe Glyph of Devastate will allow you to apply two stacks of Sunder Armor to your primary Devastate target, but only one stack of Sunder Armor to the second "cleaved" target.

"A report" as in one report or? AttT currently recalculates the AP every 15th and 45th second per minute, is it possible the enchant wasn't up at those two seconds?